jayeff:

Yup!! ZMaster is a prime example!!

For those who "gave in" to VISA US and opened their legs by submitting a load of info to VISA for "recognition" - this simply enables the DOJ to sit at a computer and press buttons to print obscenity indictments off without having to leave the office.

They can have access to all website financial information, membership lists, card numbers and addresses to send the paperwork to. Makes life simple and sweet for a prosecutor! :-)

7 years? wtf This is gotta be the second dumbest bill ever.
Right after DWARF TOSSING bill
http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on4/b097_e.htm

don't mean shit
all anyone has to do is find out who is paying the hosting bill for that domain, and you have them.

just wanted to see how long this bullshit would go on.

sumphatpimp:

Who pays a hosting bill is not "evidence" of copyright violation but probably leads em up the right garden path if this is within the US.

But hell.. it won't be long when it's a "felony" to type your name wrong on a WHOIS. BTW.. did you know it is also a "felony" to lie to the USPS? Bollocks!! :winkwink:

Webby... this law is just an attempt to restructure the exisiting law/s into a more workable unit. The way they are written, the net is very vague if its mentioned at all.

On the 7yrs? Hmmm, there is no way to explain it to y'all simply... When I worked for a VERY large Union, they had me all over the country for training. Two of the main places were Washington DC and their HUGE training center in Maryland...

A large part of that training was reading historical as well as current bills and their passage-movements thru the government. The 7 years is a wishful thinking number of one of the sponsors of the bill and is no more than a 'placeholder'. As the bill is refined such things will get changed. Most change quite a few times.

After several hundred hours of reading this sort of thing (yeah I got PAID for it and paid VERY well I might add lol) I had at least a very basic understanding of what is a very complicated set of procedures they go thru. (Actually I refer to them as nightmares since they seemed to have seriously OVER complicated things in the last 40-50 yrs with no real justification to do so)

I've used all the real information on my domains for 5 years without any problems - but then I'm not trying to pull of any scams or hide who I am or what I'm doing.

Like you have to have a physical address to get a post office box. No big deal unless you're trying to scam people or break the law.

I can't think of anything else you have to register that you can use Mickey Mouse in Ozzieland for a name and get away with it.

So - since it's meant to help curb that sort of shit - which hurts the industry anyway, I'm all for it.

Gemini:

Sure! Understand! The problem with a proliferation of laws is they are then open to abuse (as many have been). They are used by some bright, but "ambitious" people to further their own ends - and also by governments of the day with a popular political agenda.

I seriously doubt the majority of folks in GFY have sat in court defending obscenity indictments. They are not that easy to defend especially on what is currently shown on the net. It does not necessarily mean what is "obscene" to you or I is the "norm".

The more information given to any "authorities" about the inner workings/financial data of, for example, adult websites, simply "enables" the possible "abuse" by others. (Assuming this is something that should not be stamped on anyway - whoever decides that? *s*)

I think I'd have a serious problem if I was in the adult biz within the US. One simple case.... a video distributor in California sold, at the "encouragement" of USPS officials, to send tapes to Utah, ended up with their biz pulled apart and "confiscated" (I'm talking many millions), and the owner thrown in jail for a fair term. We are not talking snuff movies etc - "normal" porn.

I understand the "angle" used to capture the guy in the video case is still in force at this time and probably a nice way to handle net prosecutions. (It relates more to the transmission of material by cable over state lines tho).

The adult biz is too popular for prosecutors who wish to play politics :-) Very little has happened relating to prosecutions in the adult biz for years. These things come in cycles and I know of several "adult" attorneys who are awaiting the day. I have little doubt if and when they do strike - it may probably be "en masse" and designed to put the shit up a lot of webmasters who have no clue that they committed these "grave" acts :-)

We have deliberately chosen and operate from a country where this problem does not exist. The rule is "obey the laws of the country where you stay". I've seen a good few folks end up in a jail cell for what was, in fact, *very* little, but "points of law" and in some instances, blatant lying by the odd investigator.

Gemini:

*g* Just an odd comment for a US attorney specializing in the adult biz. His "opinion" for what it's worth is... show a girl giving a blowjob and the guy with his hand on her head - he's got a problem with that on the basis it *may* be forced :-)

Hell.. I doubt this is "uncommon" on material all over the net - tis too easy! :-)

Gemini: since when has the designed purpose of a law stopped the US government from using it to whatever means it will work for? how many "terroists" have actually been arrested under the patriot act ?

and all you canadians: don't they have "political persecution" immigration laws in canada ? wonder how many people will be fleeing the US in years to come ...

berg.the.red:

Mmm... it's started already as far as I can see! We have seven US families buying land from us to "escape". Some for "simpler" reasons.. ie.. just to bring their children up in a better environment etc, but the majority are aware of the problems.

7 years, is this a fucking joke?

I can never see them justifying this penalty.

Move to israel
no one will bust you here

Biggy:

:) Well.. I think ya still get six (?) years for smoking pot in Texas and Florida?? Sounds like seven for committing a "grave" offence is on par!

It may be as Gemini says.. subject to 'refinement', but I'm not relying on that! :glugglug

Pretty much in line with their other bill that just passed House subcommittee that allows for 3 years for sharing songs online.