Bills have been tabled that go beyond the draft, they've drawn up plans for mandatory service.


I've kind of seen it coming.


You know that "No child left behind" bill that gives extra money to school?

Guess what.

The schools only receive that money IF they make the personal information of all the students avaiable to... you guessed it... military recruiters.


No child left without a gun I guess.

Very well put. Unfortunately it's the dumb ass people who decide the fate of this country, the intelligent people (like the northeastern states) vote for democrats. All I heard in this RNC was 9/11, patriotism, terrorism, attacks on Kerry and nothing else, nothing about economy, or how those republican fucks are going to deal with the massive deficit, NOTHING.

If you, Bush lovers, believe that, that fuckhead made this country even 1% safer, I really pity you, you are nothing but SHEEP. Mark my words....terrorism can NOT be defeated. You kill one, hundreds more are born. All Bush did was to create more enemies in the Muslim world.

Not true.. Arnold essentially told the 1.8 million that have lost their jobs over the last few years and anyone else worried - not to complain about the economy or they'd be, and I quote "girly men".

sorry I forgot about that :1orglaugh

Listen no one really dknow what he had except for High Ranking Officials.. don't kid yourself. The Government only let's you know what they want you to know. I think Bush is a jack ass but i definatley see the validity of going to war:2 cents:

Am I the only one here wishing a pretzel would take Bush out? Then maybe a heart failure on Cheney?

I wish ... that a democrat ran a pretzel company and donated daily shipments of them to the whitehouse.

Come on, don't seven out now.. :) :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Bush wants to cut healthcare benefits for war veterans ROFL

Ok lets review this..... he sends thousands of soldiers to war in Iraq to fight. But yet, he wants to cut healthcare for WAR VETERANS. How the fuck did this guy ever get elected? Oh yea, thats right, most of his campaign money is from CORPORATE donations.

I believe the death toll is now 1000+ and thousands more wounded. how could anyone want to die for this guy. I feel sorry for all the mindless troops in Iraq.

I'd love to see all the republican veterans have their healthcare cut. It's too bad that the whole shitload of them will suffer.. meanwhile the no-bid contracts go out daily and oil companies make record profits.

I"m sure a lot of those troops want to leave, but that "stop loss" shit is preventing it. I've heard of a lawsuit filed by a guy that gets out in december ... I'd find the link but republicans would call this guy a sissy... :)

All these people who keep insisting that Saddam was a threat, I ask you: What would Saddam have to gain by attacking the USA?

Absolutely nothing. He knew damn well he would lose power, lose his palaces and luxurious lifestyle, and most likely be killed along with his sons (whom he hoped to pass power down to after his death). It would make no sense at all for him to invite war.

He's not some mustache-twirling cartoon supervillain doing evil just for the sake of the plot - in the real world, people act with justification, pursuing goals than benefit them.

So even if he had these imaginary WMD, he would still not be a threat because he had no compelling motivation. If he was trying to obtain WMD, it was to secure his power and ward off just this kind of invasion. Having nukes is a powerful deterrent.

He's not the wacky religious nut - that is Osama (remember him?). Osama was the one who wanted the USA to attack Iraq. It benefits only Osamas plot, and (not ruling a nation) he was the one with nothing to lose. It gets rid of a secular regime in the 'holy land' which Osama hated. It now allows for the rise of an Islamic theocracy there. And it helps him recruit more jihadists than he ever could previously.

Forget that it's real for a moment... forget the distraction of all the noise on TV .... and just look at the whole situation as if it were a strategy game. The plan becomes embarrasingly obvious. The Islamic team has been thinking many moves further ahead than we have been.

Iraq invaded kuwait. We went to war with Iraq. Iraq surrendered. Part of the terms of their surrender was for full unfettered access to all UN prohibited arms, all nuclear facilities, all chemical and biological weapons and facilities.
What this means is that in order for us to stop bombing you into the stone age, you *will* abide by this agreement.
Sadaam didn't abide by this agreement. After 9/11 being an enemy of ours who has not complied with its surrender and who is very likely to give terrorists WMDs if possible, it was time to clean up the mess that clinton allowed to fester.
We declared war against terrorism, not simply bin laden.
We're now killing terrorists in Iraq instead of America.
On the economy, only an idiot could expect the economy to be half as good as it is currently if told that we would have a terrorist attack on the twin towers that crippled the economy and punctuated the end of the internet/stockmarket bubble bursting.
The fact that our unemployment rate is as low as when clinton was basking in the shine of the internet bubble is amazing for anyone with an understanding of economics. More people own there own home now than in any time in our history. Interest rates are at record lows and inflation is almost nonexistent.
Across the board tax cuts where everyone gets the same % cut is always a good thing and while I think Bush mistepped by not riegning in spending, he'll be forced to do that now (since his only other option would be to raise taxes and we know that's not going to happen)

On foriegn policy issues, I want a president who does what is best for my country regardless of what meaningless, hasbeen countries like france and germany think.
despite what liberal liars say, most of europe and asia are behind us in our war with iraq. Of course the failing socialist economies of france germany and russia would be against losing billions of dollars in their oil deals with sadaam but too fucking bad.

Bottom line is Bush is a man of action, Kerry is all talk.
oh, and kerry's attempt at class warfare is sickening. Pretending the rich don't pay enough taxes is a bold faced lie that intellegent people should resent either because they are rich and know how much they pay or are not rich and resent being pandered too in such a cheap way.



This is in response to Juicy. you punks who don't know anything besides hating Bush, don't hold your breath waiting for me to respond to you.

Very nicely put, it's good to see another realist on international relations.

