Dear Depressed,

Perhaps if you spent a little less time drowning yourself in self pity and subjecting the rest of the world to it, you would succeed. Despite of your horrible reputation, a reputable company gave you a chance, the chance you always wanted to prove yourself. Did it cross your mind this person went out on a limb for you and you repay the kindness with these ridiculous pity laden posts?

The fact is that you are completely grateful of the opportunity. You stay up all night drowning in self pity instead of getting some sleep so the next day at work you can actually comprehend the simple tasks that are being requested of you. How can every company that you have worked for have the same opinion and be wrong?

Wanting to leave early the 1st day, coming in late everyday, being a board potato, taking 20 cigarette breaks, being cocky and condescending to the other members of the team isn't going to get you the acceptance you ever so badly desire.

Employees are usually on their best behavior on the first few months. If this is your best behavior, who would want you to stick around so they can see the worst?

You ask, "What exactly got done during the day?" I'm sure that is exactly what they are wondering since 1 1/2 day for 2 bootlegged from another designer skyscraper banners and 1 entire day for an FPA is barely a full day's worth of work.

I hope this post will help enlighten you. Just my :2 cents:

Leslie

My educated guess would be no.

Leslie

[QUOTE]Originally posted by VividLeslie
[B]

Wow leslie...
Ya couldnt ICQ me? Ya didnt know I was stuck in traffic?
Ya didnt know that I performed every thing ya asked and beyond already within my short time?

Quote:

"Dear Depressed, Perhaps if you spent a little less time drowning yourself in self pity and subjecting the rest of the world to it, you would succeed."

I am already a success. I make enough to get by already.
You do not understand this? I like ya guys I really do. But this really has nothing to do with you. Its my thoughts not yours and its not about the crew.

[B][QUOTE]"Despite of your horrible reputation, a reputable company gave you a chance, the chance you always wanted to prove yourself. "[B][QUOTE]"

Your talkin out your ass here...
You know it. More on that later.
This is on the verge of slander...

Quote:

""Did it cross your mind this person went out on a limb for you and you repay the kindness with these ridiculous pity laden posts? "

"

Of course it did.
I like you, I think you do "OK" except ya do not have any understanding whats so ever of technical development or what exactly means work performance vs time.

You should know above everyone here that reporting to offices one time a week (like you do) to the work place really really allows you time to think about what to do without interruption.

Thats what I need as a builder.

"The fact is that you are completely grateful of the opportunity. You stay up all night drowning in self pity instead of getting some sleep so the next day at work you can actually comprehend the simple tasks that are being requested of you. "

Self pitty? Its not self pitty I come here to covort with the natives. I think ya take boards to seriously.

"How can every company that you have worked for have the same opinion and be wrong?"

What the fuck you talking about? Call Ron...
Call any other people...
I work. I do my job. I met dead lines and created positive income...

"Wanting to leave early the 1st day, coming in late everyday, being a board potato, taking 20 cigarette breaks, being cocky and condescending to the other members of the team isn't going to get you the acceptance you ever so badly desire."

Cocky and condecending is the way you take my information?
It is not cocky it is correct. I can explaine the reasons why but I do not think it would be good idea here...

"Employees are usually on their best behavior on the first few months. If this is your best behavior, who would want you to stick around so they can see the worst?"

You want performance? Ya got it.
Ask the people about the ratio's of what I built for them so far. Ya know what... compare it to your best click through average...
Ya will see my work outperforms anything click through wise.
Yes I am that confident.

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"You ask, "What exactly got done during the day?" I'm sure that is exactly what they are wondering since 1 1/2 day for 2 bootlegged from another designer skyscraper banners and 1 entire day for an FPA is barely a full day's worth of work."

I told ya already that I was getting familier with the network and getting oriented. It takes some study to realise development procedures. It takes time to realise what media is fine to utilise and what is not. Hence prolly ya got the best 2 fucking FPA's ya ever seen...
Let me tell you....
Its was only the beginning.

Quote:

"I hope this post will help enlighten you. Just my :2 cents"

Does not enlighten me at all.
Well actually...
It does...

I was not attacking you, I was not attacking the company this is my own outlook and asking about what I should do.

If you have a problem with it then it might be left best that I leave your company. I would never ever come out and openly attack you.
NEVER!

But for some reason you are assaulted by my words here on GFY which really... Had nothing to with where I worked. Ya want a guy that makes things happen or ya want a guy that just takes a check?

Ya want the truth why I left CE?

