We'll continue to offer CCBill as an option regardless of which backend solution we choose although I find it hard to believe that anyone would choose "CCBill only" over a "cascading solution that included CCBill".

Any particular reason why you would make this choice? This same question goes out to others who have made similar comments in this thread.

Why is it necessary to have the code if the company adds features as they are needed? How important is that really?

Z

After 2,5 years with MPA2 we came to realize which parts of the program a program owner should have open source to to do their own customization needs. So in MPA3 we opened up the most requested ones that would not directly interfer with the main source that protects vital functionalities of the program.

This now seems to have been a smart move. Customers can customize the things needed to do regular "business changes" when needed, and when special customization is needed they ask for a quote, get it, and we do it within the specified timeframe given. Works like a charm.

The DANGER of giving out the source code to "anyone" is that when something happens that needs attention in the form of support, WE, the creators of the software have no way of knowing what was done to the source by the customer, hence creating a confusion whereas to who is to "blame" or who is to "fix what was broken". It is a very cheap insurance and a way to create a comfort level that both sides can accept the terms of.

This is how we can be so damn good at support, having a MPA3 uptime that is unheard of in our industry, and custom work done that is unsurpassed by anyone.

PS. Check out the custom work we just did for www.adultlounge.com v4.0 ! :2 cents:

:pimp

Go with NATS, StudioCash has and we are extremely happy.

MPA3 are great people as well and have a good product.

I have heard nothing but good things about Partnersoft - many of the largest programs on the web use them and there must be a reason why....

Like I have told you, we use Nats for our affiliate program Sammy Smack and have been very happy with them and our program has only grown since switching over to them. The admin is easy to use and they have been helpful in working with us getting everything the way we need it.

What are you looking to gain by switching to a new affiliate program back end?

Jake as I said before Netbiling and Nats Combo with CCBill as a backup in your cascade is a great solution for you guys to go forth with.

Thanks for that Brett! We have a bunch of our merchants using all of the programs mentioned here with terrific results. I'm looking forward to seeing you in San Diego.

Mitch

These are just a few of the things we're looking to gain:
- Webmaster tools such as hosted gallery text link output in multiple formats, optional tours, and other marketing tools.
- Hoping to pick up that extra 5-20% in sales that most programs seem to realize when using a cascading solution.
- Integrated member management across all processors used in the cascade.
- MOST IMPORTANTLY: Diversification - It's just not a smart move to have all your eggs in one basket regardless of how secure that "basket" is.

We use Netbilling as our only processor and are very pleased and we do not have an affiliate program currently but are thinking of adding one.

Does cascading really add many sales when you have your own merchant account and are able to set your own fraud scrubbing levels? Does anyone have any data to show? Also, is anyone doing cascading for products sales or it is all memberships?

In your particular situation cascading may not do much to increase your bottom line from CC transactions however you may see an increase if you were to cascade from CC to Checks to Phone, etc?

I think a more important question is, what happens when your merchant bank decides they no longer want to process adult transactions? You've now lost 100% of your rebills. Yeah, your customer data is yours and you'll just move it to another processor, yada, yada, yada. It sounds great in theory however I'm quite sure it's not so seamless in the real world.

I'm thinking it would be a much better strategy to spread that risk across multiple processors. Additionally, if you loose your merchant bank for whatever reason and you have a true cascading solution you can immediately switch over to another processor in your cascade. So, you don't have any downtime waiting to set-up with a new processor. If nothing else, I would look at cascading as an "insurance policy".

Jake, you do NOT want to cascade from a CC procerror to a check processor. A true cascade should be only between CC processors be it gatway solutions or third party processors. You should also do a GeoIP lookup of your surfers and optimize your joinforms accordingly to maximize each and every potential customer to the best purchase platform for that individual.

And just by adding a true cascade in the mix, instead of using a single processor, you whould easily see 20% more joins. Some days more, som days less...

:2 cents:

Hi Oystein, just curious, why would you not suggest cascading from CC to Checks? CC directly to check might not be perfect, but if you have no other CC biller, why not at least try to do the sale via Checks?

Also, I was curious there in general, can you tell me what you mean by "true" cascade? Never fully understand your point of view on what a "true" cascade is.

Thanks!

nevermind...

I simply convert better with ccbill only programs. Great to see you keep the ccbill option regardless :thumbsup

as long as ALL OLD links work I do not care lol. BUT I like CCBILL programs and use them more than anything else. It just makes everything easy in the end, but you will have everybody saying this about whatever proggy you use.

Whatever you decide. I will continue promoting you.
The program has been good to me.

as it has to a lot of other wms :thumbsup

Jake we have great results with using NATS, great support and almost no problems ever.

If you you wanna talk more feel free to hit me up on icq bro

Ive seen your ratio's before and they rocked, it can only get better with cashcading. :thumbsup

I want to learn more about Executive Stats. I know enough about NATS and MPA but have no experience with Brad's software.

Cheers,

Brad

And we greatly appreciate your traffic! :thumbsup

Fetish
I use netbilling also.
If you have the fraud stuff set to low or none (as I do) then your not scrubbing and thus no reason to try to get the surfer approved through another billing company, if he gets a decline, then its because of his card, sending him to another processor probably will not make a difference. No money is no money no matter what processor your going through and if he does not have have moeny, I defiently do not want him trying to float a check and have it bounce. cascading is probably good for 3rd party processors because they have such huge fraud lists and someone may have ended up on the list by accident (ie .. site is a rip off, wants refund, denied, chargesback.. or something to that effect)

cascading will not work between cards and checks because true cascading should be seamless, the customer should not know he was declined by one and passed to the other. if "cascading to checks" the customer would have to refill in all the information - not seamless so its not cascading, its just forwarded to another payment option.

If your merchant bank decides to close its doors to adult businesses, netbilling has all your rebilling info, you simply put in your other merchant ID and continue on without missing a beat. your not going to lose all that money, like people using Ibill might and people who got ripped by DMR several years ago. If you do not have a second merchant account just for that reason, it may be a good idea if you think your bank will close.
:2 cents:

Hey Nick, it was great seeing you again in Phoenix! Glad you're pleased with our ratios. :)

allie is just so beautifull that she sells no matter what.
As for program Jake please hit me up me on on icq when you have the time

We have a merchant account through Merrick bank (same as CCbill from what I am told), Humboldt, and offshore all running through Netbilling. So if one happens to not want to do adult anymore, we have other to simply plug into the merchant account field in the Netbilling admin and away we go with no loss of revenue.

Z

i would go with whichever one didnt come to this thread begging for business. :2 cents:

Hit Greg up for a demo. It speaks for itself.

Has anyone used Taboo revenue for affiliate tracking? I know it is relatively inexpensive.

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That would be my choice, oh wait it is :)