Yeah but Still

mahoney:

Hell... first, I is not my job to "handle it" - I am not the president.

Who ever suggested that anyone should "do nothing"? That sounds like the usual banal shit that comes from the current Admin, who seem to assume they are the only people on the planet that "do something". News... wrong :-)

Saddam was a threat? To whom?? I assume you are saying he was a threat to the United States? If so, think again.

The question about "who is the bigger threat to us"? I assume "us" is the United States? If so, I would have thought a terrorist organisation headed by Osama which has already attacked the US is more a threat to the US.

There is this common belief, especially in the US (wonder why?) that Hussein is some enemy on the US's war on terrorism. He is a thug dictator - of that there is no doubt - and "slightly" mental with it.

This was the same Saddam Hussein with the same "personality makeup" that the US engaged to be "partners" with in the assassination of a minister in a democratically elected government (Iran at that time). Saddam's qualifications as a thug were what got him this job.

It was the same Saddam Hussein that the US supplied both military and bio weapons to instigate and conduct a war with Iran.

It was the same Saddam Hussein that Rumsfield and others visited and shared some hospitality with - that was, when Saddam was a "friend" of the US.

Some need to quit trying to assassinate members of the government of other countries and also choose more stable "friends" to go to bed with.

On the bit about "what would I have done"... Hell ain't just me, but the whole world is wondering why the fuck the US felt this desire to invade Iraq. It was not based on any rational of "evidence" or balanced judgement. It was based on lies and a "hate" propaganda machine where there is only the need for anyone to have a retention span of five seconds.

It was never the "duty" of the US to engage in any "war" as some police officer - far less in a war in a country not even remotely near the US. The international community never asked for this "war" - clearly they are not going to "clean it up" either, least until the US is out of the place.

The damage this had done to the US is enormous - both in the "popularity figures" of US soldiers who died, but also in the more massive number of (not published) deaths in Iraq as a result on this action.
The damage within the international community is something that will last long after Bush has left the Whitehouse and "repercussions" will/are taking place on many areas - from economics to "cooperation".

Simply... I have no doubts the "judgement" of the current admin is warped. A war in Iraq has little to do with this chosen "war on terrorism". Osama has not been caught and his organization looks to be flourishing well and with far more members than were ever there in the first instance.

If that is "progress" and "good management" of a war against terrorism - there is much to learn.

The "target" should have been Mr bin Laden and his organization, but that never really happened, and there is little hope of "killing off" this organization until the "feeding grounds" for his recruitment are mininized. There are now more "feeding grounds" than ever existed before, thanks in large part, to the US admin.

mahoney:

Btw... I know this President of a country who is totally pissed about his country being listed on some government website in the US as being on the "coalition of the willing".

He, and his country are *not* part of any "coalition of the willing" tho they are in support of actions against terrorism.

No permission was sought to add his country to this list and, if sought, would be rejected since this is against the constitution of the country to be involved in shit like this.

When some talk of "the coalition of the cohersed and bribed" - this has some truth :-)

UN also told Israel not to build a wall in someone elses land, but where is the enforcement?
If every rule that has been broken had received such response, like invasion of a country.... well nevermind, there isn't possibly such amount of resources to do that, so they'll chose to work on what profits the most, for certain people.

And who do you hold responsible for Iraq "not abiding" with the agreement? Thousands of civilians who lost their lives? Their families? Millions of workers losing jobs? Oh, I'm sure they learned their lesson now, and will stop supporting terrorism.

Now if I say USA (by that i mean certain powers in the administration) decided to create excuses to invade Iraq, and most likely with the help of certain puppets that have been installed during the previous invasion, I know I will get blamed for making up controversies.

I'm just shocked how anyone is thinking this war was the most effective way that US government could come up with to fight terrorism. And I am sick of arguments such as, "at least they did something, and democrats woundn't do anything". Well guess what, "doing something" is not acceptable. We should be expecting these officials to come up with the best possible solutions against these type of problems.

I have never seen a country go to a war with so much opposition from its own people, even though it has followed such a tragic event.


And it's ironic you blame clinton for the dot com crash and mention the increase % of homeownership as a success.. Just watch what's gonna happen in a few years when interest rates start going up again and people buying homes today start defaulting on their loan payments.

M_M:

An patient in a mental hospital can "do something" - it is the judgement/balance/effectiveness that means something.

Yeah.. been listening to the usual shit about people having the ability to of "doing something" or not. Seems this is usually tied into banal US politics at this time and has nothing to do with any sanity. :winkwink:

It was a war of opportunity, duh.

First it was Nuclear Weapons
Then it was Anthrax and Chem-Bio WMD's
Then it was link to al qeada
Now it's to liberate Iraq


Thats the problem I have with Bush. And to say he was only basing everything on things other people told him doesnt cut it. Nobody was fired, nobody was reprimanded for misinformation. British intelligence doesnt bring US to war. Putin doesnt decide that we should invade.

France and Germany were correct to try to give the inspections 4 more weeks (weeks mind you) to finish, and *THEN* form an invasion to depose Hussein.

And the argument that he gassed Kurds is such baloney. That happened before the Gulf War and invasion of Kuwait.

And lets not forget, all of this ammounted to a diversion from the actual War on Terror.

Saddam didn't bomb the twin towers and pentagon. We should not even be discussing Iraq most likely.

Thats why Bush has to go. Hope Laura is finding lots of empty boxes and old newspapers. Get the fuck out of our house. And clean the dog shit up before you go too.


Oh and to borrow 12clicks line. This is in response to Juicy. The rest of you dont hold your breath for replies from me.