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SlickCash Sarah 07-13-2004 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonZo
I remember the shock and the horror of a Florida show a cople of years ago. I had been hired on by a mainstream based company [which never got fucking funded] that was venturing into the prepaid card market. Some of you may even remember 6card.

The main guy was the most uptight person I had seen in my life. I think his justifcation for making money off of this industry was that he was going to bring back integrity and protect minors from seeing the porn.

Anyhow...he had been disgusted when I arranged for one of the main partners [a female] to attend a photo shoot with PhotoGregg.

By the end of the week I was pretty tired of playing babysitter to someone that had no business being there....rooming with a horn dog mainstreamer that was hired to keep an eye on me and in line....not to mention the fact that since it was a start up meant that GonZos meals had consisted of the egg rolls at the CE bar and a major amount of booze...[and if youve seen me you know a fat boy has to eat....all yall talk about its 4:20..that aint shit when you say its 6:20 a Fat Fucking Nobody knows its time to EAT!] anyhow...

We are sitting in the lobby at the Westin and one of the industry's "tallent" trots thru the lobby looking for a stunt cock. Well I was bored and drunk and she was cute so for shock value I told her yes Id do it...[Fat guys can FUCK] but then she broke the deal by saying that I had to be able to fire off a nice facial.

Most guys will tell you if they are used to eating and spend a week without grub..."saucerhead" will get up but there aint no ammo if there aint been no grub.

Anyhow... he made a big scene along with a lot of Cub Scout Den Mother looking free site webmasters chiming in with support. So I let em all know right there in the Westin --- who are you to put down anyone that wants to be talent ?

If its good enough for you to draw a fucking paycheck off of then how hte hell can you look down on or talk smack to ANYONE that agrees to get on cam?

Bottom line? ------How the fuck can you sit here and call anyone a slut and a whore in this biz? SlickCash's own sites are called....
whoretv.com, pornoactress.com, pureslut.com and cumslutparty.com.

And in Sarahs defense as well...since we are being fair about all of this...shes cute and thats the first major qualification for working with affiliates shes there to get you to sign up and send traffic and keep sending traffic. She aint maaning a portfolio. If she knows anything about which sites are converting thats a bonus and if she can give you some strategy on how your traffic will work better....Id be sending her gifts because thats a rarity and not a norm.

Fuck Ive done got lost and confused this place with Oprano!

Good addition to this thread Gonzo.

mary34d 07-13-2004 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonZo
I remember the shock and the horror of a Florida show a cople of years ago. I had been hired on by a mainstream based company [which never got fucking funded] that was venturing into the prepaid card market. Some of you may even remember 6card.

The main guy was the most uptight person I had seen in my life. I think his justifcation for making money off of this industry was that he was going to bring back integrity and protect minors from seeing the porn.

Anyhow...he had been disgusted when I arranged for one of the main partners [a female] to attend a photo shoot with PhotoGregg.

By the end of the week I was pretty tired of playing babysitter to someone that had no business being there....rooming with a horn dog mainstreamer that was hired to keep an eye on me and in line....not to mention the fact that since it was a start up meant that GonZos meals had consisted of the egg rolls at the CE bar and a major amount of booze...[and if youve seen me you know a fat boy has to eat....all yall talk about its 4:20..that aint shit when you say its 6:20 a Fat Fucking Nobody knows its time to EAT!] anyhow...

We are sitting in the lobby at the Westin and one of the industry's "tallent" trots thru the lobby looking for a stunt cock. Well I was bored and drunk and she was cute so for shock value I told her yes Id do it...[Fat guys can FUCK] but then she broke the deal by saying that I had to be able to fire off a nice facial.

Most guys will tell you if they are used to eating and spend a week without grub..."saucerhead" will get up but there aint no ammo if there aint been no grub.

Anyhow... he made a big scene along with a lot of Cub Scout Den Mother looking free site webmasters chiming in with support. So I let em all know right there in the Westin --- who are you to put down anyone that wants to be talent ?

