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I already have a couple free ones, just before they started charging. I was lucky..
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there are many more ways to get free traffic than tgps. they are a waste of time to submit to unless you have accounts with the big tgps anyhow. SE is where the good free traffic is.
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Now after years of getting people to sub to you and help to make your site successful you gonna thank everyone buy charging for partner accounts...Give me a fucking break! |
Great post Lenny,
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You can always tell ( or almost always ) when the outsourced labor submits because you get descriptions like: "the hardcock fucks two man deep ladies pusy" I should copy and paste a couple more... lol |
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This is an actual cut and paste from a partner request email Hello! Dear webmaster... I've been in adult business for 2 years, so my experience is very big, therefore I've good clean galleries with a fresh content, fast hosting and many partner accounts at most biggest TGP's on the world.(croseries, sexzool, freepornpictures.org and many other.) I'd like to apply for a password in order to submit to your TGP. |
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Bannerless free hosting companies come and go. There's a handfull of new ones every year, and 99% of them go under. |
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Get some cheap outsourced labor to build massive amounts of galleries everyday......that's just one option. Also, I never mentioned a bannerless free hosting "company" I was referring to the sponsors that will give you free hosting for promoting them. Its almost a standard thing now. Submitters are expendable. You may not WANT to believe it and can maybe even come up with logical arguments about why it shouldn't happen....but you should at the very least be prepared for the day it does happen. |
I'm used to paying to advertise... things like banner ads and text spots always required payment. Paid partner accounts seem like a natural evolution. Great post Lenny.
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Well, ok then. What's so bad about a sponsor giving free hosting for submitters? And who here earns a living solely from submitting to other(s) tgp's? That would be kind of foolish to keep your eggs in 1 basket. I don't know - maybe I am just completely naive. |
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There are plenty of people whose only source of income is from gallery submissions, unfortunately for them it won't be that way much longer. :2 cents: |
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The big TGP's will get everything they need from the people who pay for partner accounts. |
For VOLUME, Lenny's right on the money. Things are going the "pay to play" route because people assume that QUANTITY of traffic is the best metric of any campaign's success. Perhaps, once "pay to play" is the standard, the next step will be a standardized measure of ROI? Volume is nice but volume that pays for itself along with producing a profit is even nicer. This is a big problem and will not be fixed quickly since there's many technical/logistical issues re standardization and reporting accuracy.
Regardless, there's other free sources of traffic out there. See: http://justtraffic.blogspot.com |
yep, some people will have to start making some changes.
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Let me correct that for you: "For everyone who charges for a partner account, there will always be 100 sites who don't...until they have enough traffic to charge for partner accounts." The paid submit accounts are the way of the future. And about damned time. |
charging for spots is fucked up.
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That was once true. However with the way the industry has evolved.......free hosted galleries, content blowout deals, bannerless free hosting, free sponsor content, outsourced labor that can mass produce galleries......submitters are expendable. (unquote) I am afraid he is having a point there |
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How many little tgp sites do you think you would need to submit to that would get you the same amount of traffic from 1 big tgp that you have a partner account with. You guys are missing the big picture. Sure you can spend 10 hours a day submitting to the little tgps to get say 100K hits to your gallery for free, or you could pay $100 bucks a month to submit 1 gallery to a big tgp and get the same anount of traffic... what is your time worth ???????? |
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Lenny, we should get together and have a SubmitPasses/Project Revenue GFY give away :pimp
Ray |
meh traffic is easy, its sales that are getting harder.
