Instead of wondering how you are going to get $10K in joins a day, ask yourself how you are going to get 11 joins per hour. How are you getting 11 joins a day? Can you do that 24 more times? Problem solved.. Ohh shit, wait... You need to WORK... fuck that... ok... sorry... thought I was going to be really clever...

Hey wait a cotton-picking-minute. Slapass already does 10K a day... How much money do you fucking need?

people in the industry see mailing as the easiest way to make money.

well guess what

it's the EXACT same thing as people outside of the industry seeing porn as EASSYYY money. well tell me, is it? is it really THAT easy to make money in porn?

mailing is a very complex and risky operation: where your costs are high and so are the possible number of problems you can encounter.

If you live in the USA or countries with strong anti-spam laws, there's another problem. And then you have Aol, Hotmail, Yahoo, Earthlink going out of their way to sue people, even if it means spending 500 000$ in order to sue for 50 000$

I know quite a few "mailers", and most of these guys wish they could make more than 200-300$ a day with what they have.

also, don't forget that you need to pay for your hosting, your bp hosting, your email lists, your proxies, your headers, and whatever else costs you have

people message me all the time asking me what mailing consists of, and I have one thing to say to them: unless you have a big load of cash and don't mind the risks of being sued and/or going to jail, this is def NOT for you.

I have seen people "start" spamming, and then drop it after 1 month because they have no idea what they are doing.

And let's talk about filters for a second: do you guys have ANY idea how powerful filters have become? Sure it was easy to make thousands a day mailing back in 1999, but we are not there anymore.
Filters are like brick walls, they check every little spec of detail on your setup and message, and tell you to fuck off.

And finally there comes the situation where you decide to make your "spamming" operation "clean" and "legal"... Well bad enough people didnt get through the first spamming phase, but now they want to be law-compliant, which is much more expensive.

Bottom line: only those who know what they are doing actually make the money... just like in porn... and yet how many people do we see that don't really know what they are doing, simply trying to duplicate peoples stuff, and praying to get a few refferals to make some extra money that way?

Mailing is a full time job... Just ask any of the big guys (if you can find out who they are ;)

Nick pointed out that mailers are alive and well.

Vrocks and bdjuf,

good posts :)

You're right about the last part, mailing is for people with money to invest and the know how to get started.

You're talking about kids with a cracked copy of darkmailer, some shitty lists and a couple hundred bucks to spend. Anythony and Nick talking about the guys with 25 direct mailing servers and the know how to get past any filter. Of course it's hard to be successful when you don't have the tools and you have no clue what you're doing. Of course it's hard to get into mailing when you don't have the connections. It's not like TGP where dummy-proof instructions are spelled out for everyone on ten thousand resource sites, it's never been like that. The fact is you can make basically just as much money mailing now as you could in the past, you just have to know what you're doing. :2 cents:

I think he made that much over one period. Not in a day though.

Rich ,

Yup.

I think the majority of people here are in agreement.

Frankly I couldn't earn a living from submitting TGPs etc etc. I don't have the skills in that area that many here do.

I was reading about DH selling partner accounts etc on his new TGP and frankly I was totally in awe.

That guy knows his business. :)

And Rich ,You are spot on.

The days when you could hit 500 joins from a laptop whilst partying are long gone.(Anthony I know did in 2000 cause I watched him do it LOL)

Now it has to be done right.

But as there is only a few shemps, al4as, huns etc in the TGP there is only a few REAL mailers in the mail field.

And as there are loads of people in the TGP game getting 10 or so joins a week the same applies to mailing.

It DID become the fashionable way to try and make REAL money.

But like all things , by the time the masses are involved most of the gold has been mined out.

Well put Bdjuf, mailing is fucking hard man, and i KNOW, i have contemplated it over and over.

you think the real money is in mailing? I sell short icq!! :upsidedow

no man, he has to teach me first :)

He is also suppose to teach me, what is going on here?

The hard part is finding proxies the rest is just trial and error.

And no I do not spam as a matter of fact I try and take down every spammer that enters my inbox. Spammers do not think of security and sometime leave things on heir servers that should be secure such as p urls zip files etc. I could make a living off exploiting spammers :)

get an ironport, buy a couple blocks of IPs on a 10mb connection... spam like fuck.

its not hard folks. come on.