If its good enough for you to draw a fucking paycheck off of then how hte hell can you look down on or talk smack to ANYONE that agrees to get on cam?

Bottom line? ------How the fuck can you sit here and call anyone a slut and a whore in this biz? SlickCash's own sites are called....
whoretv.com, pornoactress.com, pureslut.com and cumslutparty.com.

And in Sarahs defense as well...since we are being fair about all of this...shes cute and thats the first major qualification for working with affiliates shes there to get you to sign up and send traffic and keep sending traffic. She aint maaning a portfolio. If she knows anything about which sites are converting thats a bonus and if she can give you some strategy on how your traffic will work better....Id be sending her gifts because thats a rarity and not a norm.

Fuck Ive done got lost and confused this place with Oprano!


that about sums it up....

gonzo i want to see the pics

ATL_Ryan 07-13-2004 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Exactly.. THIS is your job .. To go on message boards.. post couple of your pics. go to conventions.. Ask people to hit you up on ICQ...

The average webmaster will then have an instant erection and will hit you up on ICQ just to ear a good looking female talk about how LARGEBLACKCOCKS .com converts...

They'll then ask if the member area is any good... You'll respond .."You bet! I check it out and its HOT!!" Now after the webmaster just came in his pants.. You'll say "I cant wait too see how much traffic you'll send us!! The webmaster all excited will send you all his traffic... which wont convert very well... but you'll make sure that as soon the webmaster hit 10 sales... to hit him up on ICQ and say something like..." Wow you are a STUD!! Keep on rawkin' babe!!" and he'll continue to send traffic...

:1orglaugh

That was my experienced with BradM anyway... :Graucho :Graucho


:warning Btw Sarah.. if you are gonna ask people to hit you up.. be sure to have your ICQ# in your sig or message.. :glugglug



I've had this same conversation before. Keep on rawkin!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
go for it!! we need some more pics of you on here anyhows :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

big difference between you and I.. I respect my self and spouse and children no matter where I am at..i'm not an attention whore, and I am myself all the time.. I dont need to act like a different person for my members or those at the show than I am at home..it feels good to be me

And that would be why I am "Private" Ivy ( my site name) because I'm from a very small Southern town, and even someone posing in Playboy would make them a pornstar.

So yes, I have 2 different personalities so to speak. My naughty side is who you see in this business..whether that be on my site, at a show, or on this board. It is my outlet for that part of my personality and for the business sense that I left behind at 9-5 jobs years ago to be home with my kids.

And in real life , I'm a homely housewife and mom of 3 kids.

And I don't appologize for keeping the 2 completely separate.

Ivy

pornstar2pac 07-13-2004 02:15 PM

holy shit. page 7. just like I predicted.











I'm the king of the world!!!:)

C_U_Next_Tuesday 07-13-2004 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
And that would be why I am "Private" Ivy ( my site name) because I'm from a very small town, and even someone posing in Playboy would make them a pornstar.

So yes, I have 2 different personalities so to speak. My naughty side is who you see in this business..whether that be on my site, at a show, or on this board.

And in real life , I'm a homely housewife and mom of 3 kids.

And I don't appologize for keeping the 2 completely separate.

Ivy

of course you are the only one from a small town...geesh. I live in a town that has fucking churches on every corner instead of 7-11s.. do you want to talk about small uptight bible thumping towns... I am still myself.

keep on being fake.. thats not the real you in all the pics
so none should take you seriously..hmmmmm

jennym 07-13-2004 02:28 PM

This thread is the reason if I ever had to be near lots of women for a long period of time, I would just shoot myself!

Sarah - Mary can be annoying, but geez, did you really have to make a thread about it. IMHO it makes you look catty and insecure.

Ivy - Lots of women with 3 (or more) kids, and husbands work much harder than you do, and never bitch. I have seen you complain about it before, but never thought to much about it.

Loryn - REALLY shitty to post a personal convo in this manner.

C_U_ - Nothing really bad to say. You are a blunt bitch just like me, and I fucking love it!

