Will post pictures of my Katana tomorrow. Go to watch the movie Hero now, I hope to see some nice Kung Fu action. :glugglug

If it's about the stylist and not the style then how does little 170 lb Royce Gracie beat the shit out of all these giant guys from other styles in the early UFC's? Why aren't there any JKD, TKD, Karate, Wing Chun, Aikido, Ninjitsu (hehehehehehe) or boxers doing well in the UFC?

It's all about the stylist right? Then the toughest guy should win regardless of style, right? So why do BJJ guys always kick their ass?

thai boxing is awesome! I've seen it in the fight club around the corner...

you are confusing "fighting" and "martial arts" with UFC. getting taken down inside a small octagon cage, pushed up against the fence and getting hit or choked is not quite the same as fighting on the street or against multiple attackers or people weilding weapons... and does not mean that every other style of fighting is worthless or somehow less effective.

BJJ proved to be very successful in that arena... nothing more.

i feel much safer in my skills for example against multiple attackers on the street (which has happened) than i would knowing BJJ and being forced to lay on the ground choking someone while his friend kicks me in the face.
:2 cents:

Muay Thai has been pretty much proven to any rational person's satisfaction to be the king of the standup martial arts.

I repeat: nothing will save you against multiple attackers if they're actually attacking you and aren't just frat boys suddenly realizing they're in over their head. Nothing will save you if somebody cracks you in the dome with a baseball bat.

How is the ring different than the street? Both guys got two naked fists, two naked feet and elbows and knees. They're both hitting each other and grappling with each other.

you ninjas crack me up.

Dig, he often got his ass completely fucking kicked and took a lot of really hard shots that few could have taken. Same with some of his relatives. not every person can do that. there is a high degree of individuality and athleticism that you summarily dismiss and attempt to pass 100% credit for those things to BJJ.

thats funny... you know you don't have an argument so you dismiss it completely.

Have you ever seen a serious Akido demonstration? I have... i saw a guy here in Seattle fight 12 people from different styles who thought he was full of shit and he let them all attack him and he destroyed them.

but in the world of Dig... thats impossible.

yeah, and I'm sure you have some video of this incredible Aikido guy beating up on 12 BJJ guys :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I, on the other hand, can point to every UFC and Pride event and about 500 clips on the web of BJJ guys beating Aikido guys, KF guys, even NINJAS!!!!

The whole POINT of the UFC, the entire reason Rorion started it, was to show that it's the style, not the man, that wins the fight. That's why Royce was in there instead of Rickson, it's a better demonstration to show an average sized guy beating monsters than an obvious athlete like Rickson.

I mean really, if seeing it demonstrated live over and over and over again doesn't convince you, what chance do I have? :1orglaugh

now you have come full circle and are arguing my point about individuals and arguing against yourself and BJJ by saying its the "man, not the style"

i agree completely.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

A combination of Thai Boxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling :thumbsup

you act like a 12 year old addicted to BJJ comic book heroes.

you said no one could defend themselves against multiple attackers. I did not say ANYTHING about BJJ and that was hardly the point.... nice attempt at redirection though.

:Graucho

I think you should re-read what you quoted.

Look for the 'style, not the man' part.

That said, I'm just gonna let you Ninjas go on your merry way. If the Gracies didn't prove anything to you yet, I'm sure not going to make an impression.

These are the 3 fighting styles that MODERN MMA/NHB fighters train in.

Muay Thai is the best for free form action

Wrestling is the best for Clinching/takedowns

Brazillian Jiu Jits is the best for ground fighting.

All 3 are proven.

Aikido relies on willing opponents.

I studied it for 2 years, and believed in the hype.

Have someone in your school actually come at you, not in a damn overhead karate chop and see how good your aikido is.

The only good thing I got ouf of Aikido is that I can do mean ass forward roll, either than that, it's useless in the real world.

dig, I don't know if you are getting my context or not. Not everyone is Roy Gracie just like not everyone was Bruce Lee and for example if Gracie wasn't quick enough to grapple with Bruce Lee then he would have to be able to take all the punishment someone with the speed and technique of Bruce Lee could inflict.

