Thanks Alien!

Sad, but the day may come when this is the only option for anyone who wants to run an internet business profitably.

intellectual property law in the U.S., although imperfect, is one of the things that makes this country great.

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I remember when Evan came out with the first versions of this system.

It was called "XPAYS Commerce Network"

Correction Its the same look! GUess he couldnt change much when filing with the USDPTO.

"Performance Commerce Network"

Michael is the smart one over here at XPays :yinyang

What??

I never heard about this!

Evan why didn't you tell me sooner about this patent thing?

:1orglaugh

I recall going to the boards months back and mentioning about possible infringers...but no one listens to me

:-))

Congrats to Michael and Evan

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Patents are not bad.

We have patents pending too.

There is absolutely no comparison between Acacia and Xpays. Remember, Xpays actually worked hard themselves on a creative invention, while Acacia is a bunch of attorneys that bought up nebulous patents from the wreckage of dot bombs and had serious motivation to sue.

Congratulations are due. Getting a patent is not an easy or cheap process to deal with.

Acacia sued first and asked questions later. It is obvious from the Evan posts that this is not what Xpays has any intention of doing.

As someone that is actually part of the Acacia Defense Group and knowing the millions that have been spent, I feel like my opinion should get an extra penny on top of the other two...

Thanks KB! Your support throughout the years has been unwaivering and most appreciated! Good times ahead :)

Bah its the beer and the blondes that make america great , nobody cares about intellectual property..

Have a question though..

Obviously it takes a patent interpreter to understand the full scope of what a patent covers, but heres what i got out of it.


The general idea is that the patent is for an affiliate system that includes many different sponsors for the affiliate to use without having to sign up for each one individually.

Furthermore it appears the patent may be trying to cover the use of linking code that works for multiple sponsors of the affiliate choice without having to change the link code or banner images each time the affiliate changes links to a new banner/company. ( there are some other patents that already cover this area and im curious as to how yours differs. )


Now my question is. Why are you marketing this patent the way you are ( confusingly ) instead of using this as an opportunity to announce a revolutionary new affiliate system that could profit everybody here a bundle..


Im not looking for a precise response , just some sort of blanket statement that the masses can understand.

I do understand you reluctance to tell us if individual systems are currently in your view violating your patent, but i think it would be alright to tell us if there are any CURRENT large scale programs that you intend to fight with this patent, Or if you are merely protecting yourself from future infringers.

I thought Spike's quotes in the last article regarding the last hearing say it all and we appreciate the balance of your post and wish your team continued victories along the road of invalidating Acacia's patent :thumbsup

Speaking now as part of the IMPA, we are available to help foster communication between companies in an effort to avoid expensive and expansive litigation.

government is not shutting shit down, quit the scare tactic's trying 2 get peope to vote for that asswipe Kerry

I see it as being similar to some online shopping malls...

Many of them have several suppliers that provide the goods, but the customer just has to make the purchases from one source; eliminating the need to go to different stores for different goods..

This "revolutionary new affiliate system" has been commercially in use for years. The patent published in the issued database on Oct 12 2004, so we felt it prudent to cautiously make this announcement. We really respect a lot of the opinions expressed in this thread and truly look forward to more in-depth discussions at an appropriate time.

Get ready for Acacia Vol. 2

247media (Jan 99), Valueclick (98), Burstmedia, DoubleClick (97-98) and a bunch of others did this in 1997-98-99

In use to some extent , but not in the way this patent reads. It seems to cover a very wide area of things not currently in use ( or that im aware of )

BTW kudos on the idea and the patent. Looks like great things are in the works for the future.

So how soon will it be before i can login to my master account and get statistics for performance of banners for multiple affiliates, and change by sponsors/banners on the fly from within my master account without ever having to change my link codes..

Thats what i'll be waiting for, and from the looks of it you will be running this when it does.. :)

hmmmm

stop tempting me :winkwink:- the answer to your question may actually be a historical date in history- some of our affiliates will smirk when they read your question - customizations and reporting are our business.

not only that but we also have a top performers link that is dynamic and have for many many years. affiliates who do not wish to think- can add the special banner codes and the script picks the best creative by niche- for years and years.

If I am not mistaken with CJ you must sign up and provide info for each and every program you want to use, this system takes all that and eliminates the need to sign up or authorize with multiple programs..

You would get paid on everything within the program from one check. You would also have the ability to control all of your exit traffic if multiple programs hop on board with this..

In essence you could potentially eliminate the need to worry about getting credit for exit traffic and stuff like that...

I have still not emensed myself in this patent, but while I was at Evans house he gave me a pretty detailed rundown of how it works.. Only certain people would be in violation..

This is not going to be some patent case like acacia where they fire off cold call letters to everyone in the industry..

This is one of those types of patents that patents were created for..

If I am not mistaken evan, was this patent not approved two seperate times by two seperate patent officers? The first time being an officer who passed away right when the patent was about to be finalized the first time? Thus giving you a double approval on a patent?