I left because I felt like I was just taking Ron's money.
His company is tight, it knows what it is doing there is no FUCKING around when it comes to what must be done and how to implement projects.

So there ya have it in a nutshell...
You insult me saying I am miserable and I am not miserable at all and where I find faults I aint afraid to mention them...
Ask ANYONE.

Sure I am negative in some ways I know this but it has served me well and allowed me to scrutinise where improvement can be made.
I was asking for advice and wondering if corporate life befits me. Maybe it does not. Obviosuly it does not when a supervisor decides to come publicly and insult me and my work ethic.

Thanks for helping me make the decision.:thumbsup

For the majority of us, the corporate lifestyle isn't ideal. We're self emplyed for the most part, or we work for companies inside of the non-mainstream industry that don't wish to mimic the rest of corporate America. We've chosen this industry because it allows more freedom and it's easier to advance if you have a strong work ethic. To succeed, you need to be a self motivator.

Corporate America fucks people...Our industry make people want to fuck. See the difference? :Graucho

Wow, now that's drama :uhoh I kinda thought you were talking about mainstream corporate world, in any case good luck, I hope you guys end on amicable terms .. or work it out somehow ..

Ya know...

This really came out of the blue to me...

I had no idea Leslie felt that way.
I have been insulted before but really this takes the cake.

I heard there was some funny stuff going on in here, so i thought I'd take a look. Allow me to rip you a new asshole, sir.

At the top of this thread, you said:
If that is not ripping on a company and their ways of doing things - then I don't know what is.

You spent 30+minutes in a meeting, maybe... once. During our weekly meeting. And, all you contributed was references to GFY.

I'd love to know what you spent 20-40 mins. explaining, seeing as how you needed explanations on how I got a motion blur effect in Flash, you didn't know .fla's were cross-platform, and you sneered condescendingly at me b/c I *gasp* used a Mac to make tours.

It took a lot of personal strength to tell myself (and, management, when they asked) "it's his first week - he'll get better". But, after you brought horizontal text into a flash banner - that you ripped from me (which i don't mind, btw) - and it took you almost twice as long for you to rip as it took me to make from scratch the first time.. it's hard to just let that shit slide.


She's got 7 guys that make things happen. We've been making things happen for quite some time before you came along, and we'll continue to do so loooong after you're gone. We don't all come pre-packaged with an attitude and a lack of knowledge about basic design standards and practices.

Did you, or did you not write a diatribe on here just a few days ago about your depression over never being a "blinger". That, my friend, is being miserable.

And, yes, you are afraid to mention your faults. You made so many false statements in the last few days (and, I mean at work), that you shoulda been a politician.

We all need time to get "familier" (familiar) with networks and what-not. That's never a problem, it's expected. However - employers and co-workers alike also expect your best. If your best means butchering others' work (don't make me bust out that chop-shop job you did on the VC mailer), then... you need to work on your best, and take the cocky attitude down a bit.

As for the best FPAs we've ever seen? Not hardly. You used transparent .gif's throughout most of them, and you used a no-color matte background. That made your image borders very choppy and jagged. That's something most people who don't have their heads up their asses learn in their first few months of designing.

Jim makes the best FPAs I've ever seen. End of story. The best part, though? If he has a problem w/something he's working on - he comes to me and asks me about it. Because I know things he doesn't. Also - I go to him a lot, because he knows a lot I don't know. That's what we call teamwork. Give it a try sometime.

I could really go on and on about your flaws in this argument and many others. I could point out specific examples of when/where you were wrong. I could bury you with your own words.

However, I think you've gotten enough of a beating for a day. I wish you well, good sir. Consider this last week or so to be your first and last week in the class of "How to get your ass fired 101". And, it should be pointed out - you quit - no one fired you. And, we all thank you for not making us have to make the decision. No one likes firing the new guy - so it's better this way.

In the end - it should be known that I tried to be nice to you. I tried to work with you. I might have even tried harder - but, there's a lot of adjustments that I'm not sure you'd have made. Even today - those of us who physically couldn't get into work on account of the overturned gas truck were working from home (as I am right now). Whereas - you never even offered to do so. That's how you get ahead. Going the extra mile. Put that in your depression diatribe next time.

Good luck on future ventures. Let me know when reality calls you back, will ya?


EDIT:
Before you call people backstabbers, know that you're being quite the hypocrite.

