She was a 350lb. black woman. How could they have known she was pregnant?

fuck caring about people and their god damned children.

nothing more disgusting than people having children, breeding out of control and the rest of us gotta sit it out.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR FUCKING KIDS.

pay for your own schools.

make breeding a priviledge not a right.

god damned free public schools is communism crap and should be done away with. i dont support free schools for people having kids all day.

needs to be on page 2

playing this song now....

When you resist arerst the cops will always use force against you. It's not considered "punishment", it's considered subduing someone that must be forced to comply. She was arrested by force, but she was punished by the court.

waking up that day was a part of the string of events...

I woke up this morning, had some milk, read emails... I don't expect or even guess at what any individual in this world will do to me later in the day.

A "string of events" is neither here nor there. What you're talking about is consequences for ones actions.

In this case, the consequences for not signing a ticket and not wanting to get out of a car is NOT to be tazered, whether female, pregnant or a 400 pound football player.

If the officer is unable to handle the situation without inflicting injuries to someone who poses no threat, then he should request assitance from another officer. Surely TWO big officers can get a pregnant woman out of her car, ya think?

The question is, what did she expect would happen? Well, I can tell you right now that NO ONE would expect to be tazered for it. Arrested, yes. Hand cuffed, yes. Those are the consequences for her actions.

100% agreed

Namecalling. The last refuge of the OWNED. :321GFY

You know I'm right, bitches.

Yeah, no kidding... you shouldn't tazer pregnant women, it's just not cool.

She wasn't doing 90 MPH through the zone.

Bookmark this thread and re-read when cops beat the fuck out of or taser someone in your family who isn't a threat to them.

Police stand off :1orglaugh

I already said she was wrong. But there is better ways to diffuse the situation with a pregnant women. She didn't need to be fucking tasered.

The cops are fucking lazy.

I appreciate and thank you for taking the time to state your position. Pointed debate is much more fun than namecalling.

What you are asking the police to do is still a physical confrontation. There's no telling where two officers trying to push and pull a large pregnant woman out of a car would lead. It could very well have lead to injuries on the part of the woman and/or officers. She KNEW she would be forced out of the car yet she chose to remain.

I will say that if they did not want to physically haul her out of the car they should have maced her, not shocked her. But she had it coming when she made her choices and any resonable person would have known that and not allowed the situation to escalate like she did.

This is crazy

Yeah, they should have punched her out, those pussies. :disgust

^ arm chair police law enforcement procedure expert

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How about grabbing her by the wrists and breaking her grip from the steering wheel.

They tossed her around after she was tasered why not use some general force to remove her from the vehicle in the first place.

Going back.. I don't understand why not signing the ticket should lead to being arrested. After all this is how this escalated. She didn't want to sign something (horror!) I trust that is a law in that state. I know in NY they just hand you the ticket and thats it.

:1orglaugh Not like the rest of the posters in this thread, right?

I agree that not signing shouldn't lead to arrest, but the fact of the matter is that it does. Grabbing her wrists and breaking her grip is still physial force and depending on how much she resisted she or the officers could be injured trying to get her out of the car. What's the difference if they got her out with a shock as opposed to a wrestling match? You're assuming a physical confrontation would have resulted in less injury than the taser and you have no way of knowing this. Either way she'd still be bitching about how those unreasonable police brutalized her.

the difference is, you are giving advice on what an officer should do and that behavior has already been deemed abuse of force.

you dont just mace people guy, but you clearly have no clue about when mace or taser "should be used"

Their are laws protecting us citizens from the cops abusing things like mace. But in your perfect world a cop should be able to mace you for refusing to pay a ticket.

heres a clue genius, in some states you can not sign a ticket and thats that.... just keep giving advice, these threads would not be complete without the knowitall "the cop should just mace the bitch" posters.

Cops need more frigging training with those things and the voltages are waaaaaay too high on them. Just a few nights ago an escaped mental patient was talking to himself in a bar, the cops were called and he got really violent, 5 cops could not hold this big fucker down. So they tasered him and cuffed him. Then realized he was DEAD.

