Nope. He will get the license and what he needs for 2257 compliance but since he decided to try to attack me, my character, and my business reputation.....I see no reason for me to overlook his carelessness in regard to the other legal matter.

Now....Payment in full along with a formal public apology may just buy him some leniency.

i still dont get why a content provider would buy content from another provider... is this all fake just to bump each other? please explain..

Donny has several paysites.

i have been reading... from what i've read the agreement was for him to launch and make some cash before he can pay the rest... and the paperwork would help for him to do so..

I'm no "newb" but if I was buying girl next door types and knowing Aaron's work from purchasing from him in the past I would not have expected those girls.
I'm not even thinking hot teens, I'm thinking cute average looking teens..without a wild side.
Bridget, and Chastity come to mind...Bridget was by no means hot. Had really small tits..and would be considered skinny in some people's eyes..but she sold like hot cakes because she looked like the avg girl next door and improved when she dolled up in the pics.
Now I don't know what else is in the 750 sets he bought...I can't even begin to make an opinion on that...just making an opinion on these pics.
However I would like to say..when you buy a bulk deal...you have to take the good with the bad..so if it's only 14 sets out of 750...not that big of a deal...but if it were the other way around I too would be upset.

an apology for what? you provoking me to post the samples and then sue because of it?

Apparantly AaronM would rather hold someone back and be Mr. Big Shot then just go ahead and give the kid the license.

Actually, We agreed that you would launch your solo site and use that money to pay me.

Session Start (ICQ - AaronM:sonofsam: Sat Apr 16
[23:30] sonofsam: i'm not sure if you got my previous messages, but the tour text etc gets finished on monday... then approval from ccbill which will take a couple days, then i'll try and get the remainder to you as fast as possible
[23:31] AaronM: Nope...missed that note.

That's cool.
[23:31] sonofsam: and i'm gonna be posting on gfy about getting partner accounts... so please don't take it as i have a bunch of money but just not paying... i have like 150 left that im gonna buy partner accounts with for some traffic
[23:32] sonofsam: just letting you know ahead of time, so that when u see it, u don't get surpised
[23:32] sonofsam: cool?
[23:32] AaronM: No problem.





Now....How much more understanding and giving do you people expect me to be?

totally agree with you
he's not satisfied with the content, simple refund and everything is solved

If that shit lived next door to me I'd move. :1orglaugh As for them being average looking they aren't even close. Girl Next Door is the girl that lives on your street you want to fuck - she has to be doable!!!

Sonofsam:

I don't normally get involved in these things. Aaron does well enough on his own without me; but, in this case, I am NOT posting as his friend. I have given Aaron business advice in the past and, as I respect him, he also respects me.

I'm going to tell you that every step of the way was predicted by Aaron...as if you were following this newbie script...from your uber enthusiasm about the content....damn...you couldn't get enough of it....if I recall, Aaron had to slow YOU down a little, with all the spending you were about to do......you were all over the place...If I recall, he even recommended me to you, as a consultant to create a solid business plan......because you were like a kid in a candy store...

From there...with all of your excitement....especially about his content, which, miracle of miracles , went from quality to crap...and, yes, I'm aware that you are not talking about the quality of the images. You are talking about the fact that you didn't get what you expected....which, as I recall, from past conversations.....you were told exactly what to expect.
You were shown what you would get with this content. You were treated professionally and you were expected to act in a professional manner, as we all are.

Then, you burdened Aaron with the fact that you had overextended yourself and you wanted a refund.

At that point, your content had been mailed and Canadian Customs was in the process of perusing your content, as they are wont to do. I've sent packages all over the world. Apparently, the Customs guys in Canada particularly like Aaron's content and everyone else's, for that matter, so sometimes it takes a little longer than expected to get over the border. Shame on them for being such perverts; but, hell, their job can't be all that wonderful, so we give them the benefit of the doubt

You now have the content, for which you still owe Aaron the final payment. WHICH. He probably would have allowed you some time, as we spoke about it, EXCEPT you started whining about how overextended you were.....you were apologising, do you remember that?

You knew there was goth. You knew there was pregnant and whatever else the content contained, because he showed you the list before you bought it.

Others have bought Aaron's content and this is the first time I have EVER heard anyone complain and to this extent.

You asked for girl next door. You got girl next door. You decide it's not girl-next-door, have all 60,000 images in your possession on CD (which you could easily have copied onto your harddrives) and now want a refund without paying the entire invoice.

Do I have this right so far?

Like Aaron, I have a no-returns policy. If you don't like it deal with those who will give your refunds. I don't. Aaron doesn't. Others do. So fucking what?

Here in town I can return almost anythng to Walmart. Yet the local mom-and-pop stores don't let me return shit. It's all matter of policy.

why don't you post the stuff about "i pay you once my site goes up and starts making sales" ?

i see it the exact same way, and the samples i saw.. were JUST that

DonnysGirls.com = content by me.

AmateurMarket.net = content shot by others, with a few of my sets mixed in from time to time.

It's an easy way to increase my revenue with existing members. They liked DonnysGirls.com so I start another site showing them content from friends of mine. Stuff that I like to look at. Most of them join the other site too.

It's good for retention.

Sure does sound like it doesn't it!

bullshit, when i asked for a refund after a month of waiting... i said 4 times in that one message.. if you say no its fine i understand.. but i even offered 500 for the time if he DID refund me... but i still said.. if you dont want to refund... thats fine... just please get me a tracking number...

Oh yeah...Because I so love it when I get publicly trashed on the biggest Adult Webmaster board on the planet. :thumbsup

/sarcasm

show me where aaron told me there was goth content... that there was pregnant content... show me the list that he showed me that there were girls with armpit hair

aaron showed me a sample site on ampcontent.com and it had about 10 sets up, of teens... teens that were hot.