I feel like it's backstabbing to pretend you "love" a company - then rip on the work environment, the way they do things, and how little time you spend working in a day -- and then you blame it on the company!

i'm not going to read this...but it sure is one hell of a long post :thumbsup :thumbsup

doesnt fit me either......:)

AlienQ and Vividleslie --

I never thought I would see the day where da' Boss Coach tackles the employee quarterback in a public message board.

I bet nothing was acomplished but role ambiguity and awkwardness looking the both of you for the next work day.

I was reading this thread and I did not take Aliens post as being harmful or misrepresenting of Vivid...he was just generalizing and yamming......not to be taken serious.

Alien is creative, and has always found more cost effective ways of getting things done...that comes from being a self starter for many years.

I would hate to know this little thread which started on a light note is gonna cause a breach between the team of Alien and Leslie.

I think you all need to take this off the boards, allow us to thank you both for the drama and entertainment, and COME TO the realization that everything is gonna be fine in the morning.....

No harm done, and lets keep it this way....

We all know I have alot more to say and alot more of what I want to say but I have held back for now.....

I like Alien and have always admired hsi work, character assasinations are pointless.

Leslie you hired Alien, you all have to learn each others ways and know when to react and when to laugh something off....

So you both got alot of work to do, because there is not question Alien will produce at the office and you will get what you paid for.

Do not judge him from the boards, judge him on performance.

If he fucks up, fire him.

If he pleases you, allow him to spew diatribe, he has done this for years and its all part of his charm :-)))

HANG in their ALIEN, you rock babee :-))

I love waking up whenever I want :thumbsup Working in my shorts is cool too :1orglaugh

All good to leave the bullshit at the office

Not at all, 9-5 sucks

Wow too. I thought it was a mainsteam job where the employer would not even know about this board. Hope all the parties can work it out.

This type of drama I don't like reading on a public message board. :(

revmitcz - Welcome to GFY.

Now about your statements...

I have a very strong work ethic...

FIRST YOU SAY:
"If that is not ripping on a company and their ways of doing things - then I don't know what is."

What company? Yours?
Everyone knows companies have plus and minus to them. I felt as though I couldnt not get anything done...
Sorry my fucking bad!
Maybe cuz the network is actually fucked? HUMM????

Sorry since ya came out and made a voice ,let me clue you in on somthing...
THIS SHIT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
NOR YOUR COMPANY... OK? YOU Came out here and have attacked me out of the fucking blue!

Tear me an new ass you say?

Please... Once again it proves imbecilles should not sit at keyboards.
Let me explaine since you do not have the picture nor do you have any clue why I had to HACK job your work which I admired...

Ya say...

"I'd love to know what you spent 20-40 mins. explaining, seeing as how you needed explanations on how I got a motion blur effect in Flash, you didn't know .fla's were cross-platform, and you sneered condescendingly at me b/c I *gasp* used a Mac to make tours."

I dint know FLA files were cross platform big fucking deal...
I never seen a fucking MAC used for web development really just video work...

Motion blur? Oh I didnt know how ya got that?
Please... Go and and start making shit up. It was a simple sprite trick...
Just like the over all banner is.

Now to the reasons why I hack jobbed it...

1: Because it looked fine enough and there was a "LOok" campaign goin on with it. Meaning if I were to start from scratch it would detour from the ad campaign theme.
Ya think Marketing wants that to happen?
Fuck no. IDIOT.

2: I was asked to make this banner and have it done 45 minutes before leaving work so the shit can hit the boards! Sorry you were so over encumbered with work that ya could not do it your self. The shit only took 30 minutes to adjust for 2 different sizes and adjust the the sprites and instances!

Now your other thing bud...

"She's got 7 guys that make things happen. We've been making things happen for quite some time before you came along, and we'll continue to do so loooong after you're gone. We don't all come pre-packaged with an attitude and a lack of knowledge about basic design standards and practices."


Lack of knowledge? Read above information and below as to why you will fail in the long run.
You can not see big pictures.

Lets move on to this FPA thing shall we...

This FPA ued transparent GIF's indeed the funny looking lines is intended anti aliasing to make the FPA flexible...
Meaning that the FPA is not only capable of going out in a mailer it will be capable of going out in a fucken working web page to! How ya ask?

Let me explaine.
In Mailer ya not gonna be able to get away with Style sheets. Your wont control the link color, ya cant use really a background image in the dsign. SO dipshit...

What I did was make a concept that was flexible by all means. You can take that fucking FPA and use it for any fucking NICHE you want. YOU CAN PUT any content into it without being constrained to lack of versatility...
Yup...
I did that shit like hella fast and hella optimised why the bitch was less then 100k, and could be reduced depending on content to a mere 50K! WOW! A mailer FpA and a HTML page design that flexed for 2 uses!

