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bangman 12-08-2004 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
If you weren't a piece of shit yourself, you'd tell this guy to go fuck himself when he asked you to trade traffic.
Everything I read here is all hearsay.
He has never tried to fuck me, Jim, or as far as I know, any other reputable person.

We have never had a problem with Jeff.
He converts our sites well, and we convert his sites well.
He's a good guy in my opinion and we will continue to make good money with him.

bangman 12-08-2004 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
good point...?
Please see my comment about you being a tool.
Thanks.

dubious media 12-08-2004 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Are you trying to say it's impossible for a program to shave because they use ccbill? lol, ok I guess some of the kids around here may buy that, just like they do about programs that use NATS, but anyone who's run an affiliate program realizes it can be done with less than 5 lines of code. Using ccbill isn't the way to make people believe you're an honest program, doing honest business is the way to achieve that. Supporting a known scammer of affiliates is certainly not honest business. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't trust a program that knowingly does business with con men for a second. Especially a program that stands up publicly for said known con man.
Oh, I didn't know I was able to modify CCBill's affiliate software. Do I click the Pi symbol at the bottom of the CCBill web admin page? We give affiliates their referral link. Users click it and CCBill tracks it and pays the affiliates. Perfection Cash works the same way. So, stop accusing us of shaving and go fuck yourself.

Rich 12-08-2004 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bangman
Everything I read here is all hearsay.
He has never tried to fuck me, Jim, or as far as I know, any other reputable person.

We have never had a problem with Jeff.
He converts our sites well, and we convert his sites well.
He's a good guy in my opinion and we will continue to make good money with him.

Pay more attention to who you do business with, he was caught red handed stealing all the rebills from every single one of his affiliates, not 12 months ago. You can thank me later for bringing you up to date.

If that's your idea of a good guy, or if you want to turn a blind eye to that fact and continue doing business with him because he's making you a couple bucks, that makes you someone I don't want to do business with, hense the blacklist. I'm sure he ripped off some people who are also your affiliates, I wonder how they'd feel about you two being buddy buddy.

LA Mike 12-08-2004 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
http://auctioniraq.com/aka-baghdadbo...ad_bob-001.jpg

"Perfection Jeff isn't a scammer, he stopped your rebills after the first month for your own good, making too much money would make you lazy. Also it was his billing companies fault, it was all a simple mistake, he's just an innocent victim and anyone who says otherwise is clearly a "hater". "Hater" is a word a lot of serious businessmen use in response to proven accusations of massive fraud."

lol

PerfectionGirls 12-08-2004 04:24 PM

Thanks guys!

There is a huge list is sponsors we trade with that will tell you the same exact thing. Whats he going to do, "blacklist" every sponsor in the industry that trades traffic with us, which is nearly every sponsor in the industry? lol That would be some list seeing I have 50 different trade sponsors on my exits now.

Dont even give it a second thought Dubious. He hides under some anon nick lacking the balls to come out and say who he really is. He has some sort of agenda so just let him say whatever he wants.

As for shaving in ccbill.... dude, you dont have a clue. So, somehow, Im to gain access to the ccbill admin server, install that "five lines of script" you claim is out there. We use the ccbill admin. My god! Why not do as the said and call ccbill. Make sure you tell them that programs are hacking their servers and installing shaving scripts that run through their admin. hahaha Im sure they will get right on that.

We dont shave man...and neither does any of the sponsors we trade with. I hate to disapoint ya.

We fixed our error of Nov 2003 and made it right, by triple. Took some time, but we did. I dont see Pib or any other the other companies you listed making anything right. We didnt steal a thing. We had an error that was discovered, we fixed it, paid it back and thats it.

Hiding and post under your Anon nick all ya want.

1500 affiliates and 30K in payouts last month cant be wrong. :)

Peace



:thumbsup

Rich 12-08-2004 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dubious media
Oh, I didn't know I was able to modify CCBill's affiliate software. Do I click the Pi symbol at the bottom of the CCBill web admin page? We give affiliates their referral link. Users click it and CCBill tracks it and pays the affiliates. Perfection Cash works the same way. So, stop accusing us of shaving and go fuck yourself.
I never accused you of shaving, I said I wouldn't trust anyone who supports a criminal. If you support people who shave, I don't trust you not to shave, it's fairly simple. Jeff was caught shaving every single one of his affiliates. Anyone who knows this and continues working with him is also a scum bag, case closed.

