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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 04-12-2005 10:20 AM

50 stolen pix.


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sweetcuties 04-12-2005 10:21 AM

this biz is funny :2 cents:

CDSmith 04-12-2005 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaddam IV
Let me get this straight:

Franck aka Battuss aka Spammer who sells fake Rolexes, made a page with stolen content. Someone in turn stole this page and now Franck is crying about it ?

Say it ain't so.

No no man, it's not about the content.. it's the design. THE DESIGN!!




(( :1orglaugh ))

cherrylula 04-12-2005 10:23 AM

well if I ever get the urge to steal pics, I know who's sites to visit. ;)

swedguy 04-12-2005 10:24 AM

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

SmokeyTheBear 04-12-2005 10:27 AM

Sometimes you get way to worked up battuss..

I thought you meant an actual webpage not a page like that. :)

I'm sure he just used a copy of your page for a temp thing. Why would you contact his host ? And what would you say ?

Anyways i know it irks people when others do this ( copy pages ) , but unless its something high profile i would just be flattered if anything.

hornycash 04-12-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith
No no man, it's not about the content.. it's the design. THE DESIGN!!




(( :1orglaugh ))


design?? did i miss something? :1orglaugh

CDSmith 04-12-2005 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedguy
People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Yes, and they should be good-looking, naked, and female.

Rich 04-12-2005 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Oh, its one of Dugmors domains, maybe its one of his employees (at least that will be the story in the end anyway).

It was a technical problem, they're working on it right now. :1orglaugh

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Sometimes you get way to worked up battuss..

I thought you meant an actual webpage not a page like that. :)

I'm sure he just used a copy of your page for a temp thing. Why would you contact his host ? And what would you say ?

Anyways i know it irks people when others do this ( copy pages ) , but unless its something high profile i would just be flattered if anything.

Its not about the pics, those arent mine, everybody can take those and everybody is doing so.
Its about the keywords and just the fact that i considered him a friend. That page is so simply to make, who does he copy and paste it and use the same words? Its lame.

And i said from the start it was something simple and no big deal.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Sometimes you get way to worked up battuss..

I thought you meant an actual webpage not a page like that. :)

I'm sure he just used a copy of your page for a temp thing. Why would you contact his host ? And what would you say ?

Anyways i know it irks people when others do this ( copy pages ) , but unless its something high profile i would just be flattered if anything.

So you wouldnt mind if i rip your se pages here and there? As long as they dont have a nice design. Thanks, noted.

Donny 04-12-2005 10:33 AM

Thanks for your link. I was going to steal those pics of Vida off Dugmor's site and rebrand them for my blog, but now I have the unbranded pics.

Thanks again Franck. I appreciate that. It saves me a lot of work having to manually brand them to cover Dugmor's watermark.

Creating page now.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips
Thanks for your link. I was going to steal those pics of Vida off Dugmor's site and rebrand them for my blog, but now I have the unbranded pics.

Thanks again Franck. I appreciate that. It saves me a lot of work having to manually brand them to cover Dugmor's watermark.

Creating page now.

Uh dude, feel very free, like i said those arent mine and can be found everywhere by now...just dont rip my page and keywords.

DarkJedi 04-12-2005 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its not about the pics, those arent mine, everybody can take those and everybody is doing so.

That's a very funny logic.
So if everytone esle is stealing content it's okay for you to do so too ?

LOL, and you had been bitching at me for several months for stealing your "gallery". Holy shit.

crockett 04-12-2005 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Where do i report to google?
I already mailed his host.

Cant believe im doing this to a "buddy" but he should know not to fuck with me.

Oh, its one of Dugmors domains, maybe its one of his employees (at least that will be the story in the end anyway).


Ahh common man, I know it must suck to have a site ripped.. But I highly doubt Dugmor did it himself. Think about it.. He's always off doing this or that at some party or convention. I'm pretty sure he's not building his own pages these days I highly doubt he has the time.

It's very likely an employee that did this which doesn't make it any better but it could happen to any program.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi
That's a very funny logic.
So if everytone esle is stealing content it's okay for you to do so too ?

LOL, and you had been bitching at me for several months for stealing your "gallery". Holy shit.

I would never steal a gallery or "real" content...you know that damn well fag...stop creating cheap drama.

DarkJedi 04-12-2005 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett
Ahh common man, I know it must suck to have a site ripped.. But I highly doubt Dugmor did it himself. Think about it.. He's always off doing this or that at some party or convention. I'm pretty sure he's not building his own pages these days I highly doubt he has the time.