Babagirls - has done nothing but whine and cry since the first second Miss GFY started.

Mary - I think if she is as intelligent as she claims to be, then she should behave in a way to command a little more respect. But, I like that she does whatever the hell she wants, doesn't care what people think, and doesn't apologize for being who she is.

sherie 07-13-2004 02:29 PM

Good fucking gawd. I can not believe my eyes. Adults in the PORN fucking business slamming someone for actually acting like a porn chick. What makes any of you any better. Oh you don't suck cock in a public place? You don't spread eagle at PORN conventions and have people grope you? YAY!!! Good for you! But some of you have SITES where you are either naked or fucking or whatever. Big deal. You damn bunch of hypocrites. Where some of you get off with this holier than thou attitude kills me. Self righteous bunch of smut peddlers are what you are.

The cattiness of this thread is damn well hysterical.

And whomever said that being a cute affiliate rep is the most important part? Come on, you need to know what the hell u are talking about. It's always nice to talk to some idiot at a convention who has NO idea about the program that they are representing, payouts - revshare etc., So in order to keep your webmasters you need to know a bit more than how to apply lip gloss and eyeliner. Christ, get off your high horses and look in the damn mirror!

PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
of course you are the only one from a small town...geesh. I live in a town that has fucking churches on every corner instead of 7-11s.. do you want to talk about small uptight bible thumping towns... I am still myself.

keep on being fake.. thats not the real you in all the pics
so none should take you seriously..hmmmmm

and that would be the answer to the difference between pro/glamour and amateur sites

"amateur" models really live what they show on their sites

Glamour and pro sites have a different audience and are more based on the total "fantasy"

My site started out as glamour but in the last year I have added more "amateur" content to reach into that niche. But I'm not considered an "amateur" model.

It's simple business sense when you're on my end of things.

Compare a glamour image and an amateur image- what's the difference? The glamour image was shot to acheive the desired reaction from the viewer. What you see in that image may or may not be exactly what was "really" going on.

Why am I explaining this? LMAO

Ok....I'm tired of typing

You win :1orglaugh

Ivy

SlickCash Sarah 07-13-2004 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
Good fucking gawd. I can not believe my eyes. Adults in the PORN fucking business slamming someone for actually acting like a porn chick. What makes any of you any better. Oh you don't suck cock in a public place? You don't spread eagle at PORN conventions and have people grope you? YAY!!! Good for you! But some of you have SITES where you are either naked or fucking or whatever. Big deal. You damn bunch of hypocrites. Where some of you get off with this holier than thou attitude kills me. Self righteous bunch of smut peddlers are what you are.

The cattiness of this thread is damn well hysterical.

And whomever said that being a cute affiliate rep is the most important part? Come on, you need to know what the hell u are talking about. It's always nice to talk to some idiot at a convention who has NO idea about the program that they are representing, payouts - revshare etc., So in order to keep your webmasters you need to know a bit more than how to apply lip gloss and eyeliner. Christ, get off your high horses and look in the damn mirror!

Thanks!

FuckFind 07-13-2004 02:35 PM

250 psycho attention whores

TheGoldenChild 07-13-2004 02:35 PM

say what you guys will about Mary's educational background-
Mary had a tight ass pussy and sucks a mean cock, and NO SCHOOL can teach you that except for the one of HARD KNOCKS!

:-))

stevecore 07-13-2004 02:37 PM

This is a bunch of bullshit... Sarah if you took the fucking time to research Mary's education claims before coming on here to accuse her, you could find them for yourself. I did the research and these files were pulled directly from the appropriate colleges websites:


Barry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma1.jpg

Columbia
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma2.jpg

Canterburry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma3.jpg

SlickCash Sarah 07-13-2004 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
This is a bunch of bullshit... Sarah if you took the fucking time to research Mary's education claims before coming on here to accuse her, you could find them for yourself. I did the research and these files were pulled directly from the appropriate colleges websites:


Barry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma1.jpg

Columbia
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma2.jpg

Canterburry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma3.jpg

"Bachelor of fellatio"....ROFLMFAO...thats the funniest shit I have read EVER....awesome research. Keep up the good work.

bad_girl 07-13-2004 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
This is a bunch of bullshit... Sarah if you took the fucking time to research Mary's education claims before coming on here to accuse her, you could find them for yourself. I did the research and these files were pulled directly from the appropriate colleges websites:




omg, I don't think I have laughed harder in the past month.