BTW, if you can't figure out how to shave with ccbill if you wanted to, that's not something to brag about. You should really have someone on staff who has some technical knowledge. My programmer could write the code in half an hour if I were a criminal.

bangman 12-08-2004 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Thanks guys!

There is a huge list is sponsors we trade with that will tell you the same exact thing. Whats he going to do, "blacklist" every sponsor in the industry that trades traffic with us, which is nearly every sponsor in the industry? lol That would be some list seeing I have 50 different trade sponsors on my exits now.

Dont even give it a second thought Dubious. He hides under some anon nick lacking the balls to come out and say who he really is. He has some sort of agenda so just let him say whatever he wants.

As for shaving in ccbill.... dude, you dont have a clue. So, somehow, Im to gain access to the ccbill admin server, install that "five lines of script" you claim is out there. We use the ccbill admin. My god! Why not do as the said and call ccbill. Make sure you tell them that programs are hacking their servers and installing shaving scripts that run through their admin. hahaha Im sure they will get right on that.

We dont shave man...and neither does any of the sponsors we trade with. I hate to disapoint ya.

We fixed our error of Nov 2003 and made it right, by triple. Took some time, but we did. I dont see Pib or any other the other companies you listed making anything right. We didnt steal a thing. We had an error that was discovered, we fixed it, paid it back and thats it.

Hide and post under your Anon nick all ya want.

Peace



:thumbsup

Like I said Jeff, you're a good guy and we will continue to do business with you
This tool isn't doing any convincing.

Rich 12-08-2004 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
We fixed our error of Nov 2003
lmfao

and who's anon? Rich is my name douchbag, and my last has been posted many times.

Yes I will blacklist any and every sponsor who knows about your scamming and still does business with you. I'd be willing to wager I push more joins in an afternoon than your exit traffic does in a week.

bangman 12-08-2004 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
I never accused you of shaving, I said I wouldn't trust anyone who supports a criminal. If you support people who shave, I don't trust you not to shave, it's fairly simple. Jeff was caught shaving every single one of his affiliates. Anyone who knows this and continues working with him is also a scum bag, case closed.

BTW, if you can't figure out how to shave with ccbill if you wanted to, that's not something to brag about. You should really have someone on staff who has some technical knowledge. My programmer could write the code in half an hour if I were a criminal.

Congratulations.
Now Rich, If I may ask, what do you do in this industry?

Rich 12-08-2004 04:30 PM

50 shaving sponsors

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Originally posted by bangman
Like I said Jeff, you're a good guy and we will continue to do business with you
This tool isn't doing any convincing.

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm simply reminding people that this is the scumbag who was busted having his rebills set to stop paying affiliates after one month. Some people forget, and the search is broken. I'm also suggesting to every webmaster that they also stay away from programs who support this scam artist.

Rich 12-08-2004 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by MickeyG
it's amazing people just over look history and act like it never happened. Once a scammer always a scammer :321GFY

Thanks Rich for continuing to remind people what a douchebag he really is.

Thank you, I'll keep doing it as long as this con artist is around, you can count on that. Some people forgive and forget, I'm not one of those people. Once a scammer always a scammer.

JFK 12-08-2004 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by bangman
Everything I read here is all hearsay.
He has never tried to fuck me, Jim, or as far as I know, any other reputable person.

We have never had a problem with Jeff.
He converts our sites well, and we convert his sites well.
He's a good guy in my opinion and we will continue to make good money with him.

Perhaps you should do some research before you make this statement !!
"any other reputable person". What is YOUR definiton of reputable ??
there were all kinds of "reputable" people who did not get paid, little guys who did not deserve to be fucked:2 cents:

PerfectionGirls 12-08-2004 04:55 PM

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I'm not trying to convince you, I'm simply reminding people that this is the scumbag who was busted having his rebills set to stop paying affiliates after one month. Some people forget, and the search is broken. I'm also suggesting to every webmaster that they also stay away from programs who support this scam artist.
Dude... catch a clue. Yes, the rebills got set to only rebill after one month. It was right at the time System5 came out. It was an error and not only was over looked missed by me, but my entire staff. I was rarely in the admin at all. It happened and it sucked. We could have folded up, hid, ran away like every other program out there that were "busted" as you call it. However, we fixed the issue, made it right to every webmaster that was effected and moved on. Show me one sponsor that was "busted" that did that. There is not one.

