Thats why online porn gets such a bad reputation. As long as things like that continue to happen there isn't a politician in the world who won't be agaisnt the industry

Pornography took over my Media Player. :Graucho

If some of you want to bitch about somebody hurting this industry then look no further then spammers..

They have/will do far more damage to this industry then any one political figure can ever dream..

Oh I'm sorry the internet should be geared as if everyone is 5 years old? Sorry but if your kids just goes on the internet and gets access to porn while reasearch something for school 99% of the time it YOUR fault. How many people don't even have a firewall( or know what one is ) or anti-virus or anti-spyware protection. Yet it's SOMEONE else's fault if something bad happens on their computer. That's like going downtown, picking up the nastiest crack whre you find, fuck her without a condom then blame HER because you got a STD.

then why the hell dont they try to forbid gambling and close casinos? the game addiction is much more dangerous than any porn.
Coffee addicts - have you seen the stats on how many people die because of excesive consumption of coffeine?

there're hundreds of thing they should forbid/restrict instead of porn
so I say stfu to everyone who says that those idiots do care about people

People are addicted to cigarettes and they give you CANCER. Nicotine adictionis said to be HARDER to get over than HERION addiction. That is a scientific FACT. Where is the push to outlaw cigarettes? There is none because of the tobacco money lobbyist send to DC.

People are addicted to video games and gambling. Anybody notice any REDUCTION in gambling locations in the US. Um no I see quote the opposite. 20 years ago, other than Nevada or NJ you couldn't go to a casino. How many states have casinos now? Almost half, I think, if not more.

Heck people are addicted to watching TV or playing fantasy football. Where is the outrage? Where are teh congressional hearings?

Just read this book!

Easy reading also good reading on the bowl.

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So true!

I'm tired of people making excuses for shitty parents.

Hey dude, I'm just telling you how the majority of people see it. You can whine and cry all you want about what's right or not, but that IS how the majority of people see it. And guess what? Majority rules.

I really can't believe how oblivious you all are. Total denial. Porn is the dirty habit people don't want their friends and neighbors to know about. Porn is looked down upon.

IM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT GODDAMN GEORGE W BUSH. GET OVER IT. GEORGE BUSH IS NOT IN THE SENATE AND GEORGE BUSH DID NOT GO INTO THE SENATE AND BRING THIS UP.

read everything i have said, comprehend it. get back to me when you are informed on what i'm saying.


thanks.

Actually it's not SUPPOSED too. Too bad my country if full of ingorant lazy people. "Oh I'm too lazy too raise my kids. I wish the government would do it" Bible thumper want prayer and religion in public school because when it comes down to it, they are too lazy too even take their kids to Sunday school to teach them the Bible themselves. How fucked up is that?

My 9 year old has never accessed a porn site and he's been on the net for 4 years now. Hmmmm must be luck.

I have this one friend that is often broke and has borrowed money so he could make it to the next paycheck so he could buy food for his family. Funny he always has money for cigarettes.

My ex brother in law is often broke and my niece and nephew do without because he has a riverboat casino nearby he blows most of his money on.

If Bush tells the Senate and says "I want an anti-porn bill" you can be god damned sure the republican controlled senate will come up with one.

Sly,

I agree with you re: kids seeing porn. I have a daughter.

However, I think it's important to view the issue in it's true context. Those railing against porn are not simply about the issue of kid's access to it. They are railing against porn as a whole.

Children are simply what makes it palatable to a more liberal audience. Kind of like partial birth abortions are to the subject of abortion in general. The broader agenda is always a general curtailment of porn for everyone.

When I look at the entire context of this type of thing, I have to think hard about where I throw my support. Unfortunately, these groups thus far can't be trusted to address simply the issue of children's access to pornography. Their broader agenda is far more pervasive, and carries with it the danger of general censorship.

Yep, you're right. They both have hearings and trials too. So do guns. So do drugs.

