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the wojinator

Do you think there is more money in TGPs than their is in mailing?

darkmailers

There is more money in mailing. The biggest TGP's boast doing over 1m hits per day. Mailers send out more in a morning and the quality of traffic is better.

I know that, I'm just wondering what he thinks.

Uhm theres a big difference in getting 1 million hits and sending out 10 million emails.

There is not 1 mailer who gets a million hits per day.

this thread is.......

Ooo Rich do you have the hots for me? You sexy bitch. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I live in the USA I cant get into mailing it is illegal here so whether or not I think it is more profitable than TGPs is irrelevent isnt it? Dude all Im saying is that this business is saturated with free sites, every chance anyone on here gets to discourage another TGP is a good idea. That is my opinion and NO I do not own a TGP.

its way too late to jump on the mailing boat in my opinion. shit, i thought it was too late when i was doing it 2 years ago. aol and hotmail are all locked down, its hard as fuck to get into anywhere thats worth anything. sure you might make a couple hundred bucks a day but keep in mind you'll need money for proxies, servers, lists, headers, ect. its not cheap. ppl think you can just get this and that and let it go, but those days are gone. stability is nil for mailers unless you have a total custom setup. then you have assholes trying to rip you off left and right, fake opt-in lists, proxies that don't work, cracked programs with trojans in them. a true opt-in set up would be cool, if you could run it without proxies and not get blacklisted. you just have to be careful as fuck when you buys lists, half the opt-in lists are fake generated shit. you'd be better off building an empire of sites, im working on that now myself.

i agree, mailing sux because you need to pay for everything, and at the end you won't make much :( there's no money there :\

You're weird. I asked you a question. I won't make that mistake again.

Mailing is not illegal in the USA. You don't know much about this business, do you?

Damn, another question. I hope he can answer it without turning into a creep show.

OMG.... this thread is.... you are at least 3 years to late

So is drug dealing.

It's a fucking felony.

mailings rock :) sending almost 30k every day and you wouldnt believe the money it makes :)

There is more money in drug dealing and slave trade too.

You people are fucking stupid.

Before you start Mailing or spamming, or what ever you want to call it, keep in mind that someone just got a few years in jail for it. And he knew what he was doing.

I know that mailing works, and you can make a ton of cash. But is jail time worth it??

and dont tell me about double and triple opt in and all that. Any one who is a double or triple opt in can forget that they opted, and report you for spam!

Is there an alternative to sendsafe out yet?

We have tons of memberlists but not sure if a line in the terms makes it legal to mail them. Of course we do newsletters, but I mean really mail them.

Rich you are a fucking troll why do you have such a hard on for me fag?
The type of mailing this thread is talking about IS illegal idiot.

http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc50/th_660_troll.jpg
Which one are you Rich?

Apparently he can't. Keep your creepy repressed gay fantasies to yourself please.

I don't see how this thread is exclusively about illegal mailing. Figure out what the can spam act is before you continue making yourself look ignorant. It makes bulk mailing legal in the USA as long as you follow the rules.

I will make a nice post for this thread when I get back from supper

I can't wait till all you fucking spammers get shit down :2 cents:

Don't hold your breath.

does anyone want to buy the new niggermailer v2.6? comes with 100 million double optins to get you started, and 50+ headers that will get 99% inbox with the big three, only $50 western union.

The really good mailers these days are no heat and legal.

And there are some that make my few hundred a day numbers look sad...

1000 a day ....on a good day.
500 sustained.No problem.

If you don't know who they are , you probably never will.

How do they do it ?

Well thats the trick......

:)

jeeez threads featuring me on GFY are like buses...non for ages then 2 come along right after the other. :)

""""and dont tell me about double and triple opt in and all that. Any one who is a double or triple opt in can forget that they opted, and report you for spam!"""""

And then you show the ISP your logs.

I'm a bit clueles about proxies and shit, but if you use proxies don't they protect you from your ISP seeing what are you doing?

Funny thing is I can teach someone how to be a fully Can Spam Compliant mailer within hours. No proxies, no faked headers, nothing, and get into everything with ease and 100 percent legal. Even Hotmail's highest filters won't work.

The reality is that it would be the worst kept secret ever and it would ruin the market.

teach me, I wont tell ;)

See my sig :) :)

Instead of wondering how you are going to get $10K in joins a day, ask yourself how you are going to get 11 joins per hour. How are you getting 11 joins a day? Can you do that 24 more times? Problem solved.. Ohh shit, wait... You need to WORK... fuck that... ok... sorry... thought I was going to be really clever...

Hey wait a cotton-picking-minute. Slapass already does 10K a day... How much money do you fucking need?

people in the industry see mailing as the easiest way to make money.

well guess what

it's the EXACT same thing as people outside of the industry seeing porn as EASSYYY money. well tell me, is it? is it really THAT easy to make money in porn?

mailing is a very complex and risky operation: where your costs are high and so are the possible number of problems you can encounter.