Imagine that EFFICENCY! OMG!
How the fuck dare I make somthing that takes design to a new level!

YOU GO ON AND SAY:
"Jim makes the best FPAs I've ever seen. End of story. The best part, though? If he has a problem w/something he's working on - he comes to me and asks me about it. Because I know things he doesn't. Also - I go to him a lot, because he knows a lot I don't know. That's what we call teamwork. Give it a try sometime."

You have no clue what a team player is..,
Hence why I was asking about thingsotherwise you wouldnt say such things...
I Do hope ya see that playing for the team versus a weakness. Of course your supposed to ask if ya do not know...
ESPECIALLY concerning design! Why ya think I was asking ya some things?
Sorry I bothered your stupid ass...
I mean I was only the new guy on the team and all...

NOW YOU SAY:

"Did you, or did you not write a diatribe on here just a few days ago about your depression over never being a "blinger". That, my friend, is being miserable."

Why yes I did...
Did it bother you? Did affect the way you work? Oh wait... Let me think about this more... The only guy to even mentioned a sense of understanding or carring is Hustler DJ. I told em whats up he understood. Why can't you? I was not asking for compassion from any of you... But hey now I know ya read it and well now I what sort of people I was dealing with.


THEN YOU SAY:
"And, yes, you are afraid to mention your faults. You made so many false statements in the last few days (and, I mean at work), that you shoulda been a politician.""

Are you aluding to the fact that I sited several things that are an epidemic or you just reaching for straws here bud?
False statments like wut? You go for it... Do not go taking it out of context either cuz I will get down to the draw of the situation.

I would say you are reaching for straws because the things I sited are PROBLEMATIC and are going to bite you guys in the fucking ass and you KNOW it! Sure ya can aford to fix it, long after I am gone but thats not the point. The point is making money not waiting for the bite that is inevitable in expenses.

But oh wait... You dont really care that its not going to cost you money... Its gonna cost other people money and remember every hour is money on the net bro... EVERY FUCKING HOUR.

How to get fired 101? You guys are the ones that decided to take this shit to the boards... was not me. I didnt ask for this.

Be sure to ask HR about my messages.
Be sure to ask Leslie why she didnt answer my ICQ's today about working from home due to the fucking 101 snarl ehh? I even got pictures of the shit to show ya if you ever interested.

trsut that I am your friend. I trust that you came here beause you were asked to defend...

Pull your head out your ass and think for a minute. I came in with new idea's. I came in with things in mind to make things more efficient. I was already begiining to demonstrate that and yet ya come out on a board and ridicule me for it.

Oh wait...
I think what I said my have been things that were a threat to your own corporate livelihood. What I had in mind as to make things more efficent but seldom do dedicated workers actually think about such things.

You leave me no choice but to sit here and defend myself from your slanderous words...

You have hurt my reputation as a professional.

Yeah Alien really attacked your company there... how dare he! Leslie you've made yourself look like one incredible fool in this thread... if you have any position of authority in your company, I certainly hope the higher ups are smart enough to show you the door quickly... unbelievable level of unprofessionalism you have shown here. Supposed management attacking an employee on a public board because of a general statement and applying it to his work situation. Unreal.

Alien's always been a stand up guy in this industry also for what it's worth.

Thanks Sword.

When you work for a company, you are a representative of that company; meaning that when you go forth in a public forum you need to be careful about how you represent yourself. If you have issues internal to your organization, you should deal with them at that level......not come out and share your perspective of their innerworkings with the public. I don't know you or understand what your intentions truly were. That is not for me to judge. I am just putting in my :2 cents:

When you work for yourself, that is a different issue. You can do and be anyway you like.

good luck with that

only if i'm a bad girl cause pantyhose aren't my style

AlienQ, like I said I thought you were talking about a mainstream job and your employer would not read it. However, you phrased a generic opinion where your employer knows you post and didn?t describe the work atmosphere in a productive way.

I am not sure what I would do in a situation like this, but I do know I wouldn?t want someone to bring it on the boards.

"When you work for a company, you are a representative of that company; meaning that when you go forth in a public forum you need to be careful about how you represent yourself. "

I make no public representations for companies. I was rather straight up about that during the interview process. I did not want press releases I didint want fan fair...

I do not sell my sig...
I rep myself only as a board guy when I post. Fuck I even give free advice publicly but I do not brand it with a company.