What's your point? Is skirting the issue the only thing you know how to do?

Most people in the world are sick of George Bush fucking things up and taking away people's rights, so no one much cares what you're "tired of hearing". No wonder you have a new job every 6 months, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

How can you agree with me? I never stated my opinion. I'm simply telling you all what the average person is thinking because so many here are so disillusioned and don't seem to have any idea what "normal" people think.

Guess what guys? We sell porn. We are not normal people!

I haven't stated my opinion yet and this GatorB dude is throwing a hissy fit due to his lack of reading comprehension skills.

No skirting. Show my the ban on cigarettes and gambling bills going thru congress? Show me a COPAesque bill concerning cigs and gambing floating around congress that has a chance in hell of passing? There is none.

I've read what you've said, and its not as profound as you seem to think it is.

Kerry wins Ohio :)

New job every 6 months??? I've had ONE job in this industry, and I quit it about 6 months ago. Now, as soon as you know what the fuck you are talking about, let me know. The top people on this board have even offered me money to get in on what I do. Get a clue.

The problem is:

Ofcourse Kids should not have access to Porn at internet.

BUT, it wont change anything if, let say, all US sites are down. There are enough sites that are not hosted in the US or owned form an american.

I think installing an "Anti Porn Software" (or something like that) on the PC the Kid is using (while i ask myself, why are kids on a pc and not playing outside?!) would be the better solution.

In other words:

Parents have to take care of what the Kids are doing.

A) I haven't thrown a hissy fit. I'm stating my opinion. I live in America I can still do that. Sorry that FREEDOM bothers you.

B) I am NORMAL. So I sell porn. Guess what so does my cable company. Playboy, Spice Spice 2, Hot Network. Hmmmmm. Most so called "normal" people look at porn. They are just too ashamed to admit it. That's because of Jesus freaks try to shame them and they should just have the balls to tell them to fuck off and mid ther own business.

C) Fuck off you self-lothing, abnormal, child abusing, family ruining pornographer

i'm not trying to be profound.

i'm simply stating that since all is controlled by conservatives, all the way up the ladder, that a conservative agenda will be pushed. there will be no veto's, dem's may even lose the philibuster.

if one of the three bodies, or more, were controlled by liberals you wouldn't see issues like this being brought up.

You're skirting right now. Are you really this dense?

The topic at hand is porn. Not drugs. Not cigarettes. Not gambling.

Do you plan on going to your congressmen and say "there are much worse things than porn, drop your attacks on porn and go after cigarettes!" Those are totally separate issues.

When one issue is the topic at hand and you try to move the flow of conversation to another topic, thats skirting.

Sorry if I took words out of your mouth. Perhaps your response wasn't the best to quote to make my point. I do think my post was germane to this thread in general, but it wasn't meant as an attack on you in any way.

You are correct - dealers in 'adult' will always be second class citizens. To both Republicans and Democrats alike. Whether actually or simply vocally, people look down on pornographers in any country that has it's roots in religion. It's visceral. People who don't go to Church, for example, will say they believe in God even if they are truthfully ambiguous, because they feel like they SHOULD believe in God.

Similarly, people feel that they SHOULD think porn is bad, or feel bad about viewing it or wanting to view it. All it takes is a good PR campaign. Look at smoking. Years of very good PR campaigns are creating a general atmosphere where smokers are thought of as somewhat unwholesome.

And that's just years. The PR campaign against sex has been running in this country since it's inception.

Really... so you are saying that at no time in history when liberals were in control of one of the 3, something like this was brought up? Have you checked into that?

Because the brilliance of their advertising embarrasses the ignorance of the majority of voters. They're great at talking and naming things, and playing the media. Seeing as you're in advertising, you realize that the majority of people are sheep and eat up good advertising, no matter what it's selling. This is the reason why stupid people vote for Bush, they've been sold.