BG
Barry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma1.jpg

Columbia
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma2.jpg

Canterburry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma3.jpg


PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jennym

Sarah - Mary can be annoying, but geez, did you really have to make a thread about it. IMHO it makes you look catty and insecure.

Ivy - Lots of women with 3 (or more) kids, and husbands work much harder than you do, and never bitch. I have seen you complain about it before, but never thought to much about it.

Loryn - REALLY shitty to post a personal convo in this manner.


I agree with you jenny... and actually I've never complained on the board about that, because until Loryn revealed that personal information about me on this board, the only people who knew I was married and had 3 kids were those that had met me in person :winkwink: It's not something I advertise online.

But I've guess I'm out of the closet now...I've been outed ! LMAO

Ivy

mary34d 07-13-2004 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
say what you guys will about Mary's educational background-
Mary had a tight ass pussy and sucks a mean cock, and NO SCHOOL can teach you that except for the one of HARD KNOCKS!

:-))

hey...i thought we took a vow a silence on that issue

TheGoldenChild 07-13-2004 02:44 PM

Would this be a bad time to say that PARIS SETTLES LAWSUIT WITH RICK SALOMAN

BUY 1 NIGHT IN PARIS and DO NOT FEAR PROSECUTION FOR having the BIGGEST AND FASTEST SELLING TAPE IN ADULT HISTORY-

I get paid to say this...I love my job.

TheGoldenChild 07-13-2004 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mary34d
hey...i thought we took a vow a silence on that issue
Oh yeah - well you know what they say about publicity-
:-))

I ain't mad at ya.

mary34d 07-13-2004 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
This is a bunch of bullshit... Sarah if you took the fucking time to research Mary's education claims before coming on here to accuse her, you could find them for yourself. I did the research and these files were pulled directly from the appropriate colleges websites:


Barry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma1.jpg

Columbia
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma2.jpg

Canterburry
http://graphictank.com/funny/diploma3.jpg

haha that's too funny...glad i have better things to do than photoshop pictures.

that's why you don't make cash and whin when some young bitch is.

mary34d 07-13-2004 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
Oh yeah - well you know what they say about publicity-
:-))

I ain't mad at ya.

we'll have to do it again in hollywood

bad_girl 07-13-2004 02:48 PM

Why is it that someone with so many degrees spells giddy as gitty?


Look ma, ayem h00ked on f0nix.


BG

Rankings 07-13-2004 02:49 PM

maybe it's her dream to start the most threads ever

WiredGuy 07-13-2004 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
Would this be a bad time to say that PARIS SETTLES LAWSUIT WITH RICK SALOMAN

BUY 1 NIGHT IN PARIS and DO NOT FEAR PROSECUTION FOR having the BIGGEST AND FASTEST SELLING TAPE IN ADULT HISTORY-

I get paid to say this...I love my job.


LOL, good timing considering I just got off the phone with Evan :)
WG

SlickCash Sarah 07-13-2004 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bad_girl
Why is it that someone with so many degrees spells giddy as gitty?


Look ma, ayem h00ked on f0nix.


BG

Or
"haha that's too funny...glad i have better things to do than photoshop pictures.

that's why you don't make cash and whin when some young bitch is."

Or WHIN instead of whine! I love it. Glad to see good education put to work.

__________________

jennym 07-13-2004 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I agree with you jenny... and actually I've never complained on the board about that, because until Loryn revealed that personal information about me on this board, the only people who knew I was married and had 3 kids were those that had met me in person :winkwink: It's not something I advertise online.

