Yeah reality is disgusting.

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It is too early to tell how things will end in Iraq. We are probably 5-10 years from a final outcome on that but one thing is clear. The bush administration has picked thier course and will not vear from it no matter what. Only recently ( in the last couple of weeks ) did they divert some of the money that was going to go to elections help over there into helping with security because the situation was to dangerous and threatening to hold a serious and effective elections. Apparently the months of car bombings and kidnappings previously were not that threatening.

also as for Ireaq's connection to Al Queda being Zarqawi, CNN seems to thing that he and Osama are actually competitors http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/24/who.zarqawi/index.html is the story where it talks about him asking Al Queda for help and basically being turnned down. Also, it looks like this Zarqawi guy only went to Iraq after our invasion, he's actually from Jordan.
I haven't heard Kerry say that the world would be better off if we didn't invade Iraq. I have heard him say it would be better off if we would have waited for a UN collalition.

Defaming them? He blamed the gov't and what the gov't made them do. All his claims are also documented fact. There were war crimes and atrocities committed. As some of you are so keen on pointing out, its a war, civillians die and bad things happen.

She has nothing to do with the running of the company she is a share holder

got it! nice one!:thumbsup

you dont know yet that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. . The Iraqi people did nothing to us for the 1000 th time.

Adner = DarkJedi, you are talking to a brick wall.

the brick wall must be you. :glugglug

Well, I'm not sure this changes anything but CNN has 2 employees working on the Kerry Campaign... So I'm not sure how credible they are...

Zarqawi, was in afghanstan training the taliban for 2 years prior to the US attack on Afghanstan... He then got injured on the battlefield and went to Iraq to recover in a hospital ran by Uday...

I just heard the sound bytes from the Kerry saying the world would be better without a war in Iraq... I don't think it matters if he said for UN approval or not.. Because, there is no way the UN would of approved the war in Iraq.. Too many people with veto power there where doing business with Saddam... So at the end of the day, its just rhetoric for Kerry, he's on the wrong side again.

The pic you are quoting has to do with terroist not the iraqi people.. there is a difference... And just because Iraq didnt help plan or carry out 911. Doesnt mean they are innocent in the war against terrosim.

Yea, the govt he blamed where generals and people too.. Orders that never happened... This can be verified by 265 or whatever the number of swift boat vets against kerry members there are...

Also, if you read those transcripts.. Kerry admits to himself commiting these atriosities...

Still no problem? What is a problem then?

SSSSSHHHHHHH! He is doing us a big favor right now by showing everyone exactly how ignorant and desperate Republicans are.

Sit back relax and... :glugglug

How are republicans desperate.. Republicans aren't screaming on TV about Lieing to the Nation and Betraying America... Nor are they saying anything and everything to get elected even if it means contradicting yourself...

Its not desperate to switch your campaign 50 days out of the election?

Or how about to have the Michael Moore's and the MoveOn's spreading outright lies to swing the election.

If thats not all you got CBS and Rather doing stories based off of forged documents...

What exactly isnt desperate about the Democrats?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Once again, point proven!

Typical democrat.. don't answer the question.. just say something off topic and act like you are smarter...

So I ask again...

What exactly is not desperate about democrats?

Your post was so funny there is actually not one single intelligent thing that could be said about it.

But funny how Republicans always start shit, then blame Dems for doing it. You guys are fucking stupid and everyone sees right through all of you.

If nothing Bush has done to date has made you lose faith in your president and your government, then what would? Nothing? Nuclear war? (this has nothing to do with republican vs. democrat)

Why should I lose faith? Tell me on a non-partisan, no bullshit basis... please

In my opinion the personal liberies are the Patriot Act, those type of laws, I know there are others but don't remember their names; the policies/laws that were establish after 9/11 as a result of terrorist attacks to help build security but invade personal freedoms.

Also John Ashhahahahaha, and the justice departments stance against pornography and obscenity. That would affect me directly because of my work.

What did republicans start then blame on Dems? You are spinning pretty bad here.... Bullshit after Bullshit, but no facts...

i'll just give up now because this will never go anywhere...

Kerry voted for the Patriot Act....

I hear this argument alot from people here about the Bush admin's policy on pornography and obsenity? What have they done specifically to any legit businesses in this industry?

LOL, is this the democrat way of admitting defeat?

You should g et a job at Fox News.

Unless you actually believe your own bullshit, then I actually do truly feel sorry for you.

most than expected response... feel free to answer the question

Again, don't answer.. just say something off topic.. and pretend you are smarter...

You crack me up....

The CNN employees working for the Kerry campaign are on an opinion and debate show. They are not reporters and never claimed to be impartial. That has no reflection on the news reporting of CNN.

The problem with people and being uninformed is exactly what you just said. They heard sound bytes. The meat and context don't matter. In a fuller context he said the world was a safer place sans Saddam, but the ensuing chaos has also made the world a much less safe place to be.

Just because it goes over your head, does not mean it was off-topic.

I forget you have to speak slowley to Rush listeners. :1orglaugh

You still believe anything the swift boat vets say? Wow. All the people on his boat would beg to differ, as would the records. The navy doesn't just hand out awards you know. All the swift boat vets are just extremely sore about his post-war activities.

Yes, he admitted to taking part in some of them, but most of what he said he was reporting what he had heard others tell stories of... whats your point?

What is a problem? Lying to the coutnry you are supposed to be leading to get them to support a war. I'd put that much higher on the list than criticisizing a war you fought in and became a decorated hero during your voluntary service.

Um, yes they are. Both sides are doing the same damned thing, only the republicans are better at being evil and controlling the media and story.

I'd say for immediatly it has made Iraq unsafer for some... There are some in Iraq pre-Saddam that would be executued on the spot. So that its self is a tough argument. But one can't expect the chaos to last forever. But as predicted it is increasing before it's first election for obvious reasons to most sane people... (this excludes Kerry at least his current positon). Terrorist want to defeat democracy pretty bad. And don't give me the argument it's Iraqi's in general.. because they are 25 million strong... and only 2-5k are part of the insurgency... What is amazing is there are car bombs every other day aimed at the Iraqi military recruiting process. But, yet every day Iraqi's go stand in the line knowing that maybe another car bomb might come their way...

But why is the world safer in my opinion... Because Saddam who does has terroism ties is not in control of a WMD program that produce nasty stuff very quickly.

Sadly I think a lot of people don't see through it.

You got proof of any of these claims? I got proof of mine....

Who lied? Bush followed the same intelligence that had John Kerry saying "If you don't think Saddam is a threat with nuclear weapons, don't vote for me".

And there are 200+ swift boats 8 or 9 kerry boat people... of the 200 plus are the officers that served with kerry.. I wasn't there so I won't say who is telling the truth or not.

But, I havent heard John Kerry deny any of the Swift Boat claims, instead he changed his story a bit.. But still he hasnt explained why he was in Paris or what he did there? Or about the astroicities that he said he saw...

what question?

What went over my head? the lame joke about fox news? I just ignored it cus again it was not relevant... to the conversation....

So please... what did the republican start that the dems get blamed for?

HA! PRICELESS! :1orglaugh

This is what the Bush administration is doing against pornography and obscenity : http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal...home-headlines

Here is a quote:

"In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in guestrooms of major hotel chains."

Also 2257... They expect us webmasters to actually hold a copy of legal docs and drivers licenses of every model on every single one of our pages and banners and those records need to be available for inspection during regular bus hours. Seems like they want to get rid of porn to me and drive as much folks out of the biz as possible.