What we have here today is an outright misguided attack on how I operate.

You missed the point or I did. Were you an employee?

sorry this turned into a war. I just wanted to say my piece, since I felt attacked by your "best fucking FPA ever" comment.

you dig?
we cool?

sleep well.
good luck in the future, hope all goes well w/you.
And, yes, I mean that sincerely.

Let this thread die...

We all lost.
It was not supposed to go the way it did at all. Emm a horrible experiment gone wrong is the best way to describe it.

Your good people.

I talk alot on the boards and I have said it before, boards are at best used for a side pocket to make things happen anything else is kinda bullshit.

There are aims in what I post about though sometimes and they take a while to get wha I am looking for out of them...
But take notice man on how I was doing this dance...
This is what I was doing...

I have been trolling and looking for webmasters that DO NOT work in corporations and looking for shots to make things happen with those individuals that do not generally touch up on large corporate companies but run good business. Would I come out and just say it? Hell no. Ya goto fish em out and see what they say then land contact.

I was attempting to tap into those minds a little so that maybe thier mind set might open and try an affiliate program that is composed of people just like them but work for a large company behind the scenes.
Big guys play hard to and work just as hard as the smaller ones I wanted to break that mindset and in the middle of this dance without any warning I get crushed, terminated and ridiculed.

I am not easy to understand I admit that...
I get bummed out sometimes, sometimes I make it a topic...
Just to have conversations that can be fun.
But most importantly I barred myself from doing any repping publicly and for VERY GOOD FUCKIN REASONS...

Ya can ask people how I have hit side pockets for em...
Its happened recently and has happened MANY times before.

Infact this very thread just might get ya more affiliates, its a very good read I think...

Thanks for showing the humanity in us all.
Make no mistake I had high respects for you guys over there I guess I just didnt fit in and I am OK with that.

Take care of your self bro:) I mean it.

And on this note...

This is the very last post from the ALIENQ handle...
If ya not followed my recent actions I contemplated removing this handle last night and going to a new one since some of you over there were figuring out who I am walkin in your building.

no, you're not a bad guy. We all have different
opinions on certain matter.

I agree with most of this....EXCEPT....

The main reason that I can't stand working for others is because I got tired of having to supress my opinions as expected by the various companies. You are there to do a job and they expect you to do it their way with no questions asked.

It does not matter if you can offer them a way to build a bigger and better mousetrap. They leave that up to the supervisors to brain storm those ideas and the sups are not the people who deal with this shit on the front lines every day.

I respect Leslie but it blows me away that she, as a "supervisor" of the not even mentioned company, would come to a public forum and attack the employee. If it was her own company and that is how she wanted to handle things then more power to her.....But Leslie does not own Vivid....as far as I know. :glugglug

Like I replied to Alien right after he started this thread:

"This is not a good sign."

It doesn't make you a bad guy, but it doesn't make you a good guy or a cool guy either. It's your life, live it how you want to live it. If you can live with a 9-5 dont do it, but dont go bitching when you cant buy want you need or want to buy.

I dont think it has anything to do with work ethic, it could have to do with a problem with autority, or somethin else.

In all actuality this is a case of, "It just did not work out" and its not up to us to dissect the why's. Everyone has the right to speak their mind, and I have yet to not see ramifications for doing so.

This issue is between AlienQ and Leslie, and if they work it out, thats great and if they do not, there is nothing odd about admitting incompatibilities for what ever reason exists.

I would chalk this up to creative indifferences, and hope they part friends and family.

Alien established himself years ago in the design world and has done well.

Leslie has established herself as a chica' with brains and has done consulting work for BabeNet, the former company known as CyberErotica, and is in management with VIVID which was probably the first video comany you jacked off too :-)))

Sometimes the best of skill talent is not compatible with a certain team build, it happens all the time in the corporate world.

The words were spoken well above when it was basically stated when you join a particular organization it is implied you do it according to their protocol.....that is correct. If you cannot, it will not work out.....

It does not mean either party is a failure, all it means is it was not a match made in heaven, and the relationship ends hopefully on a positive note.

If one flavor met all criteria in the world of business, 31 flavors would have never been appealing as ice cream.

AlienQ is delictable designer but not the flavor Leslie had hoped for. Does not make AlienQ a bad choice of taste, it just means Leslie remains on the hunt currently for a more palletable choice.

If I had to relate myself to a flavor, I would probably say I am a cross between dill pickle and Godiva :-))