But I've guess I'm out of the closet now...I've been outed ! LMAO

Ivy

Actually honey, you have said it a few times. I don't think you mentioned how many kids you had, but I knew you were married with children. BUT, I just took it as a little complaining....no big deal.

stevecore 07-13-2004 02:51 PM

haha that's too funny...glad i have better things to do than photoshop pictures.

that's why you don't make cash and whin when some young bitch is.


relax... don't get your panties in a bunch. it was all in good fun.

btw, i make my cash the old fashioned way i earn it... even through college i worked and learned the value of a dollar instead of the folks giving me an "allowance". isn't an allowance something you get when you're 10 years old? how old are you?

SlickCash Sarah 07-13-2004 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
haha that's too funny...glad i have better things to do than photoshop pictures.

that's why you don't make cash and whin when some young bitch is.


relax... don't get your panties in a bunch. it was all in good fun.

btw, i make my cash the old fashioned way i earn it... even through college i worked and learned the value of a dollar instead of the folks giving me an "allowance". isn't an allowance something you get when you're 10 years old? how old are you?

Thank you!

GonZo 07-13-2004 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
G

And whomever said that being a cute affiliate rep is the most important part? Come on, you need to know what the hell u are talking about. It's always nice to talk to some idiot at a convention who has NO idea about the program that they are representing, payouts - revshare etc., So in order to keep your webmasters you need to know a bit more than how to apply lip gloss and eyeliner. Christ, get off your high horses and look in the damn mirror!

Sorry dont pay any attention to me. Youve been doing this a lot longer than I have and I dont know a thing. I aint nothing but a newbie.

PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 02:58 PM

For everyone that is ICQ'ing me now with questions, YES it is true .. I have 3 kids, I've been married for 10 years. My hubby is the guy you see on my site with me. ( Thanks Loryn for putting my personal life up on this board)

And as far as comments like the one I just got on ICQ :

"I will still be your friend but you probably won't get as many ICQs from male webmasters now lol"

That's fine....the only ICQ's I want are from those who are serious about business.

End of rant ...and off to supper

Have fun with the rest of the drama in this thread
:1orglaugh

Ivy

TheGoldenChild 07-13-2004 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
LOL, good timing considering I just got off the phone with Evan :)
WG

Interesting- you should call me as well- I think I can make us a LOT of money on something completely different- email me at [email protected]

KCat 07-13-2004 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
Being blunt to someone on a forum is the way it is....but telling someone something to their face is a different story.

I hate this line of thinking. The way I am on the boards is exactly the same way I am at conventions, in the flesh. I may even be a little more reserved on the boards because I don't want something to come back & bite me in the ass.

If we could do away with the keyboard warriors & have people represent themselves honestly, we'd have a lot less drama & get a lot more work done.

:2 cents:

Loryn 07-13-2004 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I agree with you jenny... and actually I've never complained on the board about that, because until Loryn revealed that personal information about me on this board, the only people who knew I was married and had 3 kids were those that had met me in person :winkwink: It's not something I advertise online.

But I've guess I'm out of the closet now...I've been outed ! LMAO

Ivy

I didn't say anything about kids and I had no idea you were keeping the fact that you had a husband quite. If I did I would not have said anything. I didn't say the name of the person you were talking to me on the phone about in Atlanta, did I? NO!!

So that proves I wouldn't intentionally do something like that. You were saying in public in Atlanta about being married and having three kids and you don't get to go out and do anything so you are letting loose, so of course I am going to think since everyone is hearing you say why you are wanting to party so bad was because you have a husband and kids, that people would know.

I didn't pass any judgment on Mary or you for getting wild, nor do I care about it, but don't expect me to sit there and let you slander my name and make catty comments that I was rude to someone when you weren't even around.

C_U_Next_Tuesday 07-13-2004 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
and that would be the answer to the difference between pro/glamour and amateur sites

"amateur" models really live what they show on their sites

Glamour and pro sites have a different audience and are more based on the total "fantasy"

My site started out as glamour but in the last year I have added more "amateur" content to reach into that niche. But I'm not considered an "amateur" model.

