50 Canadians voting

50 canadian all voting liberal

51 :1orglaugh

most of this is nothing more than bullshit. canada is made up of a variety of different people with different cultures. quebec should embrace not only being a quebecker, but also being canadian.

leaving canada doesn't solve problems. governments are not efficient, it doesn't matter where you live.

fact is, the grass may look greener across the street, but once you cross the street you may find out it actually isn't greener than where you left.

Very good point.

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This party got my vote :rasta

this party will not doing anything better than any other party on this point, except conservatism cause there against it

We're different in what? Because we also speak french and we have different views on some subjects? That's crazy. Do you also think that Southerners in the US should create there own country? Afterall they're quite different. What's next? Immigrants who come to Canada should create there own country because they don't have the exact same values? I mean seriously.

Life is not about having it your way and only caring about yourself.

SC will get it this year:2 cents:

If you don't want the conservative party to win, you better vote Liberal. We really don't want people who compare abortion to Nick Berg's beheading to be running our country.

What I dont understand about the bloc is how can they defend the interests of Quebec if they have limited seats in the house of commons. They wont even be in the opposition, just a few dudes complaining and noone is listening or caring Thats whats I dont get. What have they done thats significant? Can someone tell me, because I dont know.

Im still wondering if I'll vote for NPD or Liberals. Im afraid conservatives will turn into another Bush. The last conservative party we had put the country into a huge deficit and the Liberals had to clean shit up.

What are you fucking Crazy......... Liberals ??? Your other choice is not much better eighter :1orglaugh

If any province should seperate it's Ontario. We would be rocking if we didn't have to carry all that dead weight around. We'll invite Alberta and B.C. along for the party. The rest of the provinces can create their own welfare country and speak whatever language they like :)

Seriously though, this election will be interesting. The Conservatives are gaining a lot of ground which I didn't think was possible. I'm not sure who I'll vote for. I was going to vote Liberal, but McGuinty really pissed me off and Martin's guilty by association. Harper looks like he's into bukkake, and I will never vote NDP. So what else is there?

Hahah, sorry pal... Ontario's still racking up debt as well ;-) And also has large equalization payments it receives... Alberta's one of the only provinces making a bunch of money ;)
Alberta, one of the territories, and Saskatchewan...
Of course, the premier of Alberta is a damn idiot.. and mentioned separating at one point.. heheh.. 51st state....

you got that fuckin right!.. they need to actually move the hole government away from frog land ottawa then things would be better off in the long run. look what happened to the jobs and population in montreal and the big corps ran away it;s just a deadend now.. it was thriving years ago good clubs/bands all but gone mostly..:(

there's really know one out there to do a better job than Paul Martin.. :winkwink:

uh llama, last time I went to Toronto, it was 12 degree versus -10 in quebec. Get a clue.

Canada leech and keep.

European Union style is better to me. I never heard of an european country hating another one. But they are all independant though.

uhhhh.. what??? you saying that the roads are bad just cause it gets colder in QC??
hahah

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You must be talking about Regina. Montreal has never been so alive and economically healthy.

Le bloc colisse:2 cents:

the fact is that all parties are paid off by big business in order to manipulate their agenda's.

Lib/pc/ndp/block - no matter who gets in power, the organizations set up under them are still going to remain the same. NO one is going to get fired in health care or LCBO / hydro - so its merely a surface change.

Oil companies OPEC run our prices - if the government would use our own oil then our prices would drop, but we cant.

so far, the only party that isnt affected by this is the green party because no one has bothered to buy them off.

face it kids - no matter who we vote for nothing is going to change - the people who run this country are not a political party - rather have large check books

100% for it
i dont want to separate from Canada because i hate people from BC or Ontario or whatever... but fact is we have different point of view on a lot of subject just look about decriminalisation of marijuana, in Quebec, a large % of the population is for it, not the case in Alberta by exemple, in a sovereign Quebec, it would allready be done, but cause this is a federal law, we cant :P
The only people i hate are stupid racists calling us "frogs" :321GFY

so we should just break off into different countries?

atlantic canada, quebec, ontario, alberta, prairies and bc?

yep, but i think maybe put alberta manitoba and saskatchewan together, so we could all make our laws to fit our difference and still be a strong economy together :2 cents:

ahah you are a stupid sheep.. a tool... you had to go search on the web for reasons why Quebec should seperate.. The PQ made a nice list of bogus reasons so sheep like you can know why you are actually a seperatist... Cant you find reasons by yourself? Now you coming with decriminalisation of pot? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Its something the federal governement is working on right now.. and other provinces support it.. Get a clue :2 cents:

a broken up canada won't be stronger...

alberta and bc are too resource dependant imo.

weed and some other soft drugs should be legal and sold by the government. the revenue thats lost in the black market is huge. why alberta is so right wing i'll never know. but even in a small region there are people who don't agree, should they all seperate as well? should we split ontario into two countries, those who agree to legalizing weed and those that don't. then make more countries based on different views?

instead of bickering about bs, look for solutions for the future. so much was wasted on quebec seperation. if those energies were put into managing the province, quebec would be better off today. but politicians there were so hell bent on seperating they didn't address the real issues, then instead of admitting their incompetence, they blame being canadian for their problems.

Nah.. It won't be stronger at all..
As I've mentioned multiple times before, Alberta is the ONLY province bringining in strong revenue...
2 other provinces bring in a LITTLE more than they spend...

and the rest of the provinces, even with equalization payments (coming from the 3 profitable provinces), still aquire debt....

Ontario and Quebec both rack up HUGE debt... Ontario is better though..
(I believe provincial debt averaged per capita is under $2000 for Ontario, and over $12,000 for Quebec..)

