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i did, just above my comment.

Make a point about what i said. This is a debate. I make an arguement now prove to me that what i said is stupid/wrong. Dont just insult me.

"its going to happen no matter what" makes it ok? it happened 150 years ago so its ok? lets bring back slavery if thats the case... starting with you
didnt "arranged marriages" happen between 13-15 year old girls and 25-30 year old men? thats ok too? give me a break. i cant believe you see no problem with 13 year olds having sex. you're probably have no problem looking at 13 year old "art" aswell. you need to wake the fuck up.

Have you seen the crap they try to pass off as information about drugs and alcohol? It's in the same realm as abstinance teachings. They try to scare the shit out of kids with lies, misinformation and misrepresentations. No fucking wonder no kid believes anything adults tell them and make shitty decisions. They can't possibly make an informed decision after these processes.

Did I say that weed wasn't a drug? Every time you've tried to argue some dumbass point with me you've realized you had shoved your foot in your mouth. Well you have again. Here is what you said:

I said even shitty weed wouldn't kill their children.

what would you recommend then? pass out free samples to all the kids so they can experience it themselves? id rather have them taught drinking and doing coke can kill you then its a wonder ride that can be enjoyed by all.

Absolutely not. Where would you possibly get an idea of such an extreme? Inform kids with honest information. Tell them about the negative consequences, tell them about the positives. You can give information to them in an unbiased manner. Scare tactics don't work. They never have. Kid's (generally) are not dumb. They can see through bullshit, maybe not at first, but they will. They will see that they were lied to. They will see that weed will not kill them or even ruin their lives. If you'd rather raise your kids lying to them in order to scare them to death to keep them in line then I feel bad for your kids.

Several of you seem to be blaming the parents, but I noticed that the article states:

"Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state..."

Doesn't that mean that she doesn't have any parental supervision? If so, that would explain a lot.

lets pay more in taxes to support these people who are the result of irresponsible acts! :thumbsup

Wow... that is fucked. She lacks the maturity to have an abortion but has the maturity to be a motherr? WTF?

Though I should not laugh at that, I will... :1orglaugh

Why not shoot her? It will save us all a lot of tax money when she decides to get pregnant 4 more times in the next 4 years.

I am pro choice....HOWEVER we're talking about a child...and yeah you can put up all the BS arguments about how she might not be able to talk to her parents etc...but the simple fact is she still is a child.
She could not go and order selective surgery on her own.
Hell she can't even see an R-Rated movie..but she should be allowed the choice to terminate a pregnancy?
Ridiculous.
Now...once again HOWEVER since she is a ward of the state she should be pointed a guardian ad-litem...and then maybe put her through a series of counseling sessions where the pros and cons can be discussed rationally and then let her make her choice and the guardian ad -litem can help her pursue that choice.

I think what he's getting at and I can agree is that when the scare tactics are exaggerated and someone finds out a puff on a joint isn't going to kill you the trust factor is lost between the child and parent.

Of course coke can kill you..but parents shouldn't lump all drugs under the "can kill you" flag.

Be honest about what can happen, where taking those dangerous roads can lead.

Umm I really doubt after 10+ abortions a year she'd still be able to get pregnant

Hmm since she was a ward of the court i.e. an orphan, foster kid, juvy, ect. Then would the state/court also be responsible for lack of supervision and allowing a 13 year old to engage in sexual acts?

The abortion element is clear cut, just like in the Shiavo case. The courts have over stepped their boundries and should get slapped down immediatly before it becomes to late for this teenager to have an abortion.

This does not matter if you think abortions should or should not be legal, or for what reasons and so on. This is again about a present law that should be followed, end of story. Though we do know it will get very political unless by some off chance the republicans have learned their lesson from last time.

Stop digging yourself into a bigger ditch.

Dumbass. Here is what you said


Now can you honestly say that pot/weed is harmless? Huh idiot? Can ya?

I wouldn't be calling anyone dumb after saying this :

"Problem - Kids are going to smoke pot anyways
Solution - Buy the pot for them so you know they are getting good stuff and not some shit that might kill them"

You've already voted yourself off rational argument island.

Absolutely.

As far as causing physical harm and more to the point your quote that it 'will kill them' absofuckinglutely. Can pot harm someone to the point of killing them? no. I still have no clue where you got that I had said that pot isnt a drug. I'll take your apology anytime you want to give it. :thumbsup

I'm reasonably certain that arguing is going to be an excersize in futility. What was this guy's nick before he changed it a month or 2 ago?

Why has this thread turned from abortion to weed?

Tangents are fun!

