Yes it would be difficult to seperate. But the simple matter still is that TGP traffic is a mixture of varous traffic sources both foreign and domestic. Some TGP traffic converts well and some doesn't. SE traffiic overal is more pure and overal when targeted correctly will on average always convert at a lower ratio than TGP.

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Hahaha. Sleazy you crack me up, lol :) I disagree with you here so if you're right then I'M actually an idiot with no clue how my bank account is filling up :Graucho

Re-read my post above. Simple matter is that SE traffic overal is more potent and will out convert TGP traffic. If for any other reason because it's more pure, better targeted and therefore easier to sell. Of courese whom you sell it too also makes a difference.. so of course if you sell it to your own paysites you'll make more of it. But to keep things simple lets just say selling it to a sponsor for $35-$40 a sale. All things equal, SE traffic will convert easier.

But bottom line TRAFFIC is king and very few people can actually pull off high volume SE traffic while TGP traffic is much easier to do. Therefore I think there's more top TGP players than there are top SE players.

Plain and simple, bottom line revenue is what talks. If you can get a super high volume of TGP traffic and get major sales that's a whole lot better than a handfull of good SE traffic that only got you a few sales.

Now don't quote me on this, but I remember a few years ago how a major TGP site owner came to my sponsors board and talked about how his site made $35K monthly. So I'm taking a guess here that top TGP sites make $30k - $50K monthly. Think that number sounds about right sleazy? What about someone like The Hun? What would guess his monthly earning are? Over $100K?

Now I could be completely off base, but if my above numbers are correct, then right now I know at least 2 top SE guys making more than that....

it takes alot more investment to make money (big traffic money) with search engines than tgps, using legit long term methods anyway

but i imagine the hardcore se guys wouldn't do it if it wasn't worth it

it may just come down to how YOU can get those sales

yep - you are an idiot.

guys with chinese traffic make all the money

It's a toss up:warning

SE > tgp

Hahaha. Sleazy you crap me up.

:Graucho

maybe - but i make no assumptions on your income yet you make assumptions - and false ones - on mine and all TGPs from your statement.

The assumption of income was made based off a post on the Maxcash board 2 years ago from the owner of a large TGP. I believe it was World Sex but I don't remeber exactly since it was 2 years ago.

He SPECIFICALLY said his TGP made $35K monthly.

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Alot can happen in 2 years though...
WG

jesus -- even pichunter makes more than that these days.. lol

one person's income isn't indicitive of anothers. looking at that time frame I'm assuming that was cor, NOT pierre - and he sold that TGP to pierre for one of the best deals ANYONE i know of in the last 3 years in adult bought a site for. I would have paid many times what pierre did for it.


is ibill's net profit indictitive of jettis's or epoch's or ccbill's?



should i say the "i" word again or are you willing to conceed?

indicative?

Ok.. well I guess going with site profits wasn't the best route to take, lol.

Regardless I'm still going to hold that good SE traffic still out converts good TGP traffic.

Also it doesn't matter that TGP's recieve SE traffic. The traffic is more potent and fresh straight off the SE. Once they've hit a TGP it's potency all ready starts to dilute. Just my opinion.

once again - bad statement. all depends on the site you're promoting. some sponsers convert better with SE - some better with TGP - some a mix. you're only able to speak from your own experience, you don't really know anyone else's.


a statement like that makes everyone here think you're company isn't capable of converting TGP traffic... and not every company is. it's one of the reasons why companies like nasty dollars and others like them expoled in the last few years - they filled a niche many of the larger more established paysites couldn't in the TGP marketplace.

For most TGP's the SE traffic is hardly a large percent.

once again - that DEPENDS on the TGP. i know some with 300K/day plus SE traffic in them

TGP's make more money than most SEO sites....go the TGP route. SE sites are good too not as good as TGP's!!!! i have personal experience with both.

alot of your posts are filled with underlying tgp theory, you must secretly want to help everyone succeed

i may dance around in circles but OCCOSIONALLY there is a POINT.


it's why GFY loves me. this teddy bear has TEETH

Ok, I'll give you that. I am only speaking from my personal experience. I mainly play the SE game and haven't done any TGP experimenting it years.

Ouch big time on me.... I'm "trying" to speaki from MY personal experience with MY personal traffic and this has nothing to do with how Hustler or Vivid converts. I don't want this to be a reflection of how those sites convert.

I do see you're point though and understant that the Nasty Dollars etc.. of the world filled a void in the TGP market.

Let's aggree on this though... it still comes down to volume. Regardless of which converts better...there's far more people with large TGP's than big SE players. And that's simple cause SE traffic is much harder to get...especially in volume (at an affordable profitable price).

You can't make blanket statements on either. It really depends on the sort of traffic you have to deal with. TGP and SE aren't mutually exclusive.

looks familiar

You're very wrong with this. SE traffic in large volume isn't hard to get as long as you have the resources necessary to build it.

Nice! That I did not know. I figured TGP's now get more SE traffic because of the SE's link popularity based algo's. But never thought it would be that high.

I say again... sweeet.

i agree in doing what WORKS for you and you're doing that. :thumbsup I've always told people to do JUST THAT.

i don't know if i'd agree that there are more large income earning TGPs than SE players - SE incumpusas soo much more than just adult - and there's soo many consulting businesses in SE - there has to be a LOT of major players there - I'd BET more than large TGPs but that's a guess and i honestly don't know.

i get upwards of 70-100K se traffic a day some days on just sleazydream....and i've never targeted seach engines. some guys have and they do MUCH better with SE traffic.

Well there's regular SE listing results and PPC results.

Besides PPC traffic and outright buying it... regular se listings are hard to manipulate.

Even with PPC you can outright buy a huge volume...but will you make more than it cost?... PPC is historically difficult to master.

what's hard and difficult for one person is sometimes easy for another.

also familiar

I wasn't talking about PPC.m:winkwink:

Thanks... that's much nicer to hear than your original out right "idiot" like the true idiots receive, lol.

Sweet number. I never realized you guys got that much in SE traffic. I always figured it was in the 10K range tops.

Hehehe. Nice. I think I know exactly what you mean.. and I repeat.. NIce!

And btw... just to lend some credibility to what I've said in this thread...

I don't "only" work for Webquest. I've been a webmaster for 6 plus years and have plenty of my own traffic...all SE based :-)

definitely interesting to see what two wm's in fairly opposite corners think about the same issue... doesn't happen here enough. good thread :)

in the end its how much work you do, not how much work Sleazy or anyone else does. it doesn't matter how much money i make, it doesn't mean you'll make any.

if you're smart and work your ass off you'll make a living. that part is easy. if you spend your fuckin night talking about how much everyone else is making, you're just gonna be broke, sad and give up.

last year when i was with hegre we had a no media policy. we ignored you fuckers on gfy and all the other adult forums because we had a mission. as a result we went from 20k in 2002 to 3mil in 2003.

dont worry about what Sleazy is doing. whats your mission?

SE, without a doubt.

:thumbsup

I think he is PR zero now and is banned in Google. Link lists don't count.