ours is managed

servermatrix's 20mbit is cogent. still, the price is awsome
anyone have a site hosted on servermatrix so we can check speed?

Like I said...

we can do the following.. not cogent.. not unmanaged...

Premium verio bandwidth and fully managed.

P4 2.4 Ghz
512mb ram
120 gig hd.
Fully managed.
10mbps.

$375/month.

You can look at our network at http://www.serverprovider.com/network/

We can have your dedicated up and running within 30 mins.

ummm, welcome to 2005. you can get a 100Mbps server from most hosts for $2k. With techsupport and the whole shabang. Hell phatservers has a special right now for 100Mbps for $1999!

hit up mike from webair. mention fris. he will hook you up. and beat all your prices. only if you mention my name. his icq is in my sig. just mention me and you will get a deal.

Hmmmm.....maybe I'll have to do some shopping around....I recently got my prices lowered from where I'm hosting now.....been there for a LONG time though....would take a helluva deal to make me move.
I wouldn't go through the hassle for a couple hundred a month.

ok fine

xeon 2.0 1 gig ram 120 gig hard drive 10 mps globalx/level3 blend

$199 fully managed 24/7 phone support we run our own colo in the garland building in downtown los angeles

Yeah, shopping around is a good idea. Hosting prices are coming down on a monthly basis, its so competitive, and there are so many providers, that competition makes it cheap! So do some shopping man, you will be suprised how cheap bandwidth is now. If your paying 2002 prices, I suggest you move now!

Well I'm not paying 2002 prices...but you have to remember, there's lots of competition but how many of those new competitors will be here in a year?

How many of them are one man operations that are reselling for someone else?

I want someone to answer the phone or respond to a support ticket at 3am....I want quality multi-homed bandwidth....there are alot of things to consider other than just price.

Small isn't always bad, we're only a 4 man shop but we've got round the clock coverage :)

I agree with you, but I think the hosts that have posted in here, namely webair, phatsevers, isprime, and a few others will be here a year from now! That is why in my thread I stated only reputable people, I don't want to take chances with a ere today gone tomorow host.

unfortuneatly thats the trend in the industry now with the availability of cheap servers every teenybopper with access to mommy and daddy's credit cards are starting a hosting company and vanishing at the first sign of trouble....

Damn kids make it tough for us legit small shops to get business :)

RIGHHHTTTTTT
there is no way in the world just the traffic costs are about $300 and thats for the crapiest traffic in the world

All the hosts with these prices are oversellers.. If anyone on here actually used what the hosts tells them they do they be thrown off the network.. People dont realize the hosts are showing them fake graphs and ripping them off.. Its rather comical.

Another person stuck back in 2002 :glugglug

I know this for a fact BTW because I get new people who sign up and say my old host said I used 20 mb so I need 20 mb.. I turn on their shit and everything propogates and the bandwidth shoots up to like a whole 3 mb and stays there.. And um yeah there ya go another lied to customer..

were paying 400 at www.m3server.com fair price good quality not cogent fast server good support and i think every reliable company can offer this for 400 give or take, the servermatrix etc ones arent for real, not if youre also focussing on outside the US

out of all the unmetereds I've ever sold not one person has been removed from the network for using what they've been sold. I do have some clients that had Servermatrix 20mbits that couldn't push near that because SM was maxed out on their two cogent gig-e's but thats what you get with sub-par transit and rock bottom prices... I can almost match cogent pricing with some decent Level(3) and Global Crossing b/w

heh, I've got one of those right now, purchased a 25mbps package and gets everythign up and going, spikes to roughly 6-7mbps but even on 95% he's still below 6mbps said he was using all 20mbps at his previous host... heh

ok so what is price on true Tier 1 traffic per meg?

Anyone selling this makes there money like this: (article posted on www.thewhir.com)

Scam: here is the biggest scam in the hosting industry in bandwidth resale. When you buy 1 Meg of traffic chances are you will not use a full 1 Meg for the entire month. It is also very likely that you will only use about 40-50%, but you may burst for few a minutes during high traffic peaks. What many hosting companies have done in the past and are still doing today, is take 2 different people that both pay for 1 Mbps and have them share the same Meg of allocated bandwidth. Basically, they are banking on the fact that when you burst the other company will probably not and vice versa. Therefore a hosting company can sell you bandwidth for $50 p/Mbps and sell it to another company at the same price making $100 p/Mbps.

Now many people say who cares? Well here is the reason why you should care. Have you ever typed in a url of a site you know exists, or a link on the site and it brings up ?The page can not be displayed?? Well what just happened is that secession that you just initiated did not have enough bandwidth to display, in hosting terms that is called packet loss. So how would you like for your customer to try to order something from your site and get that page over and over again? Well that is what will happen if both you and another person that shares your bandwidth have high traffic on both of your sites at the same time.

See its not just me..

I think its more of a future problem.. More of these fuckjob hosts (webair/phatservers) whoever will just get more and more greedy and sell more and more people the same bandwidth.. As the prices supposedly get cheaper and cheaper.. You all will suffer in the end and youhave only yourselves to blame.