It's about how the stylist uses that style and how they focus at any given moment. I have been attacked and had to protect people from multiple attacks too many times to count. I was attacked from behind in front of 400 people at the markets. I was hit with a solid steel pole, around the back of the head, then the next blow broke my 5th and 6th rib. While on the ground I was temple kicked by 2 guys who had black belts in Ninjitsu, Tae Kwon Do, and Shotokan. I flipped onto my back, crossed my arms and brought my legs up to protect my vital regions. I was able to get to my feet, grab the iron bar and knock one of them out before they hit one of my friends who tried to stop them. If I had not been able to focus and stop them and kept sustaining blows to the head the medics said I would have died.

I have been king hit by people who are 300 pounds. It's good for me that I have been able to take those hits but what is more important is knowing what to do after that and being able to use my focus and use whatever moves or aspects of styles to counter someone who is often 30% or 40% bigger.

I have always respected the effectiveness of BJJ and look forward to having a friendly spar with you one day. :)

What he said MMA is the way. I have studied Aki-Jitsu, KungFu for years. I have been training 5 days a week MMA for 4 months now:
( MMA: Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, Wrestling, boxing combined)and could beat down any of my old instructors with the little training I have received so far.

-Tony

I have been studying Aikido for many years. I am fortunate to have an 8th dan instructor, one of the highest ranked in the world. One of the important things to realise is that Aikido takes many many years to become competent at.

It is very effective because you are using the attackers momentum against them. The more force they direct the more effective your counter is. While they are expending energy, you are not.

I wouldn't recommend limiting yourself to one style. That is why Aikido is only one of the many Martial Arts I have trained in.

MMA baby, You guys should get the bas rutten book on street fighting :winkwink:

WAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! YOU FOOLS!

Everyone knows it's tai chi - I kick you ass any day.

Magnum .45 will take care of them all.

My previous comment ("It is about the stylist and how they interpret the art.") is a generalisation and genaralisations don't explain the whole story.

I think another way of saying it is; 'it is not the camera that makes the photo great, it is the person taking the photo." A good camera can help only so much. The rest, the way it is composed is up to the camera operator. It's all in the way you use it, not just the brand of camera. The style is important but the stlylist and the way they use it is what really counts.

Again it is still a generalisation yet I hope that explains it a little better. :)

i cant believe the person who started this thread put kung fu in the lowest group!!

kung fu is basically chinese martial arts, which includes many different styles... some more potent then others.

i would not let whoever wins or dominates in the UFC influence the decision of which martial art is the best! in my opinion, wing chun is one of the best martial arts... but like people have already mentioned, it depends on the practitioner and also the quality of training they are recieving. i have seen a few wing chun students get in the UFC ring and get beaten, but to be blunt about it, they werent very good when it comes down to wing chun.

without the correct teaching then yes it is not going to be very effective, and finding a good instructor is quite hard. there are a lot of 'milk shake' wing chun academies around! (crap wing chun)

One of the best forms of wing chun is known as futsan wing chun. this is basically an ancient style of chinese street fighting. it was used in ancient times gang wars etc. the purpose of it is to take the person out in one blow... no mucking around! very deadly stuff.

i really would have to say that when it comes to martial arts the chinese are well ahead of the rest!

So it's not the size it's how you use it right? :Graucho

Full contact judo is as affective as anything else...

that absolutely means nothing.. When I tried out Judo.. First class.. I fought a brown belt.. (just before black) and I beat the guy without breaking a sweat... I then tried another brown belt.. I never was able to move or get close to the guy.... The color of the belt really doesnt mean much...

LOL or as Confuscuius says; "it's not how deep you fish, it's how you wiggle your worm." :Graucho

each martial art has its strong points... but if the same person did every martial art, then they would find a particular one or two to be the most effective for no rules street fighting. i would bet that would be a form of chinese martial arts (kung fu).... why dont you go and train with a shaolin monk, i really dont think you will see any point in doing kickboxing or anything like that afterwards!

kickboxing or even boxing becomes more usefull than jujitsu or judo when fighting 3+ guys,...

out of all the martial arts around, how would boxing be more useful for fighting 3+ guys when it is designed for one on one fighting in a ring... and is designed to wear the other person out with just punching??!!