We weathered the storm, rebuilt and we are WAY stronger then we ever were back then. Yep, we lost a few affiliates and sponsors, but not nearly as many as one might have thought. Nealry every sponsor and affiliate has also returned since. We have also added over 200 new sending affiliates in the last two months alone. Why, because our site convert and we are far and upfront with everyone we work with. Do you really think I could maintain this affiliate and sponsor bases if we were ripping affiliates and sponsors off? Please, its been a year and not one word from anyone regarding affiliate payouts or rebills other then the issue of a year ago. Not one person has said they have missed a click, sale or rebill since.

If you have proof otherwise, please let me us know. We took some serious heat a year ago over this shit... some was out fault for not paying closer attention to the new ccbill admin. That mistake fucked us up hardcore and we had to totally rebuild. We made the rebill issue right with the affiliates that lost them and thats it.

I respect your wanting to "inform" but you sure cant tell us that your motivation here is purely to look like the "good samarition".

Do what you think is right Rich. Cant fault you for that if your motives are truely pure.

Rich 12-08-2004 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Dude... catch a clue. Yes, the rebills got set to only rebill after one month. It was right at the time System5 came out. It was an error and not only was over looked misseed by me, but my entire staff. It happened. We could have folded up, hid, ran away like every other program out there that were "busted" as you call it. However, we fixed the issue, made it right to every webmaster that was effected and moved on. Show me one sponsor that was "busted" that did that. There is not one.

We weathered the storm and nearly every single sponsor and affiliate stoof by us. Yep, we lost a few, but not nearly as many as one might have thought. We have also added over 200 new sending affiliates in the last two months alone. Why, because our site convert and we are far and upfront with everyone we work with. Do you really think I could maintain this affiliate and sponsor bases if we were ripping affiliates and sponsors off? Please, its been a year and not one word from anyone regarding affiliate payouts or rebills other then the issue of a year ago. Not one person has said they have missed a click, sale or rebill since.

If you have proof otherwise, please let me us know. We took some serious heat a year ago over this shit... some was out fault for not paying closer attention to the new ccbill admin. That mistake fucked us up hardcore and we had to totally rebuild. We made the rebill issue right with the affiliates that lost them and thats it.

I respect your wanting to "inform" but you sure cant tell us that your motivation here is purely to look like the "good samarition".

Do what you think is right Rich. Cant fault you for that if your motives are truely pure.


http://auctioniraq.com/aka-baghdadbo...ad_bob-001.jpg

You forgot to add "there are no US tanks in Baghdad".

Rich 12-08-2004 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
I respect your wanting to "inform" but you sure cant tell us that your motivation here is purely to look like the "good samarition".
I'm always looking out for the little guy.

Rich 12-08-2004 05:06 PM

Anyone have the link to the threads about this guy scamming? Search is down, it would be nice to post them for the newbs and people with very short term memories. Jeff, I know you have those threads bookmarked, since your so innocent and no one but me hinks of you as a scammer, post the links.

PerfectionGirls 12-08-2004 05:11 PM

Post whatever ya want Rich.

Everyone that that sends of traffic gets paid, on time, everytime for every single sale and rebill the generate... they have since 2002. All they need to do is check there ccbill admin stats. Im not aware of ccbill missing one payout since I have used them.

Heres the link

https://affiliateadmin.ccbill.com/

I'm off to dinner.


:)

Rich 12-08-2004 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Post whatever ya want Rich.

Everyone that that sends of traffic gets paid, on time, everytime for every single sale and rebill the generate... they have since 2002. All they need to do is check there ccbill admin stats.

I'm off to dinner.


:)

Hope you eat well on other peoples money, you two bit scam artist lowlife. You've also ripped off models, don't think we've forgotten about that either. I hope you choke on your dinner, assholes like you are a cancer on this industry.

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
http://www.povcash.com/
http://www.xxxcash.com/
http://www.triplexcash.com/
http://www.biminibucks.com/
http://www.dubiouscash.com/

That's the blacklist so far, who else is willing to admit they support scammers who steal from webmasters?

I'd stay the fuck away from any of these programs, if they don't mind doing business with thieves I'm sure they're shaving webmasters blind themselves.

Count me in that list I only do biz with scammers:thumbsup

PerfectionGirls 12-08-2004 05:22 PM

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Count me in that list I only do biz with scammers
LOL Yeah for real. He's into calling the biggest program and program in the industry scammers. Gzzzz

Guess he hasnt look at the list.

:thumbsup

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Threads like this are great, they expose the scumbags who are willing to do business with ANYONE who will make them a dime. Do you idiots forget this lowlife robbed every single one of his affiliates blind? None of the assholes posting in this thread will ever see any traffic from me.