The majority of people in the western world are not "conservative", they've been sold the idea that they are. The radical conservatives have blurred the lines between liberalism and conservatism, and somehow made the word liberal negative. America was founded on liberal ideas, and every great social advancement has come because social conservatism LOST. Social conservatism is a sickness, people who look to restrict the rights of people they don't agree with or understand are not functional members of our great free society that social liberalism has built. The taliban is what happens when social conservatism mixed with religious fundamentalism goes unchecked.

We in the western world tend to take the freedoms social liberalism has won us for granted. The end of slavery, legalized divorce, women voting, equal rights for minorities, separation of church and state, birth control, and oh yeah, what's that other thing, democracy.

I have a feeling those in America who forget these things are going to remember them soon enough.

i'm not saying at anytime in history that liberals may have not tried to do that. but right now in this day and age it would most likely not be an issue brought up by liberals. especially since most christian fundmentalists happen to be republicans.

So Rich what were those jobs of mine you were talking about? Since I can only think of one job that I've had in this industry.

Well the software I use for virus, anti-spyware, firewall has parental controlls and my 9 uear old had to ask me permission before he could even get on CartoonNetwork.com among other sites you think are kid friendly because of the settings I had. Yes it was a pain to have to keep seeing what he wanted to have access to and give him permission on such obvious sites, but hey so I took a few minutes out of my life to protect my kid. Big fucking deal.

When my kid wants to rent a PS2 game I always go withhim and if it has an M I say no, if it has a T I have to really look at it to see if I can tell WHY it has a T. If it's for cartoon type vilonce then I might OK it. If it's more real or has sexual overtones then no he doesn't rent it. I'm surprised by what some parents let their kids play. See I am the parent. Not the government or the church.

But wait... it doesnt have to be brought up by liberals in this day and age if only one of the 3 bodies you mentioned are liberal.

You said if only ONE of them were liberal it wouldnt have been brought up.

I don't know Detoxed, you were whoring something in your sig 6 months ago, now you're whoring something else. Whatever the case may be it doesn't change the fact that Bush and his gang of social conservatives are a huge threat to this (and every progressive) industry. The fact that you're tired of hearing it wouldn't come in to play if you had any real stake in this business, unless you're completely fucking dense.

most likely would not have been brought up because i believe a liberal president would have vetoed it. anda liberal senate wouldn't have had much interest in the matter. the house obviously has the least pull out of the three. so i suppose i shall restate that as one of the two bodies. since they seemed to bypass the house and pick this right up in the senate.

Now this is a good post!

You didn't attack me in any way. I was simply trying to make the point that I haven't been posting my personal beliefs, just observations and thoughts as to how the general public sees things.

I'm not ashamed of anything I do at all or I wouldn't do it, but I'm also not blind to the fact that pornographers are looked down upon by society in general. I think the religious get a little too much flack for this. Yes, of course they do lookdown upon porn but it doesn't stop there by any means.

Would you like the parents of your childrens friends to know about your lifestyle and occupation? Odds are you wouldn't. I know that I wouldn't.

Part of the evil stigma surrounding porn comes from child porn, rape, abused women, etc. All of those things often times get associated with porn.

and i said most likely. because you're busting my balls when i generalize. :winkwink:

Welcome to the Republican Party. If your a webmaster and you voted Republican, this is further proof you made a BAD decision.

Yep, you seem like a good parent. My 9 year old brother plays GTA, I wasn't real thrilled about that.

Give yourself a pat on the shoulder. Not enough good parents these days.

I dont whore anything. I traded some work for my sig spot this month. And I had AAC in there because it made me over $3k a month in referrals.

I dont have any real stake in the porn business. I have a real stake a ton of internet businesses. And guess what? I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND HOW TERRIBLE HE IS. WHY? BECAUSE IT WONT CHANGE A GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING THING! THATS WHY!

Now, why do you like to bitch about George Bush? Problems in your home life?

I shoot up some porn at least once a day. :(