Ok...glad you agree...now if a tgp became successful using all the resources mentioned above...then I don't have a problem with that all...but how my big TGP's became successful this way?

Autosubmit, rudeboy :upsidedow

I'm not saying you're a noob, but what you just posted is like it was years ago, and times have changed :2 cents:

The biggest TGP's pre-date all of the things I mentioned.
If those tools were available to them in the beginning, I'm sure they would have used them.

Every big TGP uses hosted galleries (with the notable exception of The Hun)
They all have partner accounts for submitters that either cost $$ now or will cost $$ in the future.

You seem to be in denial so here's a new word for you to learn.
Disintermediate.

Our business isn't the first nor will it be the last where this occurs.

Another thing I'd like to add here
I DON'T OWN A TGP....this situation affects me the same way it affects anybody who makes money from galleries.
(technically I do own a TGP, but its nothing really, just a filter for my 404 traffic)

I'm simply pointing out that the way the market is heading isn't the end of the world. As I pointed out in my initial post, the cost of buying accounts at the top TGP's, the ones that can send both quantity and quality traffic, will be very similar to what the cost of bandwidth and content was 5 years ago.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Lenny think about this most of the really big tgp's who are sold out, These spots are mostly taken up with programe owners who make 100% of the sale so they can make less sales and pay more for those spots. The prices on these tgp's are getting out of reach for even the pro gallery guys because at best they make 60%. This means those big tgp's have more or less have the same galleries on them from the same sponosrs. This means bookmarkers come back less and tgp owner has to buy traffic to keep the numbers up.
After a while this takes it's toll and the tgp traffic is worthless.
The tgp's that still take some free submissions are fresher and keep there bookmarkers.
I used to budget 3k a month for buying gallery spots but I no longer as I cant make enough back to justify it these days those same tgp are now more expensive and there traffic worse.
When I buy positions now I look for tgp's that have a good mix of free and payed spots.

gallery submitters have a very inflated sense of self worth

they are almost as bad as the TGP owners

i would hate to take webmasters money and not list their galleries...
gallery submitters paying for the pleasure of having their galleries "reviewed" doesnt impress me at all..

I'm not a gallery submitter in the true sense of the word. Submitted several, had a few listed at PK, Worldsex and a couple others but most were not listed.. and some that were not listed were decent galleries... Couldn't complain because it was free.

So to touch on what Shemp posted...Why would anyone pay to have their galleries reviewed with no guarantee that they would be listed?

Basically we are talking paid advertising here..and all the places that I pay to advertise place my ad because that is what I paid for. Not only do they list your ad they notify you regarding your ad and if not, it's very easy to locate, not so with TGP's.

If you want to charge for advertising, err "partner accounts" then there should be an approval process in place before you start accepting payment. You should be prepared to inform your "partner" about the location, date and duration of their listing. Let them know if it is not going to be listed and why, then give them an opportunity to modify it accordingly. Taking in to account the current practices of most tgp's I don't think they are ready for this.

If I'm paying a monthly fee I would want to be well informed...this is not presently the case.

I had to consult with a dictionary on that one (Disintermediate)
...this is what I got:

"The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary." (Webster)

"No documents match the query." (American Heritage)

"was not found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary" (Cambridge)

Damn you a bad dude!

Decent point, but what we are dealing with here is supply and demand. Currently, demand for advertising/listings on TGP sites is so great, that many people are willing to pay solely for the chance of being listed. This business model will work (at least for now), because in most cases, the smart submitter will make their money back. Time, work, and energy must also be factored into the profit margin though. This is something, I think most submitters do not consider or seem not to care about.

last i checked does auto submit make all of those tgp pages for you and add the banner of the site on it or the receipt link back, for 1000 sites ??? also you will have to modify if some open to new windows when you click thumbs, some open same window, some need 12 or more pics some need 16, some have to be certain since, some only can have no more then 3 links to your site, etc. etc.. etc... how long will it take you to make all 100 of the pages, load the auto submitter with all the info and hit submit it then track your 100 mess of a clusterfuck of tgp's and good luck tracking your pages to see where the signup came from... even if you can do this in 2 hours (i doubt this) 2hours x 30 days 60 hours total... all of this to generate the same amount of traffic from 1 partner account for a big tgp for say $100 ... hmm $100 to save 60 hours time?

like i said what is your time worth? unless you are happy to make $1.50 an hour???

Oh shit. I think that sky just fell.

Opps, Guess I was wrong.

I agree cunrent trends are heading that way. As most of the large LinkLists such as Tommy's is payed submit now, and many large tgps also heading down that path I see it as a good thing.

Most of these tgps/linklists are large quality traffic sources, and by them charging a reasonable fee per month or year they are weeding out the shitheads and scammers, thus making it more fair for the honest joe/ts trying to get a head.

As a submitter myself I pay for hosting, content, etc. I see paying for partner accounts as just another essential business expense.

Just and observation.

-N

Why do we need gallery submitters? There are enough FHGs available.

The majority of submitters simply rip out FHGs and include recip links at the top, as if I can't do that myself? HAH!

Your just stupid

TGP's that do a combination of paid spots and free submissions will definitely be fresher and more pleasing to their surfers. Something similar to the way thehun operates where the highest few spots are paid, but the remainder are still up for grabs to free submissions. It keeps content interesting the traffic coming back to the TGP.

Now thats funny

http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...isintermediate



Duh...

100 gallery submitters

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Chill, Will!

You know, the really good autosubmitters actually make all those pages for you, place all the recips, and even submit in compliance to tgp/mgp rules. Amazing huh? Not that I submit anymore, but I seem to remember it taking about an hour a day, and generating $600 to $800 per day. :upsidedow

Honey be nice :winkwink:

You're right Rob. You're the kind of guy who would want to see the galleries before you took payment, so you'd know whether or not this person's galleries are something you would list.

Pierre is doing this with worldsex. He sends out acceptance or decline letters and lets you know why you didn't get listed, and what you have to fix to get listed next time.

Obviously if a TGP owner takes people's money and doesn't list their galleries they won't get any renewals, so the whole process is then moot.

By the way, did you see the new program and suhweet hosted galleries in my sig? *wink wink nudge nudge*

i made a similar thread over 2 years ago when gts didnt exist and most tgps didnt sell spots and i was told im out of my mind.

too bad gfy search is down :-)

I disagree.
For the past 2 years I've made a living on nothing but paid listings at TGP's. I didn't own a paysite until very recently, so I've been making 60% just like all the other resellers.

I also know a handful of people who do exactly what I do, and they don't own paysites.

Sure the program owner has an advantage by making 100%....however, most program owners don't have any expertise in converting gallery traffic.
People who know how to convert gallery traffic aren't people you can hire either, they make too much money doing their own thing.

:2 cents:

Thanks ....I learn something new everyday

I thought it was funny

Chill? i'm cool :thumbsup

ok so 1 hour a day 30 hours a month spent that generates the same amount of traffic from 1 partner account that cost you $100 a month ? generalizing here but you should see the point... you could have saved the 30 hours if you paid $100 you were working at 3.33 an hour.. If i was making $800 an hour doing something i would have keep doing it or hired someone to run it for me, why you dont do it anymore...

Very Interesting Read Thanks :)

i'll have a look :)

Hey Shemp. What is the best way to contact you?
I have tried emailing you at webmaster @ shemp several times and not been able to get in contact with you.

You have to know the special code. You can only get it from The Leader.

rob at shemp dot com
that usually works

I saw this coming years ago.. No biggy for me.

Since people are whining in the XNXX submit pass thread I thought this could use a bump :thumbsup

Now its more like 50$ per day! It sucks!! But a year ago it was way better. Then I almost made a living only by submitting. Thats not even NEAR possible now!

free traffic will no go away you just have to be more creative. We been on tgp's had my galleries built by one of the best in the biz and it did shit. I think tgp is free loader central for the most part.I think if TGP's were so hot they wouldnt be selling the top spots ,they would be using them their selves. Do much better with niche specific top lists and google.

That's like saying if google traffic were any good they would keep it for themselves instead of selling it via adwords.

There are only so many hours in a day, and just because someone is good at traffic generation doesn't mean they're good at marketing.

Program owners aren't at the top of the heap in regards to sign-up payouts.

There are guys getting more than a sign-up is actually worth from a revenue standpoint just for getting those sign-ups. So if a program owner is at 100% (not even counting expenses) these guys could be at 150-250%