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Your argument has a basis, yes, one that is commonly known as the "naturalistic fallacy". I hardly think a logical fallacy is a good basis for an argument, then again, conservatives have always liked them.
And how exactly does it cause my values to be irrelevant to others? Most of the people I know, know what the naturalistic fallacy is, and know why nature can not be used as a basis for values. Not everyone shares your conservative love for logical fallacies...
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haha, sure kid. I'm sure there are a million invented liberal "fallacies" why failure is ok for you.
Well guess what? its not.
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The only argument for it being right would be your naturalistic fallacy. Since that's a logical fallacy, it doesn't hold.
Ofcourse, I realize you consider trees having green leaves morally right, but the rest of us consider it amoral.
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I tell you you can't prove something and you talk about trees. typical.
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Ofcourse pursuing riches never gets in the way of life... people spending too much time at their work to enjoy life and - for instance - spend time with their children is something that never, ever happens. Right?
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Not in my world son.
I think your confused because the "pursuing of riches" that soured you on success was working overtime at the fry-O-lator.
success is so much more than that kid.
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There is a big gap between "surviving" and being what society considers "succesful".
If you believe there is no social pressure, you are either very naive or very stupid.?
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your like an illiterate explaining to a reader why its impossible to read. We're not all socially inept like yourself. For some of us, success comes easy, for people like you it doesn't so you invent your little "values" that say success is bad.
its sad and funny all at once.
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Now, please answer this: do you still say moral and success are not linked?
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no, there is no link. they can co-exist in the same place but are not linked. build your tangent, its irrelevant.
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Not at all. Do you not have children or have you just done a poor job raising them? I shape my children's environment and they choose the role models my environment shapes them to choose.
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So you keep your kids out of school, and away from all their peers? That hardly seems healthy...
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Is this the excuse you get by with for your poor parenting?
"of course my kids are bad, of course they fail, after all, I send them to school and let them have peers."
My kids go to a good school and don't have failures for peers. anything else?
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Interesting choice of words. Why do you consider production so important? Why isn't spending time with your family more important, or doing the things in life that you enjoy? Why does choosing to do that make one a fool?
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why do liberal failures like yourself think success costs you time with your family or or missing out on things you enjoy?
succeed sometime and you'll understand that thats just not so. I believe you'd call it a "liberal fallacy"
So, the silver spoon doesn't give a head start that is of any real influence? Make up your mind already... is the head start important for children or not? If not, why do your children need it[/B][/QUOTE]
I understand your confusion. this is the misunderstanding of the communists as well.
Having achieved, I'll spend the proceeds as I see fit. I choose to spend it on my children. Your inability to achieve and therefore have a choice is YOUR shortcoming, not mine.
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Assuming you entirely evaded the point, I take it you have no other reasons why being rich would be important?
As for wanting to stop people from being rich... where exactly did I say I wanted to do that? Be rich, be poor, I don't care, that's your business. I have more money than I need, I just refuse to let the pursuit of it get in the way of the things I value most in life.
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sure kid. here's a clue. the pursuit of money has never gotten in the way of anything I value. It's sad that whatever small success you've had came a so high a cost.
you simply went about it the wrong way.
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No it isn't. Rich is a measure of success in business, but it isn't in many other fields. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world doesn't revolve around money for everyone.
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well, I'm a business man. you want to be a monk or something else, we'll use a different measure.
The only people that money doesn't revolve for is people without it.:thumbsup