It's simple business sense when you're on my end of things.

Compare a glamour image and an amateur image- what's the difference? The glamour image was shot to acheive the desired reaction from the viewer. What you see in that image may or may not be exactly what was "really" going on.

Why am I explaining this? LMAO

Ok....I'm tired of typing

You win :1orglaugh

Ivy

ok..I win :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :glugglug

PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
I didn't say anything about kids and I had no idea you were keeping the fact that you had a husband quite. If I did I would not have said anything. I didn't say the name of the person you were talking to me on the phone about in Atlanta, did I? NO!!

So that proves I wouldn't intentionally do something like that. You were saying in public in Atlanta about being married and having three kids and you don't get to go out and do anything so you are letting loose, so of course I am going to think since everyone is hearing you say why you are wanting to party so bad was because you have a husband and kids, that people would know.

I didn't pass any judgment on Mary or you for getting wild, nor do I care about it, but don't expect me to sit there and let you slander my name and make catty comments that I was rude to someone when you weren't even around.

She wins too....

Ivy is too damn tired to keep typing :glugglug

Ivy

samuel 07-13-2004 03:27 PM

so.. what's the problem?..

samuel

Loryn 07-13-2004 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
For everyone that is ICQ'ing me now with questions, YES it is true .. I have 3 kids, I've been married for 10 years. My hubby is the guy you see on my site with me. ( Thanks Loryn for putting my personal life up on this board)

And as far as comments like the one I just got on ICQ :

"I will still be your friend but you probably won't get as many ICQs from male webmasters now lol"

That's fine....the only ICQ's I want are from those who are serious about business.

End of rant ...and off to supper

Have fun with the rest of the drama in this thread
:1orglaugh

Ivy

Fucking amazing now you are trying to twist this and make me out to be a bad person who purposely posted personal info about you!!! Maybe you should have listened more to Vanilla than complain to Vanilla and she could have taught you how to be married and run a successful website!!!!

And for everyone saying I am posting personal conversations I didn't post about Mary and I's conversation first I just explained it better because I didn't want people thinking wrong about it.
And what was so private about my convo with Ivy?? Nothing!!! She is always making remarks about how hard her job is, that is nothing new. As for the husband/kid thing I already explained that in the other post, I didn't know it was a secret, people usually don't run around telling everyone something that is suppose to be a secret.

PrivateIvy 07-13-2004 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
Maybe you should have listened more to Vanilla than complain to Vanilla and she could have taught you how to be married and run a successful website!!!!


That was not the conversation and you know it..don't make it sound like I had complaints about being married or running my websites and them being successful.

My "gripes" or whatever you care to call my venting to you guys was that I could not decide which part of my job I was ready to outsource, whether that be design or programming or the promotion and marketing or what....that's what I was complaining about in our personal conversation in a hotel room in atlanta.

And FYI since it makes you feel good to put me down, I'm still complaining. I still can't decide if I should contract some things out and if I do who I will trust to do that.

And for the record, what personal info about my life away from the net that I tell someone I meet in person, my affiliates or friends, and what I disclose about myself on an internet forum are very different.


Ivy

SureFire 07-13-2004 04:05 PM

Must say very interesting thread. :)

AaronM 07-13-2004 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
Who said I was defending her? I made a simple statement about what I liked about Mary. That simple...

Do I know her? no
Do I feel any need to defend her? no
Do I think it's funny as hell that she posts whatever the fuck she feels like without apologizing for it and getting this board all riled up? Hell yes !! LOL

And honestly, FYI, I don't recall that incident you mentioned..waiting 20 minutes to go where? I really don't remember that or think I was there.... better check with Vanilla and Loryn and make sure I really was around before you accuse me of forgetting something or defending anyone. The only time I spent with Mary was briefly in and to the clubs and in the lobby.

Ivy


LOL...Great...Another "I must have been drunk or something and don't remember that."

You were there. No need for me to check with others because I remember it quite clearly.


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