If you live in the USA or countries with strong anti-spam laws, there's another problem. And then you have Aol, Hotmail, Yahoo, Earthlink going out of their way to sue people, even if it means spending 500 000$ in order to sue for 50 000$

I know quite a few "mailers", and most of these guys wish they could make more than 200-300$ a day with what they have.

also, don't forget that you need to pay for your hosting, your bp hosting, your email lists, your proxies, your headers, and whatever else costs you have

people message me all the time asking me what mailing consists of, and I have one thing to say to them: unless you have a big load of cash and don't mind the risks of being sued and/or going to jail, this is def NOT for you.

I have seen people "start" spamming, and then drop it after 1 month because they have no idea what they are doing.

And let's talk about filters for a second: do you guys have ANY idea how powerful filters have become? Sure it was easy to make thousands a day mailing back in 1999, but we are not there anymore.
Filters are like brick walls, they check every little spec of detail on your setup and message, and tell you to fuck off.

And finally there comes the situation where you decide to make your "spamming" operation "clean" and "legal"... Well bad enough people didnt get through the first spamming phase, but now they want to be law-compliant, which is much more expensive.

Bottom line: only those who know what they are doing actually make the money... just like in porn... and yet how many people do we see that don't really know what they are doing, simply trying to duplicate peoples stuff, and praying to get a few refferals to make some extra money that way?

Mailing is a full time job... Just ask any of the big guys (if you can find out who they are ;)

Nick pointed out that mailers are alive and well.

Vrocks and bdjuf,

good posts :)

You're right about the last part, mailing is for people with money to invest and the know how to get started.

You're talking about kids with a cracked copy of darkmailer, some shitty lists and a couple hundred bucks to spend. Anythony and Nick talking about the guys with 25 direct mailing servers and the know how to get past any filter. Of course it's hard to be successful when you don't have the tools and you have no clue what you're doing. Of course it's hard to get into mailing when you don't have the connections. It's not like TGP where dummy-proof instructions are spelled out for everyone on ten thousand resource sites, it's never been like that. The fact is you can make basically just as much money mailing now as you could in the past, you just have to know what you're doing. :2 cents:

I think he made that much over one period. Not in a day though.

Rich ,

Yup.

I think the majority of people here are in agreement.

Frankly I couldn't earn a living from submitting TGPs etc etc. I don't have the skills in that area that many here do.

I was reading about DH selling partner accounts etc on his new TGP and frankly I was totally in awe.

That guy knows his business. :)

And Rich ,You are spot on.

The days when you could hit 500 joins from a laptop whilst partying are long gone.(Anthony I know did in 2000 cause I watched him do it LOL)

Now it has to be done right.

But as there is only a few shemps, al4as, huns etc in the TGP there is only a few REAL mailers in the mail field.

And as there are loads of people in the TGP game getting 10 or so joins a week the same applies to mailing.

It DID become the fashionable way to try and make REAL money.

But like all things , by the time the masses are involved most of the gold has been mined out.

Well put Bdjuf, mailing is fucking hard man, and i KNOW, i have contemplated it over and over.

you think the real money is in mailing? I sell short icq!! :upsidedow

no man, he has to teach me first :)

He is also suppose to teach me, what is going on here?

The hard part is finding proxies the rest is just trial and error.

And no I do not spam as a matter of fact I try and take down every spammer that enters my inbox. Spammers do not think of security and sometime leave things on heir servers that should be secure such as p urls zip files etc. I could make a living off exploiting spammers :)

get an ironport, buy a couple blocks of IPs on a 10mb connection... spam like fuck.

its not hard folks. come on.

There's a big difference between spaming and double optin *adult* mailers... I tried sending 10,000 in early 2000 and received so many bad feedback from mothers, etc. that it made me sick and I felt really bad about it. It's simply not right.

But if anyone offers legal optin mailing, I would be interested.

I would think hotmail and the other big guys would block on ips?
I would guess I get about 5% of my ADULT mail that is compliant. Mainstream is alot more guessing again 70% compliant. Im not doubting your abilitys just commenting on whats in my inbox.

yeap,mailling is really powerfull when someone knows what to do

It's very dobable. One of the posters in this thread has his hotmail set for whitelist, and I forgot to take his email off my DB which he seeded (the bastard).

So, not only did my email go through his hotmail which was on the highest setting, but he also got to see how I did it, and has long cracked what algo's I was using. But, I can't complain too much, he did get me started in this biz. :)

You fucken tools. There was a guy making 20k/day and just recently he filed bankrupcy. Why? All the big corps sued his ass until he had no more funds. People still make good cash now a days but the big earners invest way MUCH more money then you think. Along with that you pretty much to have to become a ghost because to generate that will be insane heat. You will be served your papers in the matter of weeks, but I am not going to get into that.

So your best bet is to establish a "real" business, it will pay off in the long run. No need to worry about lawsuits and won't have to live your income day by day.

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