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geeksta 05-27-2005 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Odin88
I'll tell you one thing, 80% of tourists in Bali are Australian, and just about everyone there relies on tourism. I knew heaps of Australians who loved going to Bali, who where planning on going Bali, etc but not one now wants to travel there. All I can say is suck shit to the dickheads.

By the way, to put things in perspective the guy who was the mastermind behind the Bali bombings (the leader) got 4 years in jail! I guess Bali is fucked anyway!


It's my understanding that drugs are prosecuted harder than anything else in the third world. And if you are a westerner caught in the middle of anything you are really fucked.

It may be pretty, the surfing good, but why travel anywhere that you are a target just for being western. no thanks. i'd rather spend my money in australia anyhow! :thumbsup

baddog 05-27-2005 10:24 PM

if it was coke, I would believe she was set up . . . pot I think was just her personal stash, or was bringing to friends

bigdog 05-27-2005 10:26 PM

i don't ever plan on going there

Joe Citizen 05-27-2005 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
if it was coke, I would believe she was set up . . . pot I think was just her personal stash, or was bringing to friends

Nine pounds of pot was her personal stash?

I'm a heavy smoker and that would take me a couple of years to work my way through.

SpeedoDave 05-27-2005 10:51 PM

Too tough a call - I'm an Aussie but haven't lived there for a couple of years.

I can see the whole conspiracy theory thing and her taking 4kgs of weed in doesn't make sense hey but the Indonesians had to show the world and their other neighbours that they have a back bone.

I really don't know where to sit on this one.

spooky181 05-27-2005 10:58 PM

I've talked to maybe 50 seperate peeps who used to travel to Bali regularly. But now will never travel there again, me included. People here feel really strongly about her innocence.

Odin88 05-27-2005 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
if it was coke, I would believe she was set up . . . pot I think was just her personal stash, or was bringing to friends

No drugs where found in her system.

BlueDesignStudios 05-27-2005 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt_WC
Disgusted by the verdict and just hope they can get a pardon by the President of Bali but not holding my breath.


Apparently for a pardon u gotta first admit you're guilty.. so it's kinda like a catch 22 :warning

BlueDesignStudios 05-27-2005 11:05 PM

I guess while there is obviously doubt about her motives - there have been no other suitable evidence as to how the drugs got there.

If it's not profitable for an individual to import drugs to bali, then it's not profitable for baggage handlers to do it either...

aimar78 05-27-2005 11:27 PM

I dont understand why Aussies love to go to Bali & Thailand so much, we have the best Beaches in the world here in Australia yet thousands of people insist on going to some 3rd world shithole.

As for Corby I reckon shes guilty, and if you smuggle drugs into another country you take a risk, and if you get caught you pay the price. Its just that simple.

'I think the entire nation feels for this girl,' John Howard, the Prime Minister, said. 'But we have to accept the justice system of other countries. I ask that we all pause and understand the situation and recognise and respect that when we visit other countries we are subject to the laws and rules of those countries.'

This is the first time in my life I agree with John Howard.

SmokeyTheBear 05-27-2005 11:31 PM

50 racist judges.

I'll tell you the #1 reason she cant be guilty.. It would make ZERO sense ( or profit ) to smuggle weed INTO indonesia..

bhutocracy 05-27-2005 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
I guess while there is obviously doubt about her motives - there have been no other suitable evidence as to how the drugs got there.

If it's not profitable for an individual to import drugs to bali, then it's not profitable for baggage handlers to do it either...

The baggage handlers were shifting the drugs INTERSTATE. ie, from some queensland grower to the sydney market. The domestic flights have little or no restrictions unlike flying out of the country.. if you've got someone on the inside you can move it around very easily.. if baggage handlers HAVE JUST BEEN CHARGED WITH RUNNING DRUGS IN THE LAST MONTH doesn't that say something? I've heard interviews with a baggage handler talking about people using it to ship it around.

The problem is that the baggage handler supposed to intercept it at Sydney fucked up and left it in the boogie board case where it went to Bali.

Moving pot interstate is a big thing.. Adelaide and Queensland > Sydney where people buy shit per GRAM. lol

bhutocracy 05-27-2005 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cjaccardi
oh well you do the crime you do the time


she smuggled it , no way was it some "australian bag handlers ring"

You don't know shit.

"A ROGUE baggage handler who intercepted drug mules' bags before Customs could inspect them enabled a Sydney cocaine syndicate to smuggle more than $10million worth of the drug, police claim.

Investigations are believed to centre on a group of six baggage handlers at Sydney airport.
News of the probe came after the arrest of 11 men on Monday when police wound up a multi-million-dollar cocaine-importing syndicate in Sydney after a five-month investigation. "

May 11

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15248266-2,00.html

BlueDesignStudios 05-28-2005 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
The baggage handlers were shifting the drugs INTERSTATE. ie, from some queensland grower to the sydney market. The domestic flights have little or no restrictions unlike flying out of the country.. if you've got someone on the inside you can move it around very easily.. if baggage handlers HAVE JUST BEEN CHARGED WITH RUNNING DRUGS IN THE LAST MONTH doesn't that say something? I've heard interviews with a baggage handler talking about people using it to ship it around.

