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I agree. I don't feel the people that made the final interpretations were qualified to make them.

There is not any truth to your statement at all as General Tommy Franks was asked about Martial Law and comments that had been attributed to him about this subject. What he said was that after 9/11 Martial Law could have been declared and he is pleased that it wasn't...but also stated that if we are hit again in a big way Martial Law...at some point could be declared...thus the "terrorists" would have won...in a certain sense...a major victory.

sixxxthsense:

Well... yea, but some don't get the message even after decades of shit :winkwink:

The tendency is STILL "this is how it's going to be" whether it is even within their realm of responsibilty or not. The world does not see it this way and is clearly asking - What the fuck are you doing now?

There is a reason for what the US now calls "terrorism" and has, as it sees things, so many "enemies" - it's so damned obvious...

I never said it was true. I was using neomedia tactics. Neomedia isn't about truth, it is about reporting opinions and interpretations.

I am stating my opinion and interpretation based on things the man has said.

You can't prove without a doubt that he's NOT jonesing to have martial law declared can you?

He definitely views it as an option (and that's scary enough) much more than getting rid of the administration that is getting us into shit with the rest of the world.

theKing:

Reckon you probably used the right term there!

We got a billion dollar intell agency that works on "assumptions"...

I could get one of them together for under a $1m and if you wanted something three shades better and more reliable... let's call it $100million.

We don't need "assumptions" or "analysts" to state some facts - facts come from "feet on the ground". It saves office space :-)

King.. you seriously think that the intell service is that bad that it talks so much shit?? I don't really think so :winkwink:

Exactly. The figurehead will do exactly what the lobby groups demand.

It's time for the US/Israel to be humbled, to get kicked in the teeth once and for all. Stop your imperialistic ways, stop meddling in internal affairs of foreign nations. Maybe then the world will view you in a more positive light.

You are free to think that the policy makers (the Admin and Congress) that were the ultimate interpreters of the intel provided to them were not qualified to make the interpretations. Those policy makers were elected by the voters of the US and in our system they can be removed from office...every two years for members of the House...every six years for members of the Senate and every four years for the Administration. I assume...that if the US voters are displeased with the current Administration...it will be removed come November...as will members of the House and Senate who have displeased their constituents as they come up for re-election.

Goatse:

There's an art in tweaking the right fingers at the right time in puppetry - magic stuff! :winkwink:

When you even consider what a lobby group is.... There are over 6400 lobbying orgs in Washington - that is a total corruption of the word "democracy", even before it gets off the ground.

Who was it we were elected to serve?? :-)

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The assumption was primarily based upon reports provide by the original UN Inspectors...so maybe the UN is the one that holds the ultimate blame for providing incorrect reports...based upon their interpretation of information they collected between '91-'98.

This is not the first intel failure and not the first failure of policy makers to correctly interpret intel that was provided to them...and unfortunately will not be the last. Perceived facts come from feet on the ground (we have not had enough feet on the ground for many years as Congress is the one that allocates the budget) and those "perceived facts" are combined with other collection sources and then the combination is analyzed by the intel analyists. Bad intel is more common than it is uncommon...and anyone that has spent a long period of time in combat arms in the military is all to aware of this phenom.

Lobbyists...in general are a good thing...but like many things they are abuses by some lobbyists as well as by the ones that they are lobbying. In all walks of life there are the White Hats...and the Black Hats...but mostly there are Grey Hats.

Pig shit.

theKing:

Don't blame the UN/IAEA cos some assholes then made assumptions/interpretations on data.

The UN/IAEA is not the spy agency for the US - never has been. This was part of the problem with weapons inspections in Iraq - the US was getting in the fucking way as usual.

The UN/IAEA are not "US employees" or "advisors" - they represent the international community and answer to the international community.

On the eve of this latest adventure into Iraq, there is little doubt that IAEA were more than aware of the actual situation in Iraq and had little doubt that Saddam would not be using any "problem material" in the course of this invasion.

