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ADL Colin 05-10-2004 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by JOKEREMPIRE
Definition: [n] understanding and entering into another's feelings

Ok,if it's such an usefull concept.

Then describe me how a soldier feels that is in this war.

Tell me his reaction,tell me how he changes.

Make me believe your theory :winkwink:

Looking forward to hear what you have to say.


Thanx,
Steve

It should be pretty clear to anyone that some of the pictures we've seen are violations of US law, US military law and
international law. The only experience anyone needs to know that is literacy.

Defending soldiers who commit such acts is paramount to defending murderers because they were abused as children. We shouldn't dismiss criminals because of their poor childhood.

They are all subject to the rule of law.

As far as your question, there are hundreds of thousands of soldiers and ex-soldiers who have a whole range of feelings about this or any other war. There are hundreds of thousands of soldiers who haven't committed these acts.

One implication of what you are saying is that only a murderer could understand what it's like to kill someone and therefore only they are "in a position" to discuss it.

What are you advocating? That only a criminal should be able to decide his or her fate because only they understand what it's like to be in their position? Should a jury of "peers" be a jury of rapists, murders, or thieves depending on the circumstances?

Raf1 05-10-2004 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
Americans were outraged when US soldiers were "humiliated" by being shown as captives on TV. That was nothing compared to this.

There's no debate. These are grave violations of international law and the soldiers responsible should be tried as war criminals.

Exactly

mryellow 05-10-2004 08:29 AM

http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=82

January?

Try June last year.

You should be seeing this in the press over the next few days.

-Ben

ADL Colin 05-10-2004 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lane
Isn't the whole war against the convention anyway?
I don't think so.

The conventions were expressly written to apply even in such situations as when war is not recognized by both parties or if there is no armed resistance. It also is applicable in situations when war is not declared.

ADL Colin 05-10-2004 08:43 AM

Joker,

If none of us were interested in, commented on or thought about things which we didn't have personal experience in wouldn't that keep us all ignorant?

What is education?

I mean, not many of us here have a degree in biology but most of us have read something about, for example, evolution and have an opinion about it.

Lane 05-10-2004 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
I don't think so.

The conventions were expressly written to apply even in such situations as when war is not recognized by both parties or if there is no armed resistance. It also is applicable in situations when war is not declared.

invasion without permission of UN is not against the convention?

ADL Colin 05-10-2004 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Lane
invasion without permission of UN is not against the convention?
I don't believe anything like that exists in any of the conventions which the US signed. Am I wrong?

Fletch XXX 05-10-2004 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by ajpiii
you never know... there will be some harsh sentances Im sure.
you people are funny.

You think this is the first time?

"NAHA, Okinawa (CNN) -- Three U.S. servicemen were convicted Thursday in the kidnapping and rape of a 12-year-old Okinawa girl and sentenced to up to seven years in a Japanese prison.

The sentence was lighter than expected; prosecutors had urged the judges to return 10-year sentences against all three, arguing that the girl was kidnapped, beaten, brutally raped, and then abandoned."

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9603/okinawa_rape/

soldiers rape and kill, thats what they do.

These guys didnt even get a decade in jail for brutally beating, gang raping, and abandoning a helopless 12 year old girl.

If you think these people making Iraqis pose in Gay Porn will get anything worst you and all that think this are mistaken.

baddog 05-10-2004 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Colin
.. should be brought out back and shot.
shot? right.

baddog 05-10-2004 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Colin

These are grave violations of international law and the soldiers responsible should be tried as war criminals.

and shot? I used to think you were pretty intelligent until 5 minutes ago. :(


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