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fraggle 05-02-2005 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i have owned 2 big voyuer sites. i know a little about it. i have 3 live chat studios and over 220 employees and have experiemented since 97' with different ways to capitalize further on the resources. so I am a little qualified to talk about traffic, overhead, conversions and more importantly... the cost of having two dozen live cams streaming 24/7 to surfers who don't care and webmasters who just aren't going to be impressed.

i really respect the fact that you have a dream. but thats all it is. its all been done and it has all failed. no one that has done this is going to tell you that you stand a chance. i dont know how many sites have came and went since 97' but it has to be in the 100's from all over the world - there was a time when people were announcing new big voyeur sites every week... Latvia, Moscow, Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Vegas, California Beach House etc etc etc... big houses/whore houses/apartments/saunas with tons of girls, tons of cams, tons of action etc etc etc... people still dont care and they are all gone because it is extremely expensive operate and doesn't sell well.
You dont have to cam up a whole house to make a cool voyeur site though

I just think its a niche that has been almost creatively given up upon and hold a great deal of potentialfor exploitation.
You can still bullshit voyeur in the same way you can "reality sites" just making it ractually realistic.

TheJimmy 05-02-2005 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BV
Yes we sure do!
In your www.bvcash.com admin click the "support" tab and then select "Biller Prefs". Select Epoch/ Paycom from the drop down menu list and click the "Set Preferred Biller" button.

Also: You can change your membership prices and trial/ no trial recurring/ non recurring options, as well as consoles on/ off etc...

lots of bells and whistles in our custom scripting and you still get your checks directly from Epoch & CCBill :upsidedow

ooo, that's rocking, thanks man, gonna check that out

The Adult Broker 05-02-2005 01:56 PM
LOL, I thought the thread was saying Vince Vouyer dead and I was like huh? cuz the program is doing awesome!

http://vouyercash.com

heh

Nautilus 05-02-2005 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i have owned 2 big voyuer sites. i know a little about it. i have 3 live chat studios and over 220 employees and have experiemented since 97' with different ways to capitalize further on the resources. so I am a little qualified to talk about traffic, overhead, conversions and more importantly... the cost of having two dozen live cams streaming 24/7 to surfers who don't care and webmasters who just aren't going to be impressed.

i really respect the fact that you have a dream. but thats all it is. its all been done and it has all failed. no one that has done this is going to tell you that you stand a chance. i dont know how many sites have came and went since 97' but it has to be in the 100's from all over the world - there was a time when people were announcing new big voyeur sites every week... Latvia, Moscow, Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Vegas, California Beach House etc etc etc... big houses/whore houses/apartments/saunas with tons of girls, tons of cams, tons of action etc etc etc... people still dont care and they are all gone because it is extremely expensive operate and doesn't sell well.
So why people would not care? What do they expect off the voyeur site then? I thought live hidden cams are where it is in the voyeur niche.
Please eleborate.

BV 05-02-2005 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nautilus
What do they expect off the voyeur site then? I thought live hidden cams are where it is in the voyeur niche.
Please eleborate.
lots of different sub niches under voyeur, i don't see why well produced fake voyeur cam footage would not sell to a certain amount of customers as long as it was done correctly and realisticly, not like 99% of the stuff out there.

The voyeurcam craze of the early days sort of messed up the true meaning of Voyeur. ie: A bunch of girls in a house that know there are cameras on them broadcasting live is not what a true Voyeur is looking for. :2 cents:

AaronM 05-02-2005 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BV
For anyone that wants to know I've looked at this content and it looks like real voyeur content, not your usual fake stuff.

This stuff is very well done! a very sweet deal for someone that wants to get in the voyeur niche.

