as if I don't have enough domains now

Missed the topspot!

I remember talk of .xxx way even before 2000


BIG B
CECash.com

ALSO for the record ( stupid people as well)
I am not attacking Aly Drummond personally

I am addressing issues she isn't even aware of-
Maybe with a little light shining down upon her, she can read the writing on the wall...

It's all BULLSHIT

I appreciate that, KB. Thanks.

Feel free to throw a flashlight my way anytime.. :winkwink:

reality is - there isn't an UNBIASED news organization on the planet.

no matter how hard one tries to be unbiased - someone will feel not properly represented.


a better and more truthful answer from avn would be something more like - we report on what WE feel is relevant in the industry at the time of the report and are trying to just report on it not really giving a shit who we might favor or piss off or how you will preceive it.


- an answer like that I'd have more respect for.

Make me the scapegoat for the biz I can handle it-
You work for a company that is notorious for it's deception and lies-

I could care less about their hidden agenda I care about paying my rent and the companies I represent being able to live another day.

You care about making a decent impression on your bosses- which is why you are posting -

Although I still don't know how working for AVN"s INternext and scheduling speakers and making surveys has anything to do with making a post about the FSC, .XXX, or 2257

Don't u have tradeshow business coming up that you need to sell? Or improvements that need to made in FLA regarding the show?

I don't see how you arguing with me on this chatboard does anything to help AVN. It only opens up a can of more worms-

I bet you think you'll be put into the position of Publisher some day by being a lap dog for your bosses-

Call my sister in law and ask her about how her promotion went over there-

HA!

So, if you CARE about allowing filtering and cleaning up of the interWeb, and protecting the kids, why aren't you guys actively pushing the already existing ICRA right now?


simple question...


.

How about his one Scott-
"We report on those people who put money in our pockets in the form of advertising and give awards and accolades to those who kiss our asses."

It's much more fitting

I think everyone seems to be over-reacting and reading far too much into what they think will happen in the future.

.XXX as a proposal is a good idea; it helps ISPs and parental groups who have so often gone after the online adult business.

This thread seems to read into things and automatically assume the US government can force .com owners to remove content, this is completely false. The MPAA/RIAA have spent considerable time and money lobbying to get this enforced so they could quickly and convieniently shut down p2p sites trading copyright protected content with no success. Why would they go to the trouble of removing servers from hosts and working with international police forces if they could shut down the site through the registrar? They can't and never will be able to. If they can't do this for various crimes then I doubt they will start for legal pornography.

Attacking AVN and anyone who voices a positive opinion at this stage is not the best use of your time. I'd suggest waiting and seeing what happens before you start making allegations

in my own personal experience i've never really done anything for avn and they've been exceptionally good to me, and i've even slammed them on the boards multiple times.

but that description does describe how I run my own business. :thumbsup

8char...

KB,

good to see you take a stand on this issue. I won't get into it all again, but I do remember saying a few years ago this would happen. Not trying to come off as MR. Right, but we had all these discussions before. Lots of peeps said I was full of shit :( I wish I was.

Look as I said before - this is nothing but "Net Zoning Laws" or will be soon anyways.

Do I support it NO, do I like it, NO, do I think it will become reality, well Copa was struck down 2 times I think. So if there are good first ammed. issues and suits to follow mabey it won't be the all end game that the right wingers and Bush Admin wants.

If it does become law someday where we all get pushed to .xxx, WTF can you do. I am not going to give up a great business. In any biz you have to roll with the punches. There are new regs all the time in diff. industrys..

I give to Aclu alot, and others......

Peace

i think this sums it up.

my advise - listen when someone is bitching but NEVER make YOUR business decisions based on someone else's experiences. just use those to open your eyes a little more.

just cause one person has a bad experience with a company or person doesn't mean YOU will have a bad experience with them. Ok if hundreds had a bad experience maybe - but a lone voice from a fired employee - ok, it's family but seriously - think about it KB......

Nobody could pay me enough to kiss their ass, KB. I thought you knew that.

And given all this drama, you probably couldn