They need to realize that not everyone's heart can handle that kind of voltage in excess of 30,000 volts. When a suspect is fully agitated their heart rate is too high to sustain such a jolt.

I like the way the court could not deciede if she was resisting arrest. She was only fined for not signing the ticket ;)

As someone that carries a Taser and who was voluntarily Tasered as part of my training - I must weigh in on this... on several points.

First.... not signing the ticket. On pretty much every citiation issued in the country it CLEARLY states on the ticket that signing it is NOT an admission of guilt - but it is your promise to appear in court. If you refuse to sign it - you are basically saying that you won't show up in court. ANY CHARGE - no matter how small - is an arrestible offense anywhere in the US. Any time you get any sort of ticket - you are technically under arrest - but the officer may choose to relase you at the scene ("ROR" - "Released on own Recognizance").

Second - Law Enforcement uses a simple motto when it comes to use of force. We use the "ask.... tell... make" matrix. First, I will "ask" you do do something. If you refuse, I willl "tell" you to do something. If that doesn't work - I will "make" you do it. This woman was given more than enough opportunities to comply. If she would have simply signed the ticket - she'd be on her way and could have tried to beat it in court. SHE CHOOSE to make this into an incident.

Third - contrary to what the media is trying to portray lately - the Taser is the safest law enforcement tool invented in the past 20 years. Now - there will be plenty of bleeding heart liberals that will spout off all of this crap about how dangerous they are. But... there has not been one single death that can be solely attributed to the use of a Taser (there have been people that have died after Taser use - but in ALL cases there have been other factors such as drugs, alchohol, or medical issues). The company that makes Tasers (Taser International) has NEVER lost a lawsuit involving their product.

Now - there are some of you that just hat cops and everything they do. You will always say they are wrong. So - there is no sense in trying to change your mind. But - as someone that has been Tasered - I can tell you that I'd take the Taser any day over pepper spray - a baton - or other physical control tactics that could be used. It hurt for 5 seconds - then I just felt like I had been working out for about 10 hours. My body was tired and my muscles weak.... but there was NO long term effect. Yes.... it hurt like hell..... but with pepper spray you are still burning the next day. With physical control techniques (like wrist locks and "come alongs" like someone else mentioned) there is ALWAYS the possiblity of injuring the suspect. And, this was a BIG woman. Deciding to use physical control techniques could have easily led to injury.

Yes.... this incident looks bad - and plays bad in the media. She will probably get herself a civil settlement. But the fact remains.... Tasers are here to stay. They are safe - and they work. In the city where I work - since we implemented Tasers a little over a year ago - injuries to officers and suspects are down 90%, and our officers have been involved in 1 (one) shooting - compared to 7 for the same time period before the Tasers (and the guy that was shot was holding a gun to the head of a woman.... a Taser was not an option). In EVERY city where Tasers are used - injuries and shootings drop dramatically.

Anyway - I just had to weigh in on this one.

The behavior was not deemed abuse of force and I'm hardly the only one in this thread who offered any advice on how the situation might have been handled. No one was maced for refusing to pay a ticket. You are jailed for that.

Take this clue, genius. What they do in other states doesn't matter a bit in this case.

Once again...THE DUMB BITCH HAD IT COMING. Sign the fucking thing and be on your merry way. Simple.

Thank you , officer. Have a nice day. :)

EDIT- THAT'S how you handle a cop.

Tasering a clearly pregnant woman was obviously an overuse of force.

However, as a parent I am glad this happened. Every day while dropping off and picking up my son, I see many many people breaking the 15 MPH limit, because they can't get their act together to be at their kid's school on time or they just don't give a shit.

Now this story is is millions of parents heads. I can guarantee you a lot of people will be driving slower in school zones at least for a while, not for fear of getting tasered, but just because they will be more conscious of getting busted.

Multiply this across the country/world and this hormonally psycho bitch has probably inadvertantly saved a few kids lives :thumbsup

If you're a cop you are not a very bright one. You are not under arrest when receiving a ticket or when you are pulled over, you are being detained, big difference and one you should know.