There's a big difference between spaming and double optin *adult* mailers... I tried sending 10,000 in early 2000 and received so many bad feedback from mothers, etc. that it made me sick and I felt really bad about it. It's simply not right.

But if anyone offers legal optin mailing, I would be interested.

I would think hotmail and the other big guys would block on ips?
I would guess I get about 5% of my ADULT mail that is compliant. Mainstream is alot more guessing again 70% compliant. Im not doubting your abilitys just commenting on whats in my inbox.

yeap,mailling is really powerfull when someone knows what to do

It's very dobable. One of the posters in this thread has his hotmail set for whitelist, and I forgot to take his email off my DB which he seeded (the bastard).

So, not only did my email go through his hotmail which was on the highest setting, but he also got to see how I did it, and has long cracked what algo's I was using. But, I can't complain too much, he did get me started in this biz. :)

You fucken tools. There was a guy making 20k/day and just recently he filed bankrupcy. Why? All the big corps sued his ass until he had no more funds. People still make good cash now a days but the big earners invest way MUCH more money then you think. Along with that you pretty much to have to become a ghost because to generate that will be insane heat. You will be served your papers in the matter of weeks, but I am not going to get into that.

So your best bet is to establish a "real" business, it will pay off in the long run. No need to worry about lawsuits and won't have to live your income day by day.

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You are a funny guy.

100 mailers..

You are referring to non can spam compliant mailers. Proxy sending has gone way of the Dodo. Time to move on and become legit.

I am high right now.

old thread to bump
money in mailings...who would have guessed ;)

three years later and i wonder if any of this is still true???

Funny.. I just started getting into mailers lately and it all seems true.

Opt-in lists are "fun"...

It works by installing trojans on other people PC's. The mailers then use those PC's and their unsuspecting users as a proxie to send mails from.

The guys that are making big money from mailing are not doing it on the up and up. They are supporting the very scumbags whom hack and install trojans on our sites.

When you see guys asking for proxies or selling proxies, well that's what they are selling, IP's of infected PC's.

Reguardless if the lists are legit, 9 times out of 10 they are still proxie mailing, which is illegal.

I don't use proxies... I just collect peoples email on my sites and then email them shit like reviews and blog posts. All legit. Free and easy money.

hmm we should talk hehe

:winkwink:

I have been collecting emails the same way but I am wondering what are good sponsors to use? It seems most sponsors don't allow email promo of any kind, even if it is double opt in like the addresses I have.

Yeah... They all say that... And I just pretend I never read that... ;)

You don't use proxies yet you don't adhere to sponsor TOCs? I bet you only send to "triple-opted-in with a verified signature" email as well? All you spammers are shady fuckers, even those sticking shit in my physical mail box. If Dante was alive there'd be a new level of Hell for you bitches.

Anyway, I'll give you one thing, I bet the sponsors really don't give a shit how they get sales though, so good on you, man. Make that cash, I guess. *shrug*

this thread has been a fun read

Yea but I was talking about the guys people think of when talking about mailers. What you are doing is more like a newsletter. Sure it's mailing, but you aren't sending millions of e-mails a day.

Here is a good place for spammers:

http://www.rotten.com/library/death/...gaschamber.jpg

For such an intelligent guy you sure are paranoid.

:error :warning

Spam is gr8. Nothing like going from $0/wk to $400/wk in 2 weeks or so. Conversions looking like 1:25...Spending 20mins of my day then coming back with $100+. All the bills paid without ever having to clock in or listen to anyone...damn those were the good old days

There is a very thin line between compilant or non-compilant mailing, especially if people don't collect these mails themselves. Often mailers have to cross the line partially, since spam filters often don't care if a mailing is legit or not, etc.

There is a reason why it is so damn profitable: Even if you try to abide by the law, it's still risky business.

A mailer that can send 100 sales a day isn't a big webmaster. The sales won't stay, the complaints are high, the trail to converts are the worst in the business.

I figured programs supported them because it was so easy to become a mailer rather than a Webmaster with real skill. So a program could easily get 5 mailers doing 100 sales a day - but they only had 1 whale doing 500 sales a day.

Greed is the drive I guess..