As for the Powell "evidence" to the UN was already known to have no factual basis. Hell.. I even knew this shit - it was all over the world media and old news already discounted. Again.. a credibility problem.

It's just that the US did not care to listen.... there were other issues, - like the "liberation" with troops being greeted with flowers and other issues at that time, such as the well-being of "the women of Afghanistan". :-)

BTW... What happened to these "women of Afghanistan" where there was so much love and concern for?? They are not doing too well and neither are the women of Iraq....

theKing:

No king.. it's certainly not pig shit.

It is a severe problem that is well-known. I'm sure most folks wish no harm on either the US or Israel - but you can't have your cake with double cream all the time....

Some call that greed.

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theKing:

Sure... agree this can be good. The problem is when large sums of cash become "standard practice".

This is no more than "legalised bribery" which, in many other democratic countries would result in terms of imprisonment.

In fact.. hell.. it extends more than that... even to standards of truthfulness in advertising currently being conducted by both parties. This is "real" pig shit :-) Again.. only in the US.... Elsewhere is jail term.

The UN Inspectors that were in Iraq from '91 to '98 discovered...and in some instances were supplied with information by Iraqi people that involved WMD and WMD materials. They destroyed many thousands of rounds of Artillary/Mortar rounds that contained WMD materials...they destroyed tons of Chemical and Biological WMD materials...upon leaving Iraq they reported that they had destroyed approximately 95% of Iraqs WMD's and WMD materials as well as equiptment to produce same. It was the remaining 5% that became an issue as well as Iraq's abilitity to re-constitute its WMD facilities and the knowledge that they had to reconstitute weapons and materials.

BTW the United States is not only a member of the UN but is the major financial supporter of the UN...thus is a well known member of the international community.

British intel...French intel...German intel...Russian intel...Israeli intel and US intel were all in agreement that Iraq possessed WMD/WMD materials...thus the 15 to zero vote by the UN Security Counsel for Resoultion 1441. We now know that President Putin informed the US that Iraq was planning for an attack on the US. I repeat all of the above intel agencies concurred and have not stepped away from that concurrence.

Just a few days ago I watched a documentary about the women/girls of Afghanistan and according to the documentary...in gereral the women are faring very well...in dress...in education...in entertainment and many of them have their own businesses created with the help of US orgs as well as others...and some are becoming politcal. They are no longer being stoned...they are no longer being executed.

If any policy maker is caught accepting an illegal contribution/bribe there is a consequence. Senator Tortelli (once a powerful Senator) quicky comes to mind. He is now history...and if I recall correctly there are more than one currently in prison. No one is above the law in the US including the most powerful man in the world...the President of United States. One was not only sued in civil court while in office but faced criminal charges...had to pay a multiple thousand dollar fine...and lost his license to practice law...and in addition was impeached by Congress.

I'm sure you don't need to be reminded that more people voted for Gore than Bush:glugglug

No I do not need to be reminded...and it is immaterial...if candidate Gore received more votes than Bush...as our Presidential election is not decided by popular vote...it is decided by electorial votes and that is the history of our system.

Yes, but the response was to the statement that if Americans aren't happy with their administration they would be replaced in November. That's not a very stable statement given the flukes in the electoral college as seen in 2000. The way it is set up for many it is more a matter of keeping a particular state red or blue, not what candidates are running. That is how you can elect a person with a half-million fewer votes than his opponent.

OMG :eek7

While it is somewhat of a fluke that a President was elected while not receiving the popular vote there was not a fluke with the electorial college itself...it worked as it was designed to work. What would be a fluke with the electorial college would be if a candidate received the popular vote within a state and the electorial votes went to the other candidate. President Bush won the required number of electorial votes...thus he was elected President. This time around will be the same. One of the two canditates will become President based upon the electorial vote...and I will not be surprised to see the same outcome as the last election.