My opinion is far more relevant than that of a foreigner. I at least have the power of my vote and the ear of my congressman. You have nada to say about the decisions made by my government or the American people. You say the "US is fucked" and I say the US is still the richest...most powerful...and most important country the history of the world has ever known...and will remain in that status for the foreseeable future...certainly for my life time and yours.

theKing:

What a stupid response. Can't you read??

I "think" SacX is trying to say... they were never *your* enemy - they did not give a shit about *you*.

You elected to be their enemy. You whining now?

"They" are not attacking the US - why are you bothering?? It's called mind your own fucking business.

Go find some more enemies - it's clear you need them and have a need to hate.

theKing:

The US is fucked.. well fucked.

Well as a block the EU has a bigger GDP than the US, and China will in 10-15 years.. Of course on a per capita person they're not..
And with huge deficits all those USD going to trade partners who buy up US assets..

Perhaps you're planning on dying reasonably soon. *shrug*

yeah I didn't think it was that hard to interpret :)

SacX:

In all seriousness.. dumping Kings "my dick is bigger" bullshit - I don't think the US has seen fuck all in "bad times" yet.

Ya may question why they are having "bad times" - it seems to originate from past actions. Else, who is giving a shit?

People don't "hate" and "attack" cos the US has Disneyland.

Hell knows what the next 10 years will be like... at a guess, I think we will see more isolation and "lack of cooperation". This will extend thru all levels... economy, "relationships" and loads more....

The "damage" started decades ago and they ain't got a clue in repairing this - we are still at the my-dick-is-bigger stage of adolescence.

It's almost pointless wasting time over the shit..

Apparently the world per se viewed them as their enemy as the UN took it upon themselves to impose 12 years of sanctions against them...which some say cost as many as a million Iraqi lives...though a true number will never be known.

Yours and others "beloved UN" did this to those poor innocent Iraqi's. Since the coalition invaded Iraq the US convinced the UN to remove the sanctions...but it did take some convincing by the US.

theKing:

I can't be bothered King - it's not even an intelligent conversation...

I see your hatred of the UN is alive and kicking.

The US is obviously on the right hand side of God.

It must be the rest of the world that is out of step.

btw... what "coalition"?

You must be joking??

This was the Texas Village Idiots "term" - you actually believe him?

If so, ya might as well slit your throat now... it's not worth continuing...

PS... I see the US govt has still not removed some "members of the coalition" off their websites as requested by the respective nations. Can you have a word and ask em to remove these countries? That alone is a fraud.

General Schwartzkopf can answer that with more authority.

http://www.bushflash.com/wmf/Schwartzkopf.WMV

CamChicks:

A far superior authority than the "alleged President" or King :thumbsup

I have little use for the UN...and I would not feel badly if the US kicked it out of our country and withdrew from it...but I do not advocate doing that. It is a debating society and debate is not all bad.

I do see though that when you are confronted with real real facts...you have very little to say.

Fact...the UN viewed Iraq as a threat...thus the 12 years of sanctions and the 17 resolutions against Iraq...with the last being 1441 which clearly stated severe consequences...and the US being a major player in the UN followed 1441 and developed approximately 40 other members of the UN to form a coalition and provide the serious consequences.

General Schwartzkopf is speaking to what the UN mandate was in '91 and not too any events post '91 such as Iraq breaking almost all cease fire agreements within the first year of the cease fire. So what is your point?

He's explaining why it is/was a stupid idea.

Seems like everybody knew what would happen except baby bush...

theKing:

I can see you have little use for the UN - that is clear.

The UN are not excited about their prescence in the US either. It was your own government that fought tooth and nail to have the UN there.

The UN is not a "debating society" - it IS the international community, whether you like this or not.

The US also, at least this week, wants to "belong" to that international community - although it has that track record of blocking/raising objections on every subject you care to mention. It also has the tendency to rip the place apart, like a spoilt brat, when it does not get it's way.

There may come the time when the US should fuck off out of the UN. It is sadly a country that is unable to comply with agreements/treaties signed - basically no "cred" again.

Or maybe one day the US will reach some maturity and manage to quit behaving like a rapid dog in heat and realise there is more important shit in life instead of the "need" of enemies and the clever techinques ya find in collecting so many percieved enemies.

There are many good people in "power" in the US - they just ain't the good people who hold enough sway in controlling the asylum for the insane and clubbing the idiot element. It's classic that this is called a "democracy" - this level of "democracy" is sure not seen in any *real* civilized society.

Don't even start on "our values of freedom" - that's a joke...

Basically... when ya can behave, come back and join the party.

Thing is, all we ever hear about from Iraq on the TV is negative. I heard a soldier on the radio who came back recently and he was in an area of Iraq where they were happy to see the Americans and even had a huge going-away dinner for them.

theKing:

The man actually mirrored exactly what is happening in Iraq right now.

Your issue of time is irrelevant - this is happening now.

Why are you asking about "points" now? Is it not clear?

Some clearly can't learn from history - that's blatantly obvious.

Cogitator:

Clearly there is a big difference between radio and TV in the US.

I always thought the "media" was the media...

Sounds real nice... which area was that?? :-)

this dialouge is in featured in a lamb of god song, didn't know where it came from so good post. They are very anti-war band.

related song = http://log.radiotakeover.com/

FF

The problem is US troops aren't walking down the streets to patrol them, they are bombing from the air. The are too afraid to loose their own troops so they just bomb from the air and don't care how many women and children get killed.

Firepower alone will NEVER win the war the Iraq, brainpower will, but I'm afraid our 'leaders' will never understand that until its too late.

Well...as I have pointed out and as you have chosen to ignore...that "international community" viewed Iraq as being a threat for 12 years...thus the sanctions (that may have caused the death of up to 1,000,000 "innocent" Iraqi's) and the 17 Resolutions imposed against Iraq by the UN.

That is a loss of approximately 80,000 "innocent" Iraqi lives per year caused by the the UN. Since the invasion the US has convinced the UN to drop the sanctions...and if the loss of lives due to combat action on either side...falls short of about 80,000 per year (and at this point it is way below 80,000 per year) then in fact the invasion has thus far saved Iraqi lives.

There is currently more hospitals...with more medical equipment and supplies...pre invasion. There is currently more drinkable water in more locations than pre invasion... and as far as I know food is plentiful.

Thus I conclude that the Iraqi people owe the US much gratitude for saving them from the yoke the UN had imposed upon them.