I thought Porn Kings bought his sites, and Jeff had nothing to do with them anymore. That's what they said after he got busted scamming, what a bunch of fucking liars. I'm sure they're back to shaving the hell out of anyone nice enough to send them hard earned traffic.

Fuck Perfection Jeff, fuck Pornkings, and fuck anyone who does business with people who scam their own affiliates.




He's a GREAT guy huh? Why, because he's sent you traffic? Or was ripping off all of his affiliates what makes him a great guy? I used to think otherwise but turns out, you're just another stupid board whore with absolutely no business ethics. Keep up the good work, I hear pibcash and James Zee have traffic to send you, go kiss their asses for it.

you can suck my dick you piece of shit. Hope to see you in Vegas.
someone please post a pick of Rich LOL. so I know who to black ball from all the parties.

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
http://www.povcash.com/
http://www.xxxcash.com/
http://www.triplexcash.com/
http://www.biminibucks.com/
http://www.dubiouscash.com/

That's the blacklist so far, who else is willing to admit they support scammers who steal from webmasters?

I'd stay the fuck away from any of these programs, if they don't mind doing business with thieves I'm sure they're shaving webmasters blind themselves.

If you got balls post your company so I can make sure to blackball you from all the sponsors I do buisness with.

if you got balls:321GFY

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Hope you eat well on other peoples money, you two bit scam artist lowlife. You've also ripped off models, don't think we've forgotten about that either. I hope you choke on your dinner, assholes like you are a cancer on this industry.
I don't know you or give a fuck about you but keep fucking with Pornkings:321GFY

all our webmasters get paid... keep talking shit its gonna cost you. :321GFY

Rich 12-08-2004 05:38 PM

I'm talking about Perfection Girls, not fucking porn kings. You made your bed by doing business with this scammer. If you're going to deny the fact that he scammed affiliates AND models, I'll fucking laugh in your face. I seriously doubt you'll be threatening me in person, though guy. Any party that a scammer can keep me out of is a waste of my time.

Rich 12-08-2004 05:42 PM

Roger I warned you when you bought the sites to stay away from this guy. If you don't want your name mentioned in the same breath as this scammer, then don't do business with him. I've never had a problem with Pork Kings but I can't understand why you'd support someone who steals from the people in our industry.

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
I'm talking about Perfection Girls, not fucking porn kings. You made your bed by doing business with this scammer. If you're going to deny the fact that he scammed affiliates AND models, I'll fucking laugh in your face. I seriously doubt you'll be threatening me in person, though guy. Any party that a scammer can keep me out of is a waste of my time.


You don't know me very well.... I don't give a fuck who you are keep messing with my livelihood!

I have never fucked anyone in this buisness ever. But I will find out all the dirt on you. those who talk shit are the first to go down. LMAO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm just defending my business

Pornkings 12-08-2004 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
Roger I warned you when you bought the sites to stay away from this guy. If you don't want your name mentioned in the same breath as this scammer, then don't do business with him. I've never had a problem with Pork Kings but I can't understand why you'd support someone who steals from the people in our industry.
It was a business decision that has done very well for us.

I can guarantee everyone will get paid now. as far as you not liking jeff thats your prerogative.

But since we took over everyone has been paid anf Jeff as nothing to do with finances.

If you want to know the facts call me but please don't piss in my cherrios

Rich 12-08-2004 05:59 PM

I'm not saying you ripped anyone off Roger, I know your program is legit and you guys pay. Notice I left your site off my blacklist. That doesn't change the fact that Jeff is a dirt bag, and besides the shaving as you can see he even fucks well liked guys like JFK out of small amounts of money. This is not hearsay, and they're not isolated incidents. I don't understand why honest people do business with scammers who steal money from people in our industry.

Pornkings 12-08-2004 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
I'm not saying you ripped anyone off Roger, I know your program is legit and you guys pay. Notice I left your site off my blacklist. That doesn't change the fact that Jeff is a dirt bag, and besides the shaving as you can see he even fucks well liked guys like out of small amounts of money. This is not hearsay, and they're not isolated incidents. I don't understand why honest people do business with scammers who steal money from people in our industry.
First off I didn't know the previous history and it was to late to do anything other then make good on the debts which he did it was a total of 4k. I get burned by frudulant webmasters for way more monthly. and I don't post everyone who is shady becasue there is alot more scamming webmaster then programs. I try to keep things honest, always have.

I always bottom feed on deals I don't like to pay top dollar.