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Ok...glad you agree...now if a tgp became successful using all the resources mentioned above...then I don't have a problem with that all...but how my big TGP's became successful this way? |
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If those tools were available to them in the beginning, I'm sure they would have used them. Every big TGP uses hosted galleries (with the notable exception of The Hun) They all have partner accounts for submitters that either cost $$ now or will cost $$ in the future. You seem to be in denial so here's a new word for you to learn. Disintermediate. Our business isn't the first nor will it be the last where this occurs. |
Another thing I'd like to add here
I DON'T OWN A TGP....this situation affects me the same way it affects anybody who makes money from galleries. (technically I do own a TGP, but its nothing really, just a filter for my 404 traffic) I'm simply pointing out that the way the market is heading isn't the end of the world. As I pointed out in my initial post, the cost of buying accounts at the top TGP's, the ones that can send both quantity and quality traffic, will be very similar to what the cost of bandwidth and content was 5 years ago. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. |
Lenny think about this most of the really big tgp's who are sold out, These spots are mostly taken up with programe owners who make 100% of the sale so they can make less sales and pay more for those spots. The prices on these tgp's are getting out of reach for even the pro gallery guys because at best they make 60%. This means those big tgp's have more or less have the same galleries on them from the same sponosrs. This means bookmarkers come back less and tgp owner has to buy traffic to keep the numbers up.
After a while this takes it's toll and the tgp traffic is worthless. The tgp's that still take some free submissions are fresher and keep there bookmarkers. I used to budget 3k a month for buying gallery spots but I no longer as I cant make enough back to justify it these days those same tgp are now more expensive and there traffic worse. When I buy positions now I look for tgp's that have a good mix of free and payed spots. |
gallery submitters have a very inflated sense of self worth
they are almost as bad as the TGP owners |
i would hate to take webmasters money and not list their galleries...
gallery submitters paying for the pleasure of having their galleries "reviewed" doesnt impress me at all.. |
I'm not a gallery submitter in the true sense of the word. Submitted several, had a few listed at PK, Worldsex and a couple others but most were not listed.. and some that were not listed were decent galleries... Couldn't complain because it was free.
So to touch on what Shemp posted...Why would anyone pay to have their galleries reviewed with no guarantee that they would be listed? Basically we are talking paid advertising here..and all the places that I pay to advertise place my ad because that is what I paid for. Not only do they list your ad they notify you regarding your ad and if not, it's very easy to locate, not so with TGP's. If you want to charge for advertising, err "partner accounts" then there should be an approval process in place before you start accepting payment. You should be prepared to inform your "partner" about the location, date and duration of their listing. Let them know if it is not going to be listed and why, then give them an opportunity to modify it accordingly. Taking in to account the current practices of most tgp's I don't think they are ready for this. If I'm paying a monthly fee I would want to be well informed...this is not presently the case. |
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...this is what I got: "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary." (Webster) "No documents match the query." (American Heritage) "was not found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary" (Cambridge) Damn you a bad dude! |
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last i checked does auto submit make all of those tgp pages for you and add the banner of the site on it or the receipt link back, for 1000 sites ??? also you will have to modify if some open to new windows when you click thumbs, some open same window, some need 12 or more pics some need 16, some have to be certain since, some only can have no more then 3 links to your site, etc. etc.. etc... how long will it take you to make all 100 of the pages, load the auto submitter with all the info and hit submit it then track your 100 mess of a clusterfuck of tgp's and good luck tracking your pages to see where the signup came from... even if you can do this in 2 hours (i doubt this) 2hours x 30 days 60 hours total... all of this to generate the same amount of traffic from 1 partner account for a big tgp for say $100 ... hmm $100 to save 60 hours time? like i said what is your time worth? unless you are happy to make $1.50 an hour??? |
Oh shit. I think that sky just fell.
Opps, Guess I was wrong. |
I agree cunrent trends are heading that way. As most of the large LinkLists such as Tommy's is payed submit now, and many large tgps also heading down that path I see it as a good thing.
Most of these tgps/linklists are large quality traffic sources, and by them charging a reasonable fee per month or year they are weeding out the shitheads and scammers, thus making it more fair for the honest joe/ts trying to get a head. As a submitter myself I pay for hosting, content, etc. I see paying for partner accounts as just another essential business expense. Just and observation. -N |
Why do we need gallery submitters? There are enough FHGs available.
The majority of submitters simply rip out FHGs and include recip links at the top, as if I can't do that myself? HAH! |
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http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...isintermediate Duh... |
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