I personally did 5 years of Lau Gar kung fu which (in the west) seems to be mostly found in the UK. I've been out of it for years, but I do remember one classic lesson.

My instructor asked me what I'd do if I ever came across someone who did Judo or some other form of wrestling and then proceeded to demonstrate. Ouch.

When he offered to show me how to defend against this kind of thing on the street I rushed him trying to grapple him, he pulled out a rubber training knife and stabbed me in the head. Works with a broken bottle, piece of plastic, key whatever.

Either way a lot of ground work was taught at those classes. Being weak in any one area was not considered a good thing.

One last thing, just did a Google and found this. The commentary is whatever, but the video is priceless:

http://www.tkdtutor.com/02Taekwondo/BestArt.htm

you can keep a distance with your adversaries with boxing... even more with kickboxing...

Ask yourself.. if you were 3 or 4 guys.. who would you want to fight... Mike Tyson (in his prime) or Royce Gracie...? I'll sure take gracie ... One on one however.. Gracie should win 3 times out of 4 with Tyson....

And boxing wasnt "designed" for anything... Every fighting sports are fought one on one... As for wearing the other person out.. lol.. thats because of the gloves...If you want a quick fight.. boxing without gloves is your best bet..

Then you had terrible teachers. Im lucky to have good teachers so i might be good at this in five years or so if i can train a little more often.

And if you really want to see a good documentary about aikido then get "Steven Segal - The Path Beyond Thought". He teaches his students exactly what we have been talking about and you will be showed how some of his students, and himself defends themselves successfully against very serious multiple attackers. So watch this before you post any more crap about something you that you know way too little about to be downtalking. And that goes for the rest of you dickheads as well.

I love how these martial arts threads turns into a huge debate.

Everyone claims to be a "specialist" at his art. I'd love to see a webmasters tourney...would be great to see you guys put your money where your mouth is!!:thumbsup

I hold 2nd Kyu in Aikido, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Aikido as taught by Hombu Dojo aka Aikikai which Steven Segal is affiliated with has no randori, or free sparring. YOU NEVER TRAIN YOUR TECHNIQUES ON A FULLY RESISTING OPPONENT/OPPONENTS.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are wasting your time.

Dude, have you ever spent any time at Aikikai Hombu in Tokyo? I'm just curious if you have any basis in making that statement. I've been there a couple times during trips to Japan. Can't say I saw randori, but it's not like I've attended their dojo for years (or want to).

Steven Segal is only ranked shichidan with aikikai because of financial contributions. And I am not very impressed with him anyway.

Not all Aikido is the same. You cite Aikikai Hombu like it's the best representation of Aikido out there. I assure you it is not. If you want to see what real Aikido is, I personally invite you to my dojo. That's not meant to be some ego bullshit, but an honest invitation...it'll open your eyes.

I believe you are getting buddism and aikido mixed up. Segal is the real deal as far as Aikido is concerned. He was on the cover of Karate Magazines in the 70's. He only got rich because he was the aikido instructor of Michael Ovitz, hollywood superagent. His technique is great.

Don't give me that; I know too many people that have put him down. He married into most of his rank and made up the crap about his life. A friend of mine even witnessed his 1 minutes shichidan test at hombu which he contributed over a million dollars to have. He could barely finish it, he was so winded. I'm not saying he hasn't been around for a while...I never said that...but he talks B.S. and I'm not impressed with his techniques at all. Works great as a 6'5" guy throwing around a little 5' uke, but what if the situation was reversed?

You know too many people who put him down? I suppose you mean verbally. How did he make his millions to give to get his rank? If he married into his rank, why did he need to pay millions to get it? Don't buy into the player haters bullshit. This guy was a martial arts expert in Japan. He became rich after he became a martial arts expert.

No...I'm talking personally. And there is no such thing as a "martial arts expert"...anyone that says they are has obviously learned very little.

We don't need to argue this point. You can revere him if you want...that's not a concern of mine... but I personally don't.