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I agree with Lenny. More and more TGPs are moving towards paid partner accounts. Paid partner accounts are the future of TGPs. Not only will the vast majority of TGPs charge monthly to submit galleries, slowly we will see them charge more and more per month, because they all figure, "Hey, $100/month to submit galleries to my TGP is a good price because after 3 signups, your submit pass will pay for itself". Submitting galleries to 20 decent sized TGPs will cost $2000/month, and thats with no guarantee that any galleries will even be listed.
Link lists are next. Once someone like Greenguy or Jaysxxxlinks start charging for partner submit accounts, everyone in the link list world will follow. |
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About the only point I don't agree with in the first post is the cost of bandwidth. Even back in 2000 I was paying somewhere between $1-$1.50 a gig so even hun listings were profitable. Of course it's now a lot cheaper still.
The only other point is don't underestimate the shit loads of people willing to work for next to nothing. Even mainstream is full of them when you check out the profit margins many ebayers work to and porn attracts them like moths to a flame. They'll still carry on pumping out galleries for next to nothing and earning next to nothing. That's the biggest difference - in the past they would have been able to make a little more than next to nothing with a minimal outlay. That's rapidly changing though. |
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It does not matter really.
There is absolutely no real money to be made anymore in submitting galleries or free sites. The days of making money in porn have come to an end, sadly. Take it from someone who has been in the game for 5 years. If you are thinking about getting into the submission game now, do yourself a favor and go to school and learn a "real" trade - stick to mainstream webmaster work even. And while I'm at it TGPs are'nt the only thing going extinct. SEO, PPC, owning TGPs, running link lists and operating pay sites are going down the toilet also. Newbs, invest in your education, get a nice corporate job with a 401k and save your self countless hours of stress and heartache. The glory days are officially over :( :winkwink: |
Very good thread. GFY Needs more like this. ;)
Here's my 2 cents: There will always be sources for free traffic, they will just be harder to get as time goes on. Afterall, this is the internet; there are so many different sites out there, both mainstream and adult to squeeze traffic from in one way or another. There will always be tgp's/mgp's to submit your galleries to for free. They will be harder to find and the quality of traffic will not be as good as the partner account nazi driven tgp's but they'll make sales like they always have. You just have to be smart about it. Now is the time of the inventive & creative adult webmaster. |
You just figured this out? lol
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I already have a couple free ones, just before they started charging. I was lucky..
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there are many more ways to get free traffic than tgps. they are a waste of time to submit to unless you have accounts with the big tgps anyhow. SE is where the good free traffic is.
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Now after years of getting people to sub to you and help to make your site successful you gonna thank everyone buy charging for partner accounts...Give me a fucking break! |
Great post Lenny,
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You can always tell ( or almost always ) when the outsourced labor submits because you get descriptions like: "the hardcock fucks two man deep ladies pusy" I should copy and paste a couple more... lol |
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This is an actual cut and paste from a partner request email Hello! Dear webmaster... I've been in adult business for 2 years, so my experience is very big, therefore I've good clean galleries with a fresh content, fast hosting and many partner accounts at most biggest TGP's on the world.(croseries, sexzool, freepornpictures.org and many other.) I'd like to apply for a password in order to submit to your TGP. |
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Bannerless free hosting companies come and go. There's a handfull of new ones every year, and 99% of them go under. |
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Get some cheap outsourced labor to build massive amounts of galleries everyday......that's just one option. Also, I never mentioned a bannerless free hosting "company" I was referring to the sponsors that will give you free hosting for promoting them. Its almost a standard thing now. Submitters are expendable. You may not WANT to believe it and can maybe even come up with logical arguments about why it shouldn't happen....but you should at the very least be prepared for the day it does happen. |
I'm used to paying to advertise... things like banner ads and text spots always required payment. Paid partner accounts seem like a natural evolution. Great post Lenny.
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Well, ok then. What's so bad about a sponsor giving free hosting for submitters? And who here earns a living solely from submitting to other(s) tgp's? That would be kind of foolish to keep your eggs in 1 basket. I don't know - maybe I am just completely naive. |
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There are plenty of people whose only source of income is from gallery submissions, unfortunately for them it won't be that way much longer. :2 cents: |
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The big TGP's will get everything they need from the people who pay for partner accounts. |
For VOLUME, Lenny's right on the money. Things are going the "pay to play" route because people assume that QUANTITY of traffic is the best metric of any campaign's success. Perhaps, once "pay to play" is the standard, the next step will be a standardized measure of ROI? Volume is nice but volume that pays for itself along with producing a profit is even nicer. This is a big problem and will not be fixed quickly since there's many technical/logistical issues re standardization and reporting accuracy.
Regardless, there's other free sources of traffic out there. See: http://justtraffic.blogspot.com |
yep, some people will have to start making some changes.
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Let me correct that for you: "For everyone who charges for a partner account, there will always be 100 sites who don't...until they have enough traffic to charge for partner accounts." The paid submit accounts are the way of the future. And about damned time. |
charging for spots is fucked up.
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That was once true. However with the way the industry has evolved.......free hosted galleries, content blowout deals, bannerless free hosting, free sponsor content, outsourced labor that can mass produce galleries......submitters are expendable. (unquote) I am afraid he is having a point there |
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How many little tgp sites do you think you would need to submit to that would get you the same amount of traffic from 1 big tgp that you have a partner account with. You guys are missing the big picture. Sure you can spend 10 hours a day submitting to the little tgps to get say 100K hits to your gallery for free, or you could pay $100 bucks a month to submit 1 gallery to a big tgp and get the same anount of traffic... what is your time worth ???????? |
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Lenny, we should get together and have a SubmitPasses/Project Revenue GFY give away :pimp
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meh traffic is easy, its sales that are getting harder.
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