You keep quoting the subway, the problem with that attack was delivery, if they had aerosolized the sarin many, many more people would have been dead, instead they used sarin in plastic bags filled with air, they punctured. jeez.

Everyone's a threat. Your mom's a fucking threat, you tool. Do you know how many countries are bigger, and thousands of times more powerful than itty bitty Iraq? Do some research before you spew your nonsense.

We're not concerned about anyone being a threat, obviously. And we're also not concerned about "liberating the people" because if we did we'd take out the Tutsis of Africa because the violence there is definitely worse than that of Iraq.

Ironically though, the Tutsis don't have oil. :2 cents:

what would you consider a proper amount to justify war? how many people should it be able to kill before the us takes action to protect us?

Remember though in Japan it was a weak strain of sarin in liquid form. The maker produced it quickly and the bags left on the train were only punctured allowing quick control. A more potent aerosol strain would be very different.

Regardless Saddam was probably making this shit to use on his own people. I doubt he was an immediate threat to the US with it.

Only problem is Iraq never attacked America :helpme

i think maybe finding it the 1st year we were there would have been good, i also think had we found WMD before we actually captured the tyrannical leader in question that would have sufficed as well, but since it's what? now 6 months after we catch saddam and lost a thousand or so more troops, we've taken 2 steps back in reaching our goals set for iraq and we've had a civilian beheaded for the world to see.

I think it's a little late to justify ANYTHING in iraq, especially since we haven't accomplished the original goal of capturing Osama

I really don't think it would take hundreds of thousands of tons of Sarin and Mustard gas 2 do a little damage.:Graucho

I swear some of you people, would take it out and play with it if you had one, a brain.

so thats the standard? we have to wait until american civilians die before we take action?

If the wind blew a different way that day in Japan it would of been far worse.

Look at this violence. Look at this killing! Why aren't we here too??

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr...ab=wn&q=tutsis

But America attacked Iraq because Bush convinced the people that Saddam had weapons of "Mass destruction" and had the power to use them on American soil. In terms of "Mass destruction" people think of "Nukes".

Unless Sadamn had missiles and warheads packed with tons of mustard gas or sarin that could reach the US. I hardly call him a threat to America, only to his own people and countries around him.

Weapons of
Mass
Deception

bush has an agenda and it has nothing to do with WMD's

I found some sarin in my butt

Have the United Nations ever sent peacekeeping operations there?

good point
although i dont think we've taken steps back, i just think our forces just werent trained to play the roll of police. also, finding the weapons now, a year ago, or a year from now isnt the point. he had them at one point and used them(for sure), wanted them and had the money to get them. thinking there was no chance he had any or could get any is just ignorant.

Only an idiot equates "weapons of mass destruction" as being only Nuclear weapons btw. the whole world has been told what the United Nations turned up in Iraq pre-war, and what the United States were looking for in Iraq.

Read carefully

"Unless Sadamn had missiles and warheads packed with tons of mustard gas or sarin that could reach the US. I hardly call him a threat to America"

That is the problem I have with this entire mess. As I mentioned earlier I think Bush rushed into this way to fast. He himself said it would be a long road that would take many years. He was questioned as to an exit plan. No concrete answer was ever given.

Why weren't the soldiers trained to play the role of police? He knew we were going to be there a while. He knew we were going in with just Blair firmly on our side. Where is the peace keeping forces. He rushed in and its a fucking mess now.

I wonder why we pay all these analysts all across the world for intelligence, right here on GFY someone declared Iraq not a threat, well let's all pack up and go home.

Are missiles and warheads the only delivery mechanism for Chemical/Biological weapons? and do they all have to be able to reach the United States from Iraq?

The ceasefire should have ended the minute Saddam broke his ceasfire deal. 9/11 or no 9/11.

Well, Bush told everyone that Iraq was a threat to America. This is why the war started...........

You didn't answer the question(s)?

Missiles would be the only choice if you wanted something massive. If Saddam wanted to cause harm in more primitive means, he would have done it a long time ago.

lol, no, you're right, this solves it. They found one old harmless shell with sarin gas in it that didn't hurt anyone. That means Bush didn't lie about the WMD stockpiles. The war was justified after all.

I can't even begin to understand how simple someone's mind must be, for them to be able to convince themselves of bullshit like this.

i didnt say 1 round makes the war justified. my point was if they find 1 round or 5000, it wont be enough for some people.

Are you simple minded enough to think that is the only one?

primitive means? missiles and rockets are not the only deliverable mechanism(s) and none of the others are primitive either.

Aerosolized spray delivered from planes, delivery from conventionall arms (mortar, rockets, artillary shells, bombs) nerve agents can kill in undetectable doses, aerosolized delivery by any means in a city, or otherwise crowded area would lead to high death tolls, it's highly unlikely Saddam Hussein would have used any of them to attack the United States directly, however his support of terrorist organizations like Hamas and his possession of such weapons and attempts to hide them does make you wonder what he did intend them for.

When he quoted a "harmless" shell with "sarin gas in it" I had to laugh.

Actually, no, that's a typical right wing cop-out. The stockpiles Bush quoted in his state of the union address would do everyone just fine. I believe it was 25,000 litres of Anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents, several mobile biological weapons labs, and an advanced nuclear weapons development program. If that fucker pulls anything resembling that kind of a threat out of a hole in the sand then this war argument will turn in debate. Until then Bush is a lying war criminal and anyone who continues to support him and make excuses for him is a fool, period.

If he wanted to, he would have done it a long time ago. :2 cents:

yeah, no one's laughing when you guys call an old bomb that injured no one a weapon of mass destruction. When it went off, did it produce the mushroom cloud Bush was nice enough to warn us about?

convienient it took them this long.. till bush started losing in the polls when they found something, I dont buy it

That's rather funny numbers are you sure? I saw the United Nations only estimated 150-200 metric tonnes of Sarin, 2,245 gallons of Antharax (United Nations estimated three times that amount) 5,125 gallons of botulinum toxin (United Nations estimated twice that amount)
Even the United Nations disputed that he had destroyed all of his stuff.

Please. don't fart :Graucho

They found one 20 years old artillery shell.
It has been dated back to Iraq-Iran war

I almost thought you said Saddam would post a thread on GFY :Graucho

If there's really 550 mustard gas shells out there, why the hell did they just use one? And why did it take so long for them to use it? Did some terrorist trip over it while walking in the desert and decided to use it? :helpme

When was date ( FYI, a date ?)