Sorry the way I read it you were calling Pornkings a scammer.

until jeff is completely bought out this is the deal on perfectioncash. but everyone will get paid until then.

And if you don't want to do biz with Jeff then send to Pornkings.

It was a business decision nothing more

RRACY 12-08-2004 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Anyone have the link to the threads about this guy scamming? Search is down, it would be nice to post them for the newbs and people with very short term memories. Jeff, I know you have those threads bookmarked, since your so innocent and no one but me hinks of you as a scammer, post the links.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=jeff

Rich 12-08-2004 06:16 PM

Well Roger, I really respect the fact that you're making good on Jeff's debts, you shouldn't have to but I'm glad the deal is making money for you anyway. I will continue reminding people that Jeff is a scam artist every time I see him trying to recruit people to send him traffic, but I'll leave PK out of it. As I said you're a legit program and I know you pay, people should use Porn Kings, not perfectioncash.com.

RRACY 12-08-2004 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Hope you eat well on other peoples money, you two bit scam artist lowlife. You've also ripped off models, don't think we've forgotten about that either. I hope you choke on your dinner, assholes like you are a cancer on this industry.
I have one where he threatens to kill Dana and her family.:warning

Pornkings 12-08-2004 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by RRACY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=jeff
you still live in the past. I bet you still jack off like you were 18 nothing changes.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY EVERYONE IS GETTING PAID!!!

Jeff no longer has control of the finances.

One day if you ever get lucky you will own a business and understand.


for those who want to make money trade traffic we will be around for a long time so you will get paid no worries

RRACY 12-08-2004 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
Hope you eat well on other peoples money, you two bit scam artist lowlife. You've also ripped off models, don't think we've forgotten about that either. I hope you choke on your dinner, assholes like you are a cancer on this industry.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=219354

Jeff threatens a MI family with violence. :warning

PerfectionGirls 12-08-2004 06:40 PM

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Well Roger, I really respect the fact that you're making good on Jeff's debts, you shouldn't have to but I'm glad the deal is making money for you anyway. I will continue reminding people that Jeff is a scam artist every time I see him trying to recruit people to send him traffic, but I'll leave PK out of it. As I said you're a legit program and I know you pay, people should use Porn Kings, not perfectioncash.com.
Im sorry, but Roger, Pornkings or not any other sole made good on any of my debts... ever, PERIOD!

Lets make that perfectly clear. I paid and will continue to pay every penny I owe or have ever owed. If anyone wants to dispute that fact they can meet me face to face and I will offer up the proof.

So you wernt calling Pornkings out Rich? hmmmm I seem to recall "Fuck Perfection Jeff, Fuck Porn Kings"... somewhere near the top of this thread.

Lets get another thing straight. We dont fucking shave. Never have, never will. If I can shave, everyone that uses ccbill admin and payouts can also and we all know that is not the case. Ive used ccbill as my admin and backend since March 24th 2002, the day I opened. We have never written our own affiliate checks and never will.

Pornkings handles the accounting on our sites. They have a great, full accounting department so it only makes sense, but everything on the revshare side is paid my ccbill as it always has been. It takes the load off me and lets me do what i do best. Thats the whole idea. Of course, youre so wise and business savvy so delegating task to people suited for them would not make sense to you at all. Please....

Roger, dont even bother with these idiots. I have fought much harder battles since i have been in business and won every one of them. Let them say whatever they want.. When I was 20 years old I thought i knew everything also. Someone is clearly spitting in his ear, telling him what to say. Let him have is fun.

This has become so boring and childish. The fact that some hater has taken up some of our day is now only our fault.

Oh and RRACY... since you live just down the road from me, lets meet up, have some drinks at 336. How about it?




:Graucho

Pornkings 12-08-2004 06:51 PM

If your a pornkings webmaster shoot me an email for the http://www.thejunglebash.com/


it will be off the hook


I'm over this like I have always said I'm here to do business not for drama. I only have time for webmasters who want to make money


plus its the holidays and I'm in a good mood

RRACY 12-08-2004 06:53 PM

Jeff just made a pass at me. :NopeNope Had jeff been smart he would have disappeared into the world of nonnude. You would have made much more mulla.

bangman 12-08-2004 06:57 PM

This is getting old real quick.

bangman 12-08-2004 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
If your a pornkings webmaster shoot me an email for the http://www.thejunglebash.com/


it will be off the hook


I'm over this like I have always said I'm here to do business not for drama. I only have time for webmasters who want to make money


plus its the holidays and I'm in a good mood

Looks awesome! :thumbsup


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