A third of the people in this country have some type of medical condition, so your motto is shoot and ask questions later.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...r-report_x.htm

There were 103 Taser stun gun-related deaths in the United States and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005, according to an Amnesty International report released Friday.

In the first three months of this year, there were 13 Taser-related deaths ? compared with six during the same period last year, the report said.

The stun guns have been touted as less lethal than other ways of subduing combative people in high-risk situations, but Tasers have come under increasing scrutiny as a number of deaths have been blamed, at least partially, on the devices.

If asking her to step out, then grabbing her and pulling her out didn't work... what do they do they? you tell us.

She put her child in the car at risk by speeding, she put other children at risk by speeding through a school zone, and she put her unborn child at risk for not taking the ticket and resisting arrest. I don't necessarily agree with the taser as I am sure a good yank could have gotten her out of the car, but she was totally at fault here and the course of action she took endangered more people than needed to be.

This woman is at fault, if the officer was by himself and felt as if he could not control the woman he had every right to use necessary force. The fact is we are all speculating, we don't know how big the woman was, if she was being irate, swinging her arms, fighting to hold onto the steering wheel etc.

The news story sounds pretty generic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=comprehension

i was referring to macing her.

this is why i dont argue with kids here on GFY anymore.

theres no money in it!

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learn comprehension before replying

Come on, you don't do that to a pregnant lady

Who has deemed mace use of excessive force?

Kid? I'm older than you, son. Old enough to have outgrown a kneejerk "fuck the police!" reaction to every law enforcement situation.


Don't you have your own lame ass board to spew your totally-hardcore-radical-dude rantings?

Has anybody considered that the baby may be born a superhero now?

Normally I would come into a thread like this. Be completely shocked that something like this happen.

Instead... I'm going to put on a John Cougar record.

"Ain't that America... Something to see baby... Ain't that America... Home of the Free."

Indeed. It's amazing how many people these days are conditioned to always react in favor of police and government abuse of power.

i love when they bring up my board - yes, DMPM

:1orglaugh

just keep posting.

http://www.ch33rs.com

You're board is straight comedy. Always good for a laugh.

typical thread...

I'm so hardcore!

You ARE hardcore, bro!

No, YOU'RE hardcore, dude!

WE are so fucking hardcore, man!

No shit, bro. We listen to punk rock and hate authority!

yeah, and youre GLUED TO BUSINESS THREADS ON GFY :1orglaugh

ill use you for hits, what are you gaining again?

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Crazy ass pregnant moms lol... They get nuts sometimes.

Ther are also laws protecting us citizens from unsafe drivers. But in your perfect world a pregnant women should be allowed to choose wheteher or not she should have to comply with those laws.

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money is worth more.

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OMFG... :1orglaugh

32 in a 20 which was a school zone...she was speeding around her kid's school where other children were walking...putting other people's children in harms way..fuck the bitch.

Money's not everything. Don't tell me you've knuckled under to the corporate machine propaganda that places material gain above all else, Hardcore. Say it ain't so!

:1orglaugh

Try looking up the definition of subdue
sub·due Audio pronunciation of "subdue" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sb-d, -dy)
tr.v. sub·dued, sub·du·ing, sub·dues

1. To conquer and subjugate; vanquish. See Synonyms at defeat.
2. To quiet or bring under control by physical force or persuasion; make tractable.

Sorry but you are a complete tool.

Now you've really hurt my feelings. :(

ah the turning point of a thread.

when everyone is just arguing about semantics and the meaning of words.

:upsidedow

why are you playing semantics now?

oh wait, i know now... when fletch posts attention is drawn. quick everyone get your sig in.

and check the views on this thread BTW ;)

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I'm not arguing semantics..you said a taser was to be used to subdue someone.
She was not under control but resisting arrest...and that's what it was used for..to bring her under control by physical force.

You were clearly wrong. I know you're young and naive but part of growing up is just admitting it and not rebelling at every chance you get. :winkwink:

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good work everyone.

but now i must be off to run errand. mailman came gotta drop checks off and hit po box.

cheers everyone, see you in a week.