You have a good memory considering we covered so much ground here that night. And, again I learned a lot from our conversations and thanks for taking the time to visit here!

Yes, the uspto issued an approval and the examiner fell ill, leaving us in limbo for an extra year, while new examiners started from scratch. The uspto added 3 years to the life of the patent most likely due to the unfortunate delay.

Once again, this is not another Acacia. Not even remotely close.

The Xpays patent is very specific and the Acacia patent is completely overbroad. Acacia is predatory, Xpays is not. Acacia didn't invent anything themselves, Xpays did.

None of the Acacia Defendants, those few who are actually spending money to fight Acacia are Anti- Patent. Quite the contrary. Many of the defendants are either in process or have patents themselves.

We are against bad patents.

And rewarding invention is what makes this country great because it makes it possible to get more beer and chicks.... God bless America!

I was thinking a little more in depth than top performers.

The problem is , its nice for the sponsor to choose where your traffic goes ( ie. top performing sites ), but sometimes the webmaster has a better understanding of his traffic. And there are many other factors that determine what will convert better for you.

Thats why i think your patent covers areas not already being used.

Like the affiliate chooses where the traffic goes from multiple sponsors / multiple banners..

I.e. i have a smoking fetish website , and i want to add a new banner, i want to login and search available banners by niche, see what the conversion are for that particular banner and sponsors, then change the code from within the stats area and have the changes reflect the image and link being served on my website, without me having to alter my link code.

There are services that can provide almost every aspect mentioned , but none that roll that all into one big basket.. ( that i know of )

Your house is clean after microsoft scared you straight? Your past is well known.

People should take notice of this. A organization that has faught acacia harder than anyone is acknowledging this patent as being valid..

I had the oppertunity to sit down and discuss many things with Far-L at Dinner and in his suite in Florida at Internext and this was one of the topics that came up. This was prior to my relations with Evan, and I was somewhat skeptical myself. But after discussing this with Far-L I was really interested in finding out more..

He made if very clear to me that this patent was indeed detailed enough to not be a junk patent like the DMT patent that acacia has and is trying to do an industry shakedown with.

So instead of XPAYS ALWAYS PAYS ON TIME

Is it fair to say now that XPAYS ALWAYS FILES PATENTS ON TIME?

What you are talking about wanting is the basis of what Xpays does now if I am not mistaken... I think that is what Evan was suggesting by the "smirk" comment.

I suspect this has more to do with dollars.com than anything else.

Somewhere out there right now in legal land an office full of attorneys are sharpening their pencils, looking at lists of companies in our industry and drooling from their fanged vile mouths.

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USPTO is filled with clueless patent examiners when it comes to the Internet sector.

CJ isn't the only one.

There seriously needs to be software patent reform.

This bullshit is getting out of control.

Hi Krl-
Can you please add http://GiveTech.org to your sig? Michael and I founded GiveTech a while ago and it is a 501(c)3 with 100% of the donations and grants going to assist qualified applicants. And before anyone says it is some sort of tax sheltar for us- absolutely not- as a matter of fact, because we are involved, we cannot even deduct all the operating expenses that we cover out of pocket. We get zero tax benefit and GiveTech.org is purely philanthropic.

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Here's what I'm gathering from this thread.


But before I give my comments, HUGE congrats to Evan & Michael from XPays.

It's been tough for them since their days of being seen everywhere as one of the adult internets premiere affiliate programs. People like Speakthetruth still try and give little jabs about the Microsoft allegations and discredit the genius behind a program that actually invented something great for our industry. Appearantly M$ didn't have an overwhelmingly convincing case if it's been settled so quickly. If they had a great case against them, it would have been stretched out for several more years and a loss of millions of dollars. So, let's not try to poke holes in the matter at hand. Being a hater doesn't make you more money, just makes you look like a hater.

Why are people so quick to hate on a patent holder? I would listen to Far-L and FightThePatent's opinions over 99% of the people in this thread and they seem to think XPays invented something. Most people won't need to worry about this patent unless an infringer doesn't license their patent. Then that infringer puts their affiliates and business partners at risk. So if you feel a certain program is infringing, don't yell at Evan, go talk to the program in question and ask them their views on this and what their plans are to resolve these issues.

Evan needs more of a pat on the back then a slap across his face.

Most of us were too lazy to read and actually attempt comprehend the patent. Now that fightthepatent and others have translated it for us it is starting to make sense. Evan and Mike patented what they worked hard to create. Can't have any hate towards that. Congrats. :thumbsup

yup and they never reply to post about this to , but all gay post are replied ...

So are you saying XPays timed the release date of this patent for 10/12/04 intentionally?
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They must have some good friends at the USPTO
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What the hell is going on here?

I read the patent ...
I read the thread ..


Am I the only one confused here? ...

Where is FightThisPatent.com when you need them ...
stand by

:BangBang:

What the hell happened to FightThisPatent.com?


grrrr