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Rich 05-04-2005 04:01 PM
50 kids gunned down by fascists.

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CDSmith 05-04-2005 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by theking
As for what certain members of the National Guard did that day...from all accounts it seems to have been unjustified.
It definitely was unjustified. A few of the guardsmen themselves who partook of the shooting appeared mortified on camera in the documentary I watched a few years ago, and if they were expressing honest feelings (which I think they were) they have had to live with their guilt all these years.

It was shameful, needless, and in viewing the footage of it I was outraged beyond words, as anyone should be.

Yet another huge shame on the particular administration of that period in time.

theking 05-04-2005 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich
You're right, Kent State never happened, I just made it up. Neil Young is from the town a live in now and 30 years ago I convinced him to write that song about something that happend in my imagination so I could start this thread 30 years later. My apologies.
Very transparent response...but then again you are very transparent...aren't you Richy boy?

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You never answered the question, do you think anyone but me reads your posts? Do you think anyone takes you seriously? Just answer the question and stop ranting and raving about your usual "Rich is always lying" bullshit. I hope you realize that when I put you on ignore again, it will be back to talking to yourself.
I do not take orders from you...Richy boy...but I will voluntarily answer the questions.

I do not give a flying fuck who reads or who doesn't read my posts...including you Richy boy. I do not give a flying fuck if anyone takes me seriously or does not take me seriously...including you Richy boy. I do not care who puts me on ignore...including you Richy boy.

Hmm...now how about answering the question that you failed to answer...Richy boy?

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Originally Posted by theking
Do you think...anyone thinks...that the drivel...misinformation...half truths...and out and out lies...that you spew forth every day about the US and its citizens is of import? I'm just curious...Richy boy.

theking 05-04-2005 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith
It definitely was unjustified. A few of the guardsmen themselves who partook of the shooting appeared mortified on camera in the documentary I watched a few years ago, and if they were expressing honest feelings (which I think they were) they have had to live with their guilt all these years.

It was shameful, needless, and in viewing the footage of it I was outraged beyond words, as anyone should be.

Yet another huge shame on the particular administration of that period in time.
Yes...it was a shameful spectacle. I assume that you are referring to that particular State Administration...since it was the Governor that called out his State National Guard and not the Federal Administration.

CDSmith 05-04-2005 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by theking
Yes...it was a shameful spectacle. I assume that you are referring to that particular State Administration...since it was the Governor that called out his State National Guard and not the Federal Administration.
Oh, it was a black mark on Nixon's administration as well. You must remember that as well as I do.

After such a tragic incident is "allowed" to happen, the people tend to look at the leadership, and the president is the largest target of such outrage. It is in how he handles the situation that determines the size of said black mark, and if memory serves I would say that the one Nixon got that day and in the weeks and months following was quite sizeable.

Mr Dickovitch 05-04-2005 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
You're right, Kent State never happened, I just made it up. Neil Young is from the town a live in now and 30 years ago I convinced him to write that song about something that happend in my imagination so I could start this thread 30 years later. My apologies.

You never answered the question, do you think anyone but me reads your posts? Do you think anyone takes you seriously? Just answer the question and stop ranting and raving about your usual "Rich is always lying" bullshit. I hope you realize that when I put you on ignore again, it will be back to talking to yourself.
YOu are a doodoo face.

CDSmith 05-04-2005 04:56 PM
From what I remember of it, there were investigations following the incident, after which not one of the guardsmen were ever punished formally. I will have to read up on this further to confirm that though.... it's a little fuzzy.

AdnerAdvertising 05-04-2005 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich
Least we forget what happens when American students seriously speak out against their government. The Kent State massacre was 35 years ago today.


http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/asset.../KentState.jpg


Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.


RIP Allison Krause, William Schroeder, Jeffrey Miller, and Sandra Scheuer, ages 19-20.

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theking 05-04-2005 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith
Oh, it was a black mark on Nixon's administration as well. You must remember that as well as I do.

After such a tragic incident is "allowed" to happen, the people tend to look at the leadership, and the president is the largest target of such outrage. It is in how he handles the situation that determines the size of said black mark, and if memory serves I would say that the one Nixon got that day and in the weeks and months following was quite sizeable.
Well...whatever goes down wrong in the Nation...the responsibilty...rightfully or wrongfully...is often layed upon the holder of the office of the Presidency.