Long story short, Eastern Canada would be a hell hole or poverty, and Western Canada would be a new Oasis....
except maybe BC... but they'd all be too high to notice ;-)

Quebec isn't trying to get out anymore? ;-)

:Graucho

Paul Martin is my neigbour ( Easton Township cottage) . I met him and he is a nice person. He is a very capitalist person.

PRESS RELEASE

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Separation Party of Alberta offers it's support to the Western Independence
Party of Saskatchewan .

MELVILLE, SK.

A new force has burst on to the Saskatchewan political scene , one which
promises to finally put an end to that province's estrangement from the
federal government and alienation from the rest of the Confederation. The
Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan (WIP), who believe the welfare
of the people of Saskatchewan would be best served in an Independent Western
Canada, gained official party status only weeks prior to the 2003
Saskatchewan provincial election. As a follow up to their successful
registration drive and election campaign, the WIP held their inaugural
convention from March 12th to the 14th in Melville, a community of 4,500
people east of Regina.

The theme of the Western Independence Party's inaugural convention was
"Share The Vision". In the spirit of this pan-western theme, members of
the executive committee of the Separation Party of Alberta (SPA), which
promotes the secession of the province of Alberta from the Canadian
Confederation, were in attendance to lend their support.

In a show of solidarity between independence-minded residents of Alberta
and Saskatchewan, Bruce Hutton, interim leader of the Separation Party of
Alberta was invited to address the gathering of western separatists,
lending his movement's support to their endeavors.

"We are separate entities with a common goal. We both want to do what is in
the best interest of the people of our respective provinces," stated
Hutton. "We are natural allies against the ongoing economic plundering of the
west perpetrated by Ottawa and Central Canada. We will form strategic
alliances to assist one another to attain our goals."

Former Grande Prairie, Alberta mayor and SPA executive Al Romanchuk
feels the Western Independence Party is a positive force for achieving economic and democratic reform for the people of Saskatchewan.

"For countless years we have pleaded to be let in as equal partners in
Confederation. Our pleas have gone unanswered. We are out and now we
want to stay out. We applaud the capable leadership of Bruce Ritter and
all the members of the Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan and pledge
our unequivocal support."

This meeting occurs as support for both movements is on the rise. The
Separation Party of Alberta, having concluded a series of very successful
town hall meetings across the province of Alberta, has experienced a
groundswell of support amongst Albertans from all walks of life. The
support for a movement that puts Albertans first has been overwhelming, and
this bodes well for the SPA as they move one step closer towards gaining
official party status.

Meanwhile in Saskatchewan, recent surveys have shown that the residents of
Saskatchewan are among the most dissatisfied in Confederation. The most
recent poll on the subject by Ekos research indicated that twenty-three per
cent of Saskatchewanians "would not be too concerned if their province
joined the United States". This is certainly not a vote of confidence in
Confederation from one in four people in the province.
A confident and well-organized Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan
will no doubt put the people of Saskatchewan on the right track towards
independence.


Donna Ferolie
President
Separation Party of Alberta
http://www.separationalberta.com

:Graucho

http://www.separationalberta.com/whyseparation.asp

Why Separation?

A better question would be ?Why stay??

For almost 100 years, Alberta and the West have been trying to become real members of Canada and true, equal partners in Confederation. These efforts have proved fruitless. It is time to move forward and protect Alberta?s future. It is time to stop the financial and emotional drain caused by an incompetent, unresponsive political and bureaucratic nightmare called ?Ottawa?.


Economic Cost of Federation for Alberta, 1961 ? Present

Alberta has, on a per capita basis, been Ottawa?s largest single contributor. For example, between 1961 and 1992, Alberta paid $139 billion more to Ottawa than it received back from Ottawa. That is what it cost Albertans to be Canadian. *

And where did the money go? During that time frame, the province of Quebec, despite its large population and vibrant economy, was a net recipient of over $ 168 billion from Ottawa. Alberta was paying Quebec to be Canadian. *

* Source: Dr. Robert Mansell and Ronald Schlenker, ?The Provincial Distribution of Federal Fiscal Balances,? Canadian Business Economics 3:2 (Winter, 1995), 3-21

There are two net contributors to Ottawa; - Alberta and Ontario. The difference is that Ontario gets a return on investment. They have a diversified economy with end use manufacturing. They also have a strong voice in federal policy. The Kyoto Accord would have adversely affected Alberta and Ontario, however, Ottawa exempted the Ontario Auto Industry from the Accord.

Alberta?s Cost 1997 ? 2003**
In Billions Canadian Dollars $ 54.933
1997: $ 5.668
1999: $ 6.130
2001: $ 8.568
1998: $ 6.279
2000: $ 7.190
2002: $ 9.998
2003: $ 11.100

** Source: Alberta Finance March 2004


Alberta has fought Ottawa on numerous issues. Here are some issues that Alberta fought and lost the battle because of weak leaders:

? National Energy Program
? Kyoto
? Interference in Agriculture Policy
? Family Rights
? Personal Property Rights
? Federal Health Care Payments

National issues that waste tax-payers dollars and frustrate Albertans:

? Jane Stewart?s HRDC Boondoggle
? Helicopters cancelled, then reordered
? Submarine Debacle
? Firearms Registry Fiasco
? Broken Election Promises (no GST)
? No Serious National Debt Reduction
? Budgets Balanced at worker's expense
? Lack of Parliamentary Reform
? Canada Pension Plan is broke
? Out of control National Debt
? Ottawa?s lack of respect for Alberta
? Sponsorship Scandal

Albertans are tired of losing these battles. It is time to take what is rightfully ours. An independent Alberta would have a great future with a strong, viable, diversified economy.

What is the Long-term plan?
To give Alberta to Albertans
To facilitate the peaceful Separation of Alberta from Canadian Confederation
To become the most viable nation in the western hemisphere.