The problem is that the baggage handler supposed to intercept it at Sydney fucked up and left it in the boogie board case where it went to Bali.

Moving pot interstate is a big thing.. Adelaide and Queensland > Sydney where people buy shit per GRAM. lol

yeah no doubt baggage handlers do move some drugs around like that, though I reckon it's easier to truck it interstate, there's no risk

it only makes sense to import / export drugs via airports because you can get it through security

Joe Citizen 05-28-2005 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
50 racist judges.

I'll tell you the #1 reason she cant be guilty.. It would make ZERO sense ( or profit ) to smuggle weed INTO indonesia..

How the fuck would you know?

bhutocracy 05-28-2005 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
My theory is this: She either knew a grower or someone close to her did (family?). She figured she could pay for her holiday and even come back with a fair bit of money in her pocket. The shit was vacuum sealed and fit perfectly into the boogie board bag. It's too neat..

She could do that in australia for a higher profit and a zillion times less risk

HollywoodChris 05-28-2005 12:29 AM

gees, I didnt know you already posted this. I just saw it on the news...


I have a girlfriend in Peru that has been there for 8 years for the same type of issue. Freaks me out knowing all the shit my friend has been through in the jails of Peru.


-Chris

Joe Citizen 05-28-2005 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
She could do that in australia for a higher profit and a zillion times less risk

This is why I'm interested in the price and availability of high-grade hydro in Bali.

xclusive 05-28-2005 12:51 AM

Just bullshit once that tourism dies down because of this she will be let go

bhutocracy 05-28-2005 01:01 AM

boycottbali.com is taken lol
Creation Date: 21-apr-2005 just a week ago.

BlueDesignStudios 05-28-2005 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
boycottbali.com is taken lol
Creation Date: 21-apr-2005 just a week ago.

I doubt all the boycott stuff will come to much - it's the cheapest & closest OS holiday for aussies so they'll go anyway :2 cents:

Odin88 05-28-2005 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
I doubt all the boycott stuff will come to much - it's the cheapest & closest OS holiday for aussies so they'll go anyway :2 cents:

Few people with officially 'boycott' them. But you can sure as hell bet that not many Australians (in comparison to beforehand) want to go there anymore. I know heaps of people who used to go there, none of them want to go back anymore.

samsam 05-28-2005 01:27 AM

Theres no fucking reason to take pot to indonesia..... you might take pot from indonesia to try and sell in the USA but the other way around is DUMB ASS.

Thats another reason you can safely say she is innocent.

baddog 05-28-2005 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Odin88
No drugs where found in her system.


okay, so she was bringing it to friends . . . no one is going to go thru the trouble of smuggling 9 lbs of weed for profit

baddog 05-28-2005 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy
You don't know shit.

"A ROGUE baggage handler who intercepted drug mules' bags before Customs could inspect them enabled a Sydney cocaine syndicate to smuggle more than $10million worth of the drug, police claim.

Investigations are believed to centre on a group of six baggage handlers at Sydney airport.
News of the probe came after the arrest of 11 men on Monday when police wound up a multi-million-dollar cocaine-importing syndicate in Sydney after a five-month investigation. "

May 11

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15248266-2,00.html


Big diff between coke and weed . . . too bulky, not enough profit margin. Not worth the trouble :2 cents:

bhutocracy 05-28-2005 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
I doubt all the boycott stuff will come to much - it's the cheapest & closest OS holiday for aussies so they'll go anyway :2 cents:

They reckon Fiji tourism has spiked in the past few months. I've been to Fiji and Vanuatu but never Bali. Not for any particular reason, just I don't think many people make a big distinction between the various tropical islands - I know I didn't. And since then we've had Indonesian's massacre of East Timorese, terrorist attacks and a very shoddy public trial whatever the real facts are.

I mean sure the majority of resistance will fade away, tourist operators will start selling Bali again... but there will still be an ongoing drop... plus a lot of people saying it aren't boycotting.. they're just scared of having the same thing happen.

AdultMovies.bz 05-28-2005 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
50 racist judges.

I'll tell you the #1 reason she cant be guilty.. It would make ZERO sense ( or profit ) to smuggle weed INTO indonesia..

Spoton!

Also, how the fuck does a person get a whole body board bag full of pot into an Australian international airport, past the customs and past the sniffer dogs and onto an international flight in the first place... I've been traveling in and out of Aus plenty of times and know for a fact that such a task would be impossible to do. :2 cents:

Matt_WildCash 05-28-2005 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
I doubt all the boycott stuff will come to much - it's the cheapest & closest OS holiday for aussies so they'll go anyway :2 cents:

There are A LOT of Australians who feel very disgusted by this innocent girl going to prison. People will remember for a couple of years at least and travel will drop for awhile. But people will forget and travel go back up. And of course large amount of people will not care and go anyways but I believe there will be a drop thats for sure.