I don't know who ordered the National Guard to have live rounds in their weapons...or what their reasoning was. Ordinarily riot control is performed by the National Gaurd with fixed bayonets and zero live rounds. I doubt that the Governor did...and if it was the CG or what ever ranking Officer or NCO that issued the order for live rounds...their head should have rolled...providing that they did not offer a very sound reason for the use of live rounds.

theking 05-04-2005 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by theking

I don't know who ordered the National Guard to have live rounds in their weapons...or what their reasoning was. Ordinarily riot control is performed by the National Gaurd with fixed bayonets and zero live rounds. I doubt that the Governor did...and if it was the CG or what ever ranking Officer or NCO that issued the order for live rounds...their head should have rolled...providing that they did not offer a very sound reason for the use of live rounds.
Anyone have any info about this.

Love Brokers 05-04-2005 10:40 PM
All these bullshit arguing posts over a Prize winning photo of a runaway teen screaming over a dead body? What the few National Guardsmen did was a travesty at Kent State. I believe it will never happen again. And I wish the people of this country would stand up in mass as the students did during the Viet Nam era and scream at the politicians who are fucking all of us over on a daily basis. They litterallly shut down Washington D.C. one day back then! Disabled cars in the roadways. Blocked traffic with other vehicles. It was fucking great! I recall seeing on the box someone opening the engine cover of a VW Bug belonging to a politician and pulling the distributor wires out.

WarChild 05-04-2005 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich
This thread is in honor of the victims, I don't want to get into an argument with some stooge. Please show some respect and stop making up excuses for this horrible crime, or at least do it elsewhere.
There are no victims, only volunteers.

LiveDose 05-04-2005 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by .?.
Who killed them, Bush?


LOL, saw that coming...

DWB 05-04-2005 11:36 PM
Just be glad you were not born in North Korea.

spunkmaster 05-04-2005 11:54 PM
The whole story isn't told here. Look it up on google and get both sides of the story before making any judgements. The guys pulling the triggers were just doing what they were paid $134 per month to do for the state part time but the story is much deeper. There was a long standoff (3 days I think) and a couple of them deserved to get shot for the shit they were pulling and a few innocents got shot in the process. The two that deserved to get shot burned down some buildings and incited riots so they weren't innocent !

I was there so I know a little about it.

DJChunkyB 05-05-2005 12:50 AM
Rich all I want to know is who is going to protect us all from YOU??? Please just go away!

Centurion 05-05-2005 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by .?.
You are a real fucking idiot.

He's not real yet..but trying very hard to be.

BuggyG 05-05-2005 07:47 AM
sad.. very sad

but looks like she got a spear in her head

SuckOnThis 05-05-2005 08:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
You're right, Kent State never happened, I just made it up. Neil Young is from the town a live in now and 30 years ago I convinced him to write that song about something that happend in my imagination so I could start this thread 30 years later. My apologies.

I'm sure the king has never heard of Neil Young otherwise he would be calling him anti american and calling for him to be deported, especially after these words:

I saw cotton
and I saw black
Tall white mansions
and little shacks.
Southern man
when will you
pay them back?
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

12clicks 05-05-2005 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich
Nixon, actually. I can see how you'd forget, for some reason they don't seem to be giving any memorial to these victims on network TV. Don't think for a second Bush wouldn't do the same thing if Americans had the backbone to stand up to the government today. The army and police don't protect the people, they protect the bankers and politicians from the people. This was the national guard gunning down unarmed college kids who opposed the war in Vietnam in cold blood, for those who don't know.
its so funny to see the distorted, idiot views of foriegners about America.

12clicks 05-05-2005 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spunkmaster
The whole story isn't told here. Look it up on google and get both sides of the story before making any judgements. The guys pulling the triggers were just doing what they were paid $134 per month to do for the state part time but the story is much deeper. There was a long standoff (3 days I think) and a couple of them deserved to get shot for the shit they were pulling and a few innocents got shot in the process. The two that deserved to get shot burned down some buildings and incited riots so they weren't innocent !

I was there so I know a little about it.
how dare you confuse the rabble with the truth!!!???


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