So the child is yours then?

i thought neo-cons were against higher taxes. This girl is a ward of the state, it's taxpayers that are going to pay to raise this baby.

the baby in 15 years:

"So mom, it took the florida state to intervene to stop you aborting me"

can you feel the love? what a great environment to be growing up in, an irresponsible underage ward of the state mother that didn't want you..

once you mature you'll understand that a 13yr old does what it's parents think is best not what some asshole from the aclu thinks is best.

she ran away while in the custody of the children and family dept of Florida

Just wonder what is more dangerous for 13yo girl to make abortion or to give birth to a child?

Assuming the law required a minor to have approval, in this instance it does not so even if she had parents they could not prevent her.
Do not blame the ACLU blame the asshole who ignored state law.

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You only read half my post. I said that thinking in the way i just gave is a stupid act.

But its okay. You made a mistake, but im gald you agree with me.

Lets meet half way. Different people's bodies react differently to different drugs.
Will taking pot kill someone, probably not. But is it possible? Yes.

No. Find me one case where trying marijuana once caused the death of anyone ever anywhere. Will it kill someone? NO. I don't care how sensitive you are to tetrahydrocannabinoids (THC). It's impossible to OD on it without totally extraordinary and artificial means beyond belief. There is no halfway.

The Drug Awareness Warning Network Annual Report, published by the US federal government contains a statistical compilation of all drug deaths which occur in the United States. According to this report, there has never been a death recorded from the use of marijuana by natural causes. Unlike opiates, barbiturates or amphetamines, there seems to be little risk from the use of large amounts of marijuana. When a person smokes too much they feel very tired and lie down. When people swallow large amounts of hashish, occasionally they get sick to their stomach.

http://www.drug-overdose.com/marijuana.htm

The info is also readily verfiable through many many other sources. Have yourself a field day.

Right on!!! I hate it when the courts overstep their boundries.

bottom line:

kids will have sex no matter what they are taught in school or what thier parents say. It's simple biology. The other day on CNN they had a story about this group of hardcore conservative chirstians in a peticular church and thier kids signed a contract with thier parents and the church promising that they would not have sex until marrige. Only about 15% of them actually make it. So here are people that belive in god, listen to thier parents and thier church and in the end biology wins. . . in the end biology always wins. look no further than many afican nations. Here is a place where AIDS is running rampant in epidemic numbers and every day people are dying from starvation, and yet people continue to have sex and make more babies and spread more disease.

The only real solution is, pretty much what Alex has said, You have to teach both options. Not just teach it to them but drill it into thier heads. When I was in 6th grade we had to watch this anti-drug movie ( these days they would never show it because it is way too un-pc) in it the movie showed a guy coming down off herion and he was convulsing, naked, sweaty and shitting all over the place. And I remeber thinking that I never want that to be me. They need to show these kids exactly what STD's can and will do them. They have to show them exactly what having a kid means as well as what having an abortion means. They should teach them that should wait to have sex until they are ready and are with the person they want to be with and if they have sex they should use protection. Make the protection availible.

fuck what the community thinks. Fuck those that think providing condoms will encourage kids to sex. Kids do not need encouragment. In the end biology will win, the best we can do is help the survive it.

No, you either created a ridiculous strawman, or you were very badly making your point. You were trying to say the idea of permissiveness to counter the problem is stupid. Your examples didn't have to be really ignorant of the reality to make the point they just had to be really permissive.

NO. There hasn't been one recorded case. Peanut butter and touching your tongue on 9 volt batteries kills infinately (because there are no deaths) more people.

Pot however certainly isn't good for you and shouldn't be encouraged in anything more than occasional doses.

I think this proves you weren't just making a point when you ignorantly said weed could kill, you really thought it could.

Exactly (except not the part about Alex, who watered his position down to include both options - when originally confronted with the argument "But they are going to do it anyway." he said "Why are you idiots living by that mentality." ignoring commonsense and readily observable reality whizzing all around him.)

Logic has no place on GFY. Ask Punkworld. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped using it against people who probably have no clue what you even mean when you say something like "strawman" or even "logical fallacy". You'll save yourself a headache and some frustration.

Guys please everyone missed my post. Just start killing really ignorant people/kids. It is going to save a ton of hasstle.
We can make an agency for this... we could call it the Gestapo.

I made the suggestion earlier this evening to my sister that the gov't kills the fat people and serves them as soylent green to the military over in Iraq. We'd save tons of money on the healthcare front, We'd be a generally healthier society, we'd save lots of tax dollars on the health care, the soldiers would get nice thick rich meat at the cost of nothing, and I bet people even taste good. My brother-in-law in Iraq disagrees and doubts people would taste good.

uno: People taste great... especially fat ones.

That is what I imagine to be true. I would totally try people. Especially if they were in a nice truffle sauce with some good red wine. Free range human...

Orgainized religion will be the downfall of this planet

God Hates Bush, ok maybe not But Americans and the world hate Bush