Cheers,
BV

Thanks, BV. :winkwink:

NaughtyRob 05-02-2005 03:28 PM
Hey Fraggle if you want voyeur shot exclusive hit me up. We can shoot it all over Las Vegas.

fraggle 05-02-2005 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nautilus
What do they expect off the voyeur site then? I thought live hidden cams are where it is in the voyeur niche.
Please eleborate.
well hidden cams are either badly faked (models staring at a camera,legs astride) or just week / off niche content - possibly because its a bit tricky to shoot something decent

AaronM 05-02-2005 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fraggle
well hidden cams are either badly faked (models staring at a camera,legs astride) or just week / off niche content - possibly because its a bit tricky to shoot something decent

Exactly. Hidden cam is just that....And it's easy to spot fake hidden cam content for those who are into it....Unless it's shot correctly which the vast majority of people have failed to do. :2 cents:

Pleasurepays 05-02-2005 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nautilus
So why people would not care? What do they expect off the voyeur site then? I thought live hidden cams are where it is in the voyeur niche.
Please eleborate.
i can put the same question back to you... where are all the dozens and dozens and dozens of "hot new voyeur sites unlike anything you have ever seen before" that came and went over the last 6-7 years?

my opinion is that this type of site/content has three built in, fatal flaws...

1) the novelty wares off immediately. once people pull back the curtain and see the wizard... they generally lose interest.

2) its boring. how do you have action on all cams, all the time? thats tough. it will always be 80% cams showing nothing. its boring. really boring. so think about that for a second. imagine yourself buying a membership to a site with 50 cams... then click... wait for video to load... nothing happening.... next cam... click.... wait for video to load... nothing happening - repeat 30 more times until you realize your life is meaningless and you need therapy for spending this much time hoping to get your $24.95 worth of entertainment.

3) there are now many 1000's of live girls online at any given moment, sitting naked or mostly naked in front of a cam that will fulfill any fantasy you want.

woj 05-02-2005 03:57 PM
50...........

bhutocracy 05-02-2005 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fraggle
Is it really so dead?

Ive jut been conducting some (ahem) research on Voyeur sites and must say in dissappointed in the quality of material. Little or low quality custom/X material, bad or unrealistic themes and many simply promiss a voyeur site and the user gets a shitty amateur members area.

Is theer anyone doing somethingcreative in this niche?

It's fucked. Seriously how fucking hard is it to come up with an interesting spy theme.. fuck all. I can't believe there hasn't been more reality style spy sites.. and i mean fuck all this cammed up room, sauna/shower/bedroom with a rotation of college girls. I mean lots of running around in the dark and filming through blinds.. using real spy equipment too.. fuck i joined a spy site the other week and cancelled within 30min.. abslute shite.

I would almost GIVE one of you bastards some real spy gear to shoot some stuff if you did a decent concept and upsold to my spy stuff (relaunching a site in the next month)..

bhutocracy 05-02-2005 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BV
We specialize in the Voyeur Niche and our sites convert very very well!
If you haven't sent us your traffic yet it's not too late! We will convert it!

NudeBeachMovies.Com

XrayHunter.Com

PartyGirlUpskirts.Com

BikiniVoyeur

bvcash are one of the best... one of the only guys doing real voyeur content.

seeric 05-02-2005 05:23 PM
www.voyeurweb.com still does fine too.

fraggle 05-03-2005 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
It's fucked. Seriously how fucking hard is it to come up with an interesting spy theme.. fuck all. I can't believe there hasn't been more reality style spy sites.. and i mean fuck all this cammed up room, sauna/shower/bedroom with a rotation of college girls. I mean lots of running around in the dark and filming through blinds.. using real spy equipment too.. fuck i joined a spy site the other week and cancelled within 30min.. abslute shite.

I would almost GIVE one of you bastards some real spy gear to shoot some stuff if you did a decent concept and upsold to my spy stuff (relaunching a site in the next month)..
I totally agree...
Its prime ground for a site themed in a way that ca cut into th mainstream porn market but still amuse the voyeurist/fetishist and carry a cool story or theme with it.
Simply it needs to be shot well (properly) with correct equipement and delivered in a clear but creative manner.

fraggle 05-03-2005 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K
www.voyeurweb.com still does fine too.
yep for sure

the top two free voyeur sites are ranked 316 and 2312 in Alexa! (the hun is 752)


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