There was no reason to refund, Donovan. He was happier than Squirt the Wonder Clam UNTIL he realised he was overextended.

Now, how is that Aaron's problem? That this guy got overextended?

you're a retard.... rad the thread slowly and carefully and maybe take some notes..... he was shown sets different from what he got... you get that or should slow it down some more? .... i always refund my clients if they are unhappy with my work... that's the way things work... its called customer service.. most important thing.... without papers he can't do shit with the sets anyways, let him have 'copied all the work to his harddrive' no good to him... let them resolve this issue... im sure they can come to a compromise..

Exactly.

Do you recall the banner I ran on GFY about 1.5 years ago for a bulk deal? It said: "The good, the bad, and the ugly."

Well...That's exactly how I ALWAYS advertise my bulk deals.

As for Bridget and Chastity......The package included 31 sets of Bridget and 20 sets of Chastity.

He chose to post the ugliest chicks in an attempt to make me look bad.

this is the first mention of "teen solo" in this thread.... so basically you WERE expecting Tawnee Stone type of stuff.
Sorry to say that all girls in the world aren't centerfolds, particularly the girls next door.

There's a reason that Lightspeed doesn't have 450 solo girls.... there just aren't that many handily available to be in front of your camera.

If you do want 450 girls, you get some that are 8's and some that are 3's. Hopefully the average is higher than 5 or 6.

And to be honest, the girl next door... well, I'm not sure about your neighborhood, but a lot of them tend to not be perfectly smooth un-tattoo'd skinned, toned, athletic, innocent looking teens.

This thread drove me to drink

Unfortunately, you're not in the loop. He was not shown different sets than what he got. He was shown samples of what he was getting. He was told what to expect.

You're the one who isn't listening.

He is overextended financially. He loved the content right up until that point.

And, that's the point of this whole thing. This is not about refunding or not refunding. This is a purely unadulterated attack.

Aaron did not misrepresent himself. Sonofsam, however, is misrepresenting himself and what is really going on here.....the guy overspent.......three little words.

Are you smoking crack?

I showed you WAY more than that.

I don't have Aaron's permission to post numbers either, but I'm going to anyway. I paid $8,000 US for what you paid $4,500 Canadian. I thought awhile before posting those numbers because I don't want others I purchase content from thinking I'll pay more for their content than others.

I purchased this content a short time before you did and paid what it's worth. Aaron explained in detail what the package contained. I don't understand why he wouldn't have done the same with you. It's more likely that you were so excited with the deal you were getting that you said, "oh, I don't mind that" when he mentioned to you that out of **140 MODELS** there were a few uglies. He made that fucking CRYSTAL CLEAR to me, as I'm positive he did to you. In my case it was a plus because the uglies always do well for me.

The reason I mentioned your age before is because those of us who are a little older remember how we thought we were the King of the Mountain at age 18 and 19 yet now realized we were only Fools on a Hill. I was putting a little perspective in this thread.

Newsflash and valuable advice: when your program is finally up and running you'll see that the demographics of your paying customers are not your age. Aaron, Baddog, Raven, myself and others all know what converts for the people who have the money and willingness to buy a porn membership. Stop basing what you want on your personal preferences or you won't be around long.

That is a flat out lie.

No sugar coating.....Just telling it like it is.

lets do a knife fight.... first to draw blood wins :thumbsup

i thought you shaved? :1orglaugh

150..........

Yep, he did overspend. He's also willing to do what it takes to pay the money back. He obviously doesn't have the money now, but instead of running (like many people do), he's willing to own up to his actions. Damn, if even a portion of my dead beat clients were willing to step-up and do what it takes to pay their bill, I would be ecstatic.

Hey dumb fuck... maybe it is you who needs to take time out for comprehension:

I know what the fuck is in this package because I fucking purchased the same package. Aaron only sells one package. If he was shown a model, she was in the package. If he saw a hot model, he has the hot model. I saw the good bad and ugly before buying.

Out of 140 fucking models he shows 14 that he doesn't like? What about the other 126 models?

BINGO!!!

Jesus why do you keep bringing this up. I'll pay you for that handjob in Phoenix.
:disgust

you guys keep saying you showed me the content of the bald girls, goth girls, bbw girls, and pregnant set... show me... where did you show me?

i'm not gonna take sides here... just going by what's been said.... it's pretty much come down to 'he said/she said' ....either way what i think or say wont chane anything... i wish both of you good luck and may the force be with you :pimp

I would LOVE to know how I gave you a handjob. I typically don't carry around my magnifying glass.

I can't imagine spending thousands of dollars on content without getting a detailed summary of what the purchase would include. I've bought bulk packages before & yes, there are usually at least a few sets in niches I don't push. But before I buy I make sure there are also enough sets of girls I can use, making the purchase worthwhile. This should be common sense!

14 sets out of 700+ is an acceptable margin. At less than $10 a set, 14 out of 100 is an acceptable margin.

:2 cents:

(BTW, I'm not defending Aaron in any way, shape or form. I think he's being a complete prick, but it's also within his rights to do so. For future reference, an ICQ log is not a binding contract.)

i don't fuck people over... ever... a well known gfyer sent me a wire of 750 during the period that we had problems... and this was like while i was 1 month on the forum.. i could have just took off with it.. but i didn't... even though we had problems at the time i still kept my side of the deal...

plus... its not like im not holding my end of the deal... the deal was.. i pay him once i got my site up and established...he knew that RIGHT after i wired him 4500CDN a month ago... its not like its NEWS to him... right after i wired the money... he told me i still owed 800US since he wanted 4500 CDN... and i told him i didn't have it.. thats when we made the deal that i would pay him once my site got up and established