It's very likely an employee that did this which doesn't make it any better but it could happen to any program.

Indeed.
Thats what happened to me. I was paying my younger brother $20 a week fir making galleries for me. He stole Francks "design" (4 rows of pics slapped on sponsor background: http://teenportals.com/tgp/teen/faith/ )

I'm still getting shit for that from GFY.

Seem people have hard time understanding that 3rd world employees sometimes looks for shortcuts and fuck things up for you.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi
Indeed.
Thats what happened to me. I was paying my younger brother $20 a week fir making galleries for me. He stole Francks "design" (4 rows of pics slapped on sponsor background: http://teenportals.com/tgp/teen/faith/ )

I'm still getting shit for that from GFY.

Seem people have hard time understanding that 3rd world employees sometimes looks for shortcuts and fuck things up for you.


I thought you hated me for mentioning that several times...now you do it yourself. Dont bitch at me when people bring this up again dude...i dropped it long time ago already.

SmokeyTheBear 04-12-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
So you wouldnt mind if i rip your se pages here and there? As long as they dont have a nice design. Thanks, noted.


Not really , ( This is not permission heh )

When i hade the paris hilton hacked page up , quite a few people copied me , and i didnt really care

I do understand your point , ( that its the principle ), but im sure you could have waited until you heard from him before contacting his host if its not that big of a deal to you.

Rhino22 04-12-2005 10:42 AM

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Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

When i hade the paris hilton hacked page up


You have a license for those pics? :1orglaugh

j/k

Anyway, why should i wait if someone steals my page and give him the benefit of the doubt? What doubt is there. Just dont steal my fucking page be it big or not and i wont contact your host...its quite simple you know.

SmokeyTheBear 04-12-2005 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
You have a license for those pics? :1orglaugh

j/k

Anyway, why should i wait if someone steals my page and give him the benefit of the doubt? What doubt is there. Just dont steal my fucking page be it big or not and i wont contact your host...its quite simple you know.


Actually it wasnt the pics it was voice recordings made by me and quantum-x and covered by a copyright notice clearly visible on my page :)

And as far as why not to report to someone's host over something trivial and unimportant before contacting them ?

Because even in the strangest circumstances there are reasonable explanations.

Like lets just say like darkjedi it was an employee who simply made the page
as a mirror for your page and was going to contact you in the morning and ask you if you wanted a mirror for your site ( yes i know this obviously doesnt fit your scenario, but hallucinate with me for a sec here ) So you contact the host , and the only person on is some wierdo inbred moron who shuts the whole account off because he doesnt know what to do , and causes dugmor to lose thousand of dollars.

Granted this ISN'T the case , it could be , and why ruin someone's day for something trivial.. This thread is twice the damage contacting the host is PERSONALLY but not FINANCIALLY , and seeing as how he hurt you PERSONALLY and not FINANCIALLY , it seems fair enough

Doctor Dre 04-12-2005 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Yup :/ It is so...and im dissapointed in Dugmor.

Cauz he stole the source code ? I agree it's not cool to leave it like that ... but this content is all over

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
Actually it wasnt the pics it was voice recordings made by me and quantum-x and covered by a copyright notice clearly visible on my page :)

And as far as why not to report to someone's host over something trivial and unimportant before contacting them ?

Because even in the strangest circumstances there are reasonable explanations.

Like lets just say like darkjedi it was an employee who simply made the page
as a mirror for your page and was going to contact you in the morning and ask you if you wanted a mirror for your site ( yes i know this obviously doesnt fit your scenario, but hallucinate with me for a sec here ) So you contact the host , and the only person on is some wierdo inbred moron who shuts the whole account off because he doesnt know what to do , and causes dugmor to lose thousand of dollars.

Granted this ISN'T the case , it could be , and why ruin someone's day for something trivial.. This thread is twice the damage contacting the host is PERSONALLY but not FINANCIALLY , and seeing as how he hurt you PERSONALLY and not FINANCIALLY , it seems fair enough

I contacted Dugmor first but he wasnt online...should i just wait and sit here till he gets back at me to hear how "an employee" accidentally stole the page.

