200 processors going down.

wait... just ibill.

Is this amusing you?

I understand you like to promote your sig but if you do not
have any thing worthwhile to mention in this thread stay out
of this. It is too sensitive and a lot of webmasters are looking
for information regarding their money.

keep trying. maybe if you try hard enough, i'll heed your advice!

Why should I? You posted that many posts so you are
probably around here for years! If you do not not get *my
point* it is fine with me. Some have certain ethics others
do not but probably this is not the board to discuss that.

I made the switch from Ibill to CCbill 10 days ago and very happy of that, but Ibill still have to pay me thousands of dollars ! The problem between them and First Data is not OUR problem , Why the fuck we have to pay for that ? I will maybe lost a part of my business cuz of them...So Ibill if you read that , stop laughing at us and do the payments now, everybody knows that you have the cash for ! MY money is not YOUR money !:2 cents:

They didnt pay webmasters the Web900 money, why would you expect them to pay out now ?

I forgot ....My message is not personnal about peoples who work for Ibill . I worked with a Ass.Man. at Ibill called Kevin since 3 years and always had good services from him . A good guy who just work for the wrong company !

Why ? Because I think it's impossible that an Internationnal Cie like Ibill have no more money. They just don't want to pick in their own funds !

I agree there are some excellent people working there, not many but a few. They are just working for the wrong company is all !! Lets face it all the people who post here from Ibill are not able to make policy they are just posting parrot fashion what the management tells them. I am sure they would get fired if they ever posted their own views on this mess.



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Just to know ... Some webmasters talked about PSWbilling who made the same shit as Ibill now and closed without paying webmasters. If....and I say IF... Ibill close the door ... Any Legal actions can be take in US ?

IBILL will start to pay what they owe this week. They are going to pay every penny they owe. IBILL has new management and they are very good at what they do. First Data made an agreement with them not to shut them down and they did. Unfortunately their problem became our problem but I have the utmost confidence that all of us will get paid.

So stop your bitching. In this business shit is bound to happen. Deal with it.

Well don't know where you got those informations but if its true I'm very happy to hear that . I'm not bitching just giving my opinion....its not why that board was created for ?

The people that now run IBILL are good people and they are not looking to fuck anyone. Be patient and you will see your money. I am not saying you will see it all tomorrow but once they start to pay people that will calm everyone down.

In this business "good people" make payments ontime without fucking up.

But at least you've admitted that "good people" were not running iBill before. :1orglaugh

The people who ran IBILL before were just total assholes who did not have a clue.

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Good people with good intentions are not necessarily those who "should" be running 3rd party payment systems :-)

I'm sure the founders of iBill did well - it's just that this company was not controlled and outside factors screwing stuff up.

I'd hate to be involved in any third party processing under the terms which are currently enforced on these businesses. Their businesses are "theirs" in name only - that whole operation can be pulled from under their feet next week. It's hardly a basis for "future development" :-)

Tho... don't care what the logic is or the reasoning - for iBill to only have First Data as a bank handling their US stuff - that is a joke. If the "system" does not allow otherwise - it is time to change the system - or move outside that jurisdiction.

Bingo...
Its an industry comprised of shit if you can make money with it then a Business Man you are.
Albeit a business man that would do far better in another industry but this industry will break you to the extreme in skill's and ability.

Think of Porn as the Xgames of business.
It takes stunts, tricks, game and BALL's, not to mention with one fuck up you can be out.

Ok i received my new "merchant app" from ibill today and spent time looking it over.

BTW i have switched over to anther billing service ( and at 10% with NO reserve and weekly payouts !!!

now back to this merchant app. it looks just like that a standard viasa merchant app. compleate with fees for chargebacks and all. The thing that IS missing are the fees ibill will be charging, those are blank. so my question to ibill, if it survives is, what can you offer me differnt or better with this rather than me going and getting my own merchant account at say 5% ?? it seems all the risks are on our side and the blank spaces for transaction fees really worry me.

please explain more.

received by email ?

You should use IBILL'S bad situation right now to your advantage. Start negotiating with them. I am willing to bet you will get a very good deal. Make an agreement with them and when they get up and running at full capacity you will have made out. Do not wait for them to get up and running at full capacity. If I were them I would tell you this is our fees and we will not negotiate.