You type in corby into google and they are buying PPC for boycotbali .com or something. (I like it they don't deserve our money).

Mr.Fiction 05-28-2005 01:51 AM

Is 20 years really that much more than you would get in the U.S. for having 9 pounds?

You can get life in the U.S. if you get busted three times.

How many of these anti-Indonesia people are outraged by the fucked up U.S. laws?

Many right wingers want life in jail for pot smokers in America - why are they complaining when it happens in other parts of the world?

JeanClaude VanDamme 05-28-2005 01:53 AM

20 years is a fair sentence in indonesia...

I remember a French guy called Michael Blanc, found guilty for the same drug problem, he was sentenced to life... Only for 4Kg of pot !!!

Fuck indonesia !

Odin88 05-28-2005 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Is 20 years really that much more than you would get in the U.S. for having 9 pounds?

You can get life in the U.S. if you get busted three times.

How many of these anti-Indonesia people are outraged by the fucked up U.S. laws?

Many right wingers want life in jail for pot smokers in America - why are they complaining when it happens in other parts of the world?

The fact is the case has been very weak from day 1, and it has been very obvious (from the various interviews, etc) the Judge never really had any other verdict in his mind. If the case had been in Australia she would of almost certainly got off, and whilst people have to realise different nations have different laws, you can't blame people for not being happy when someone is convicted (by their standards) on a very weak case, and is given such a lengthy sentence.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 05-28-2005 02:02 AM

I know she is someones sister, dauhgter, freind, but at the end of the day, everyone should respect Indonesia's laws on drugs, i only wish we had the same laws here in Australia, She is guilty, everyone knows that pot in Bali is shit and Australia has better quality pot (I dont touch the stuff but it is a know fact) she would have been taking it over there for her sister and why was her brother not present during the trial the brother that was flying there with her, most likley the pot was his and her other Brother is in Jail over here in Australia.

Do the Crime do the Time.........

Batts

Matt_WildCash 05-28-2005 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Is 20 years really that much more than you would get in the U.S. for having 9 pounds?

You can get life in the U.S. if you get busted three times.

How many of these anti-Indonesia people are outraged by the fucked up U.S. laws?

Many right wingers want life in jail for pot smokers in America - why are they complaining when it happens in other parts of the world?

Yes US laws are just as fucked up, US gives out 10-20+ year anal raping sentences like candy. US jails are so inhuman they should all be sued and cleaned up IMO.

You get put in jail in US for 1-5 years, anal raped white boy and traded around by your black pimp daddy for packs of cigerettes. You get aids and you have no protection in jail. You get out you've got a death sentence with aids and you can't sue the jail cause "as a prisoner you have NO RIGHTS"

That is disgusting as well. US isn't that much better than Indonesia in many ways re: anal rape no protection for prisoners. Countries without such bad drug problems give our (fair) sentences, you get caught with 9 pounds of marajuana and you get 5 years in jail, get caught with 1 pound get 1 year and probation. Thats how it should be but US and these other countries have so much drug problems they have to just put these people away for large sentences to get them off the street cause there is so many of them. Which I can understand to some degree but I do feel strongly that if your forced to be put in jail and have someone take control of your saftely that those people should be responsible for providing protection for you or face big penalties.

$5 submissions 05-28-2005 02:13 AM

Another case of 3rd World selectively enforced laws. They blast the mules and runners but leave the Kingpins alone. Fucked up.

bhutocracy 05-28-2005 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Batts
I only wish we had the same laws here in Australia
Batts

Fuck off to Indonesia then.
Death penalty for pot? Jesus. Get your head out of your ass.

*shakes head*

BlueDesignStudios 05-28-2005 02:49 AM

Seems to be two issues going on here..

1) Is she guilty or not
2) Is 20 years fair / reasonable / appropriate

everyone can have a guess at 1), but for 2), it's a matter for each country to decide themselves....other countries can't export their values or beliefs.. there are lots of countries with 'unreasonable' policies and laws, but what gives one the right to judge another?

bigdog 05-28-2005 05:37 AM

she is lucky she only got 20 years, they give people the death penalty for drugs in Bali

directfiesta 05-28-2005 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by geeksta
Isn't there an US porn filmmaker being held in a Panamanian jail right now for nothing? I thought I read about that somewhere.

Guy shooting for Devil's films ... some of his crew also jailed. :warning

Fletch XXX 05-28-2005 08:30 AM

i think if she was black and ugly most of you wouldnt give a shit thats what i think

EddiePulp 05-28-2005 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
I doubt all the boycott stuff will come to much - it's the cheapest & closest OS holiday for aussies so they'll go anyway :2 cents:

Thailand or Vietnam is a close alternative.


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