No, a page doesnt end up accidenlty on someone elses server...period. Dont steal my page and i wont contact your host.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Cauz he stole the source code ? I agree it's not cool to leave it like that ... but this content is all over


Thats what i said you canadian punk...i dont give a rats ass about the content because by now its on at least 3000 boards and pages.

jonpotz 04-12-2005 10:58 AM

those pics weren't even stolen...it was a publicity stunt done by Vida to get more attention to her.

i know this.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:59 AM

His stealing of my keywords *might* get him a ranking in the SE's above me, maybe not...but it could cost me money, maybe nothing, maybe a lot. No, i dont see any reason why not to contact his host.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonpotz
those pics weren't even stolen...it was a publicity stunt done by Vida to get more attention to her.

i know this.


Youre so pimp.

Basic_man 04-12-2005 11:00 AM

This thread is very entertaining !

Fletch XXX 04-12-2005 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Thats what i said you canadian punk...i dont give a rats ass about the content because by now its on at least 3000 boards and pages.


this can be said about lots of content.

I dont t5hink stealing content is cool,, just because its "used"

Someone, not you guys, owns the rights to those photographs. Not the person in them.

I never understand how people can sit here and think that content like this is any different than content that people shoot themselves.

you guys stole that "butt girls" pics and put them up on pages, and made sign ups, and you guys do it with lots of content.

this shit is no different than the regular old content stealers on the Hun.

bigdog 04-12-2005 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF
He won't answer...that's how Negroes are.

Dugmor is not a negro,consider they type of money he proably makes and where he lives.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
this can be said about lots of content.

I dont t5hink stealing content is cool,, just because its "used"

Someone, not you guys, owns the rights to those photographs. Not the person in them.

I never understand how people can sit here and think that content like this is any different than content that people shoot themselves.

you guys stole that "butt girls" pics and put them up on pages, and made sign ups, and you guys do it with lots of content.

this shit is no different than the regular old content stealers on the Hun.


Youre quite right and i know in the end im wrong because the content isnt mine. But personally i see a difference between putting these pics up on a free page and stealing sponsor content or a photostudio content to use it on the hun but you dont have to agree with that :)

SmokeyTheBear 04-12-2005 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
No, a page doesnt end up accidenlty on someone elses server...period. Dont steal my page and i wont contact your host.


I explained that part , what if he made you a mirror , or planned on buying one of your domains and figured you wouldnt care/would be flattered ..

Either way , on ANY OTHER page you might have a point, but on a page about a hacked cellphone with nude pics you dont own, i dont think your argument would get too much sympathy :)

LadyMischief 04-12-2005 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Its not about the pics, those arent mine, everybody can take those and everybody is doing so.
Its about the keywords and just the fact that i considered him a friend. That page is so simply to make, who does he copy and paste it and use the same words? Its lame.

And i said from the start it was something simple and no big deal.


So let me get this straight... You are freaking because someone "stole" your template, yet you are using stolen images? And there is NO SUCH THING as "Public domain", those images are still copyrighted and you are still liable for using them, especially if you are profiting from them.

Uh huh.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg

Fletch XXX 04-12-2005 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Youre quite right

I know.

And guess what, there are celeb gatherings near me and I have attended and even have celeb photos, guess what - you cant steal them. You may THINk they are for public use, but I own exclusive rights to them, even if they are celebs.

I dont know why people think this is any different than if I stole your assterdam content.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:09 AM

Fletch, just wondering though, maybe by now those pics are hotlinked on your forum...and i bet in the past several pics were hotlinked on your forum...do you delete those?

What about the tons of pics you hotlinked on this forum...

Is that any different?

LadyMischief 04-12-2005 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
this can be said about lots of content.

I dont t5hink stealing content is cool,, just because its "used"

Someone, not you guys, owns the rights to those photographs. Not the person in them.

I never understand how people can sit here and think that content like this is any different than content that people shoot themselves.

you guys stole that "butt girls" pics and put them up on pages, and made sign ups, and you guys do it with lots of content.

this shit is no different than the regular old content stealers on the Hun.


Actually from a legal standpoint, if there is no valid model release related to the photos, they DO belong to who is in them, and without a valid license agreement, anyone using the images can be sued not only for copyright infringement, but also using the person's image without permission, profiting from them (the person profiting from them can be sued for all the profit related to the use of the pictures, PLUS damages) and more.