A lot of people who are in business just do not know how to run a business. This is the time to contact IBILL and say what are you going to do for me NOW so you can keep my business when you get up and running. Take advantage guys and gals. This is a great opportunity for everyone to make great deals for themselves.

Ibill just lost the ability to process as an IPSP in the US. Their whole business model is flipped around 180 degrees. Right now as it stands 96% of the revenues they earned in the last 12 months are at stake.

There are zero advantages at this stage. Nada. Nichts. Nulla.

This is new news then. They lost their bank, and are transitioning to a new one. Has that changed?

I disagree with you. There are a lot of advantages to negotiate now. When a company is having problems this is the time to take advantage. Once they are back on their feet they do not have to negotiate. Business class 101 is over.

Nothing has changed. They are making a transition to another bank. This guy is a fool.

I was thinking about that I dont think Ibill lost their ability to be a ipsp. As we had spoken about on this board before there is a good chance the third party processor model is going away . I think its more of a case of iBill staying ahead of the curve and doing what will be best for themselves and their clients longterm. I think all of us going to our own merchant account is a good thing , first your money is in your bank account every day no more wondering and secondly you run your business correctly you have nothing to worry about.Third people with very low cb ratios will not be carrying the companies that fuck surfers anymore. They will have to answer directly to the bank.

Good riddance 3rd Party Processing...

Maybe the adult industry will fair better when companies start putting up there own merchant account's to burn.

If this is the case and we as webmasters all have our own merchant accounts then for sure the fees should be around 4 - 5%. Thats all we pay on our present merchant account which is used in online adult transactions every day. In fact i think we pay less for Visa transactions

SHHHHH!!!

DUDE!!!!

You are not allowed to post no more.

Lensman ban this guy he is making sense.

Perhaps one of the reasons porn webmasters are screwed at such regular intervals is because blind optimism seems more prevalent than business sense.

Reasonably, everyone should have dropped iBill like a hot brick when they didn't make those Web900 payments in full. There was a message loud and clear that here was a company unwilling to dip into its own reserves (if indeed it had any) to avoid passing its problems - in full - along to its customers. For the past year or more, even if you discount all of the most colorful invective and 50% of the more reasoned criticisms, there is no way anyone could accuse iBill of having been a stable, well-run, customer-oriented business.

We all experience bumps in the road and some loyalty can pay off if it allows a basically sound business to get back on track. But when does a sensible degree of loyalty turn into a rationalisation for doing nothing?

I realize that people who have a lot of money tied up with iBill don't want to see the company fail. Why should anyone want that? It just seems to me that there are rarely any consequences in this business for poor management, dubious ethics or whatever may apply in a given situation. If the individual or business hangs on, even screwing a few webmasters in the process, it is generally welcomed back with barely a reduction in the size of the cheerleader section.

Surely if we demanded higher standards, instead of being so willing to excuse them, we might actually get higher standards?

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my point exactly, I dont think i will be signing this e-mailed contract without those boxes being filled in first

I bet they have some smart answer to all the requests for a lower rate ?
Something like: "Well we are acting as guarantor's for your account and we are providing you with a scrubbing system etc. etc".





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Ibill has been pushed out of the IPSP market in the US region. This has nothing to do with a transition to another bank. It's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about.

100% assumptions, 0% fact.

All spot on but then it was also summed up perfectly in another thread. Something about the business being held together with bubble gum and elastic bands. :glugglug

Tell us how you got your facts. Ibill has no agreement to process with another bank? Why are we filling out the new merchant agreement forms?

I just read what Ibill publishes themselves. They exited the IPSP business and are trying to enter the ISO market.

How do you know this what are you basing this on? To tell you the truth the ipsp model is terrible for the webmaster. All this we protect you , if you run your business with honor and have a good gateway and scrubbing you dont need protection. All you are doing is creating a buffer for the larger companies that do fuck surfers. You have no control , cant go after cb's, they are not your customers. If your third party processor goes under you are out all kinds of money owed because of rebills you are married to them. Its basically like working for someone you have very little control. ibill is taking a step in the right direction, all these people that are looking forward to ibill failing are very stupid. They fail there are only two left, it goes to one whats to stop them from charging 35-40% to process?

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