Wow this thread got quiet

yah it did

*dead*

food comes before petty gfy arguements ;)

Quite simple, if you like to have a 10 Mbit uplink and want to be sure you really have the 10 Mbit and not shared bandwidth as mentioned before you are not going to have this for these extreme low prices. Just call Level3 for example or Interroute or any other good carrier and ask them what they are charging for 100 Mbit. As adulthoster we are having contracts with several carriers, investing in equipent like Juniper routers, foundry switches etc etc...
Any hoster which can make offers at these low prices are scamming. They won't deliver what they promise. Feel free to do business at this level but when you are serious about your business pls look for a serious host. It bothers me everytime to see people wanting to do business online but who are not willing to pay for a descent infrastructure.

are you saying that Phatservers and Webair are scamers? Who would you recommend that is good in your eyes

I also recommend doing business with people that speak and write in proper english and know how to spell.

Also, calling Level3 and asking what they charge for a 100meg drop won't give you any idea of what you should pay for bandwidth.
If you buy 5 gige lines you're going to get a much better rate than someone who buys 100megs.

Its the same as Wal Mart selling me cheese cheaper than I could buy it directly from Kraft for, even if I bought it by the case, and Wal-Mart still makes a profit.

Well at least my english is much better than your dutch. And calling level3 will give you a good idea of what the costs are hosts have to pay/invest to offer good quality. I won't advertise myself in this post but we are doing business with some major players. Guess why they don't mind paying a bit extra. And guess why they don't mind my english not be so fluent as yours.
Only wanted to express my ideas. You're getting what you pay for.

I can get Level(3) at $18/Meg, maybe $15.. direct from L3, just depends on your commits.

So calling and asking about a 100Meg commit is not going to get you anywhere, and you also need to know some reps to get the lower pricing.

If I would make this offer

Dual XEON 2.1 Ghz
1024 MB ECC RAM
68 GB SCSI HD
10 mbps Transfer
Fully Managed Server

For $399 I would have to find another job to pay my rent. Any other host who can seriously offer this needs to explain to me what I'm doing wrong.

I was not say that offer was one that I'd make or even saying its a good offer, I'd be very afraid if I was the customer wondering if my server was going to dissapear one night.


My point was that bandwidth depends on commitment level, thats the way it works, so you cant call Level3 and just ask for a 100mb commit price and compare it to your quote. It also depends on location, as pricing is sometimes location specific.


Everyone who wants cheap shit forgets about:

- buying switches
- buying routers
- buying parts for the routers and switches
- space costs
- power costs
- internal networking costs
- initial hardware costs (no matter what you want to believe, a server still does cost ~$700 (for a p4 2.8) if youre buying a real rackmount)
- replacement hardware costs (what if something goes bad, theres gotta be hotspare replacements)
- IP costs (they arnt free either)
- your fully managed service cost (people want money to be available to help customers who are whining)
- software license costs


tons of other shit... you think $399 covers it all? HAHA.

unlisted specials

$299.95/month
10Mbps Capped Port (approx. 3000GB of Bandwidth)
1x18GB SCSI (option to add more)
1x1.26GHz (option to add more)
512MB RAM (option to add more)
100% Fully Managed

499.95/month
20Mbps Port Burstable to 100Mbps (approx. 6300GB of Bandwidth)
1x18GB SCSI (option to add more)
1x1.26GHz (option to add more)
512MB RAM (option to add more)
100% Fully Managed

$1499.95/month
100Mbps
1x72GB SCSI (option to add more)
1x2.66GHz (option to add more)
1024MB RAM (option to add more)
100% Fully Managed

This is exactly what I ment. BTW add to the list the salary of supportengineers.

Just woke up here, was on your list already

Of course not....but you also said that you could get Level3 for $15 a meg with a big enough commitment.
So let's do the math.

On a 10meg capped line the customer will be able to use max 7 megs. Any more and their site will be too slow during peak times and they'll have to upgrade to another package with a bigger port.
So if they use 7megs (at 95th percentile) and they're paying you $399 then you're getting $57 a meg on bandwidth that you paid $15 for.
That's more than triple your cost....hell its almost quadruple.

As for hardware costs...well if this was your only customer then you'd have major problems....but if you have 100 guys with boxes like this (10 megs capped @$399) then you're taking in 40K a month for one gige commitment which according to your $15 figure before costs you 15K.
That's 35K a month over and above your bandwidth cost to maintain your hardware and pay your techs etc etc.

Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me....unless you only have 5 customers.

EXCELLENT
Excatly what I wanted to say but didnt have the time to

just like any other business, it's all about volume

webair is a fuckjob host?

Not possible, even if you commit to 2-3 gull gigs from one provider (not a smart idea) you will not get traffic cheaper then $15 a Meg. Now even though i did not take math in close to 10 years I still believe I can count. $15 per Meg X 100 Megs = $1,500
Plus lets say you have a server in stock and it?s paid for and you are willing not to charge for it (why wouldn't you?). You still have a fully managed option, and if you are truly managing the server you need to pay salary. And then like someone just said you have all these hidden costs if you truly are a hosting company, like power and space and salaries, etc.

So here is how you can sell it for this price:
- Cap your 100 Mbps client to about 50 Mbps
- Make sure to throw them on Cogent or HE line but allow them one shared IP from a different provider on the upstream side where it will point to Level3 or something like that
- Use one of your old workstations as a server

Once again when something seems too good to be true it usually is. But here is the kicker if you don?t care that you are being scammed what do you care?