I agree 100% about not being different from stealing from the Hun. It's still illegal. The only thing Franck has going for him is he is outside the US, otherwise the 2257 requirements associated with adult images alone would put him in jail for a long time. Definitely a bad thing for the industry in general.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Actually from a legal standpoint, if there is no valid model release related to the photos, they DO belong to who is in them, and without a valid license agreement, anyone using the images can be sued not only for copyright infringement, but also using the person's image without permission, profiting from them (the person profiting from them can be sued for all the profit related to the use of the pictures, PLUS damages) and more.


Yup, youre right.

Fletch XXX 04-12-2005 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Fletch, just wondering though, maybe by now those pics are hotlinked on your forum...and i bet in the past several pics were hotlinked on your forum...do you delete those?

this has nothing to do with me.

ask lens the same.

and no, my board is not filled with people making paris hilton threads or vida whatever.

i have not seen the pics to be honest, just going on what is said here.

my board (DMPM) has nothing to do with this. public message boards are a bit dfifferent than actually taking pics and making money with them. ;)

LadyMischief 04-12-2005 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Fletch, just wondering though, maybe by now those pics are hotlinked on your forum...and i bet in the past several pics were hotlinked on your forum...do you delete those?

What about the tons of pics you hotlinked on this forum...

Is that any different?


Posting images to a forum can and may fall under "fair use" laws, depending on the context, and whether or not a tangible profit is made from the images. In your use of the images, it's evident that you are using them TO make a profit, not to contribute to a discussion or write an article about them.

Martin 04-12-2005 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetcuties
this biz is funny :2 cents:

Gets better everyday too...

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:12 AM

Fletch, i hate to go this way, especially with you but just to defend myself, youre sharing big amounts of mp3's....see what im heading at?

You feel its alright because its just for fun, just for friends...you dont burn them on cd's and sell them, that would make you feel bad.

CDSmith 04-12-2005 11:12 AM

There's a lesson here for some of you.



(hint: don't steal)

Fletch XXX 04-12-2005 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Fletch, i hate to go this way, especially with you but just to defend myself, youre sharing big amounts of mp3's....see what im heading at?

i trade a couple mp3s with people, this is totally not the same. You may be going somewhere but its the wrong direction.

You profit, i trade songs with fans.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

anyway, im done here,.. i just wanted to share my opoinion, I have no desire to argue with you.

Im just sick and tired of hypocrits here. One minute they fighting for this and that, next thing stealing content for profit.

ill let you and lady Mischief settle this, my opinion doesnt matter,.

DarkJedi 04-12-2005 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Fletch, i hate to go this way, especially with you but just to defend myself, youre sharing big amounts of mp3's....see what im heading at?

You feel its alright because its just for fun, just for friends...you dont burn them on cd's and sell them, that would make you feel bad.

He owns the original CDs.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
this has nothing to do with me.

ask lens the same.

and no, my board is not filled with people making paris hilton threads or vida whatever.

i have not seen the pics to be honest, just going on what is said here.

my board (DMPM) has nothing to do with this. public message boards are a bit dfifferent than actually taking pics and making money with them. ;)


ok...fair enough.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi
He owns the oroginal CDs.

So fucking what? Does that mean youre allowed to rip them and upload them and share them online?

Dont get me wrong i share mp3's as well, just trying to defend myself here :)

LadyMischief 04-12-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Fletch, i hate to go this way, especially with you but just to defend myself, youre sharing big amounts of mp3's....see what im heading at?

You feel its alright because its just for fun, just for friends...you dont burn them on cd's and sell them, that would make you feel bad.


Dear, pointing out that someone else may be infringing on copyrights doesn't mean that you doing it is any LESS wrong. I'm actually quite surprised, being that you are a content producer, that you would do that kind of thing. If you're willing to take the legal ramifications, so be it, but you are setting a bad example for the industry in general, as are all people who use such images in this way. Not bashing on you, just hoping that people won't just randomly follow your example. Who knows, the next pics you or someone else from here uses might be mine, or some other producer's content. It's pretty black and white, there are few shades of grey in copyright law.

Dirty F 04-12-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
i trade a couple mp3s with people, this is totally not the same. You may be going somewhere but its the wrong direction.

You profit, i trade songs with fans.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

No you share 100's or even 1000's of mp3's which is costing the music industry millions, maybe even billions every year. (from all the sharing combined ofcourse). I agree youre not making profit but youre making someone else lose a lot of money...

Silent_Thunder 04-12-2005 11:18 AM

Franck,
if such a little misunderstanding broked your friendship with Dugmor, you dont even know what a friendship is :1orglaugh


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