I know what you mean but i doubt it's true...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Lenny Ive been making money from galleries before most the people on this board Mums would let them own a PC. If you read all my post you would have noticed Im not shy about buying gallery spots Ive been doing it before it became the norm. Im just saying that some big tgp's that where good value 2 to 3 years ago are no longer as good as they where, Theres some tgp's where I would spend $1000 for a months worth of gallery spots that I wouldent pay $500 for now because there good traffic has left. And I belive its because they now just take payed spots only so there quailty has gone to shit and there bookmarkers are long gone.
Look at my good freind Shemp's site he mixes it up taking both public subs and payed I belive this type of tgp's are the ones to buy on.

You may have a point there. If the quality of a site drops off then you have to look elsewhere for traffic.
However I still believe that "pay to play" is here to stay.

"pay to play" is here to stay and as far as I can see untill a new model comes along its here to stay. But there's still room for the pro's otherwise I couldent burn 20 mps a day.

Sure you can submit your links to link dump boxes like http://freeporn.xiando.org/ , but the number of visitors you get will be in the thousands. I and other webmasters are still willing to pay for huge traffic regardless of how many sites like that exist.

And the fact that new sites like that appear every day, it will not affect the number of surfers at those high-traffic established sites. The number of surfers (new people getting Internet access) is still growing at the same rate new sites appear...

I'm going to bump this thread every time someone starts a thread whining about another TGP charging for submissions.

Today it's Richards Realm

you're so cool :winkwink:

you will pay for a partner account if the traffic is worth it, and most of us that have been submitting for a while with qualiuty converting high traffic sites. that are partner only will probably stay that way. most of the sites we submit too dont allow free subs

paid partner accounts are all cool in my book.....

I don't think so. No submitters = no galleries. It's still give and take...

It depends on how you define "submitters" I guess Michel.

Your traffic is great and I imagine you'll be the last place around that doesn't charge for submissions, but a guy can't make a living only submitting to you.
So the only guys left to submit anywhere will be the ones willing to pay to play everywhere else.

That's what I worry about. Paying money to several places for the opportunity to submit and still get rejected due to more galleries submitted than they list daily. Some people will still get rejected on good clean galleries with fresh content.

And let's not get started on trades. You finally get a listing and 1 out of 4 clicks goes to trades on most places I have surfed lately. And I think that's a pretty conservative ratio on most TGP/MGP's.

bump :glugglug

What a waste of great sig space ;)

lenny how do your FHG convert compared to what you have seen with other programs?

Having to pay for gallery spots just reduces the competition. That's good for anybody that knows how to make sales. But I agree with Bake. A balance of both paid and unpaid spots will be best for the TGP's longevity.

I don't own a TGP so I've never sent traffic to anyone else's hosted galleries, so I really can't compare.

The prophet hath spoken :1orglaugh

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...2&page=1&pp=50

If your business model is just throw enough shit, and something will stick, you will always have grief.

If you are doing niche, general, or whatever... you need to do you homework, and if you submit to 10/100/1000 small targeted tgp's (or traffic source) for whatever it is you are selling, then you will make better conversions.

It's CONVERSIONS that make or break you. If you did a foot site, and you submit to general, ass, tit places for traffic, even if 1000 times more traffic hits your stuff, you will not convert.

If you submit to 10/100/1000 highly filtered, targetted places, you have a better chance of a sale, or conversion. Whether you are submitting your own paysites, or a gallery submitter, you need to make a better business model to get the targetted, filtered surfer who will actually BUY.

:pimp

Get over yourself.

Satan already told me this last week.

try to to get (buy) couple of partner account on big TGP's and do not worry... ;)

just follow the rules on every tgp sites ....

so whats the consensus 3 years later?

anyone still making most of his money with submitting?

Yeah.. and I make more than I did back then :thumbsup

I'm still making great money submitting galleries too :2 cents:

Ahhhh..I remember those days back in 2001 when free hosting had banners. lol

damn Babagirls, haven't seen you posting in ages

hey ya, polish. :) i've been busy doing the mainsteam thing for the past year or so now. figured i'd drop by and see what's shaking on the board. how are ya?

the sky is falling

bookmarked for read later

You didn't read it 3 years ago? :winkwink:

doing OK, thanks, ...though adult has surely changed totally...

I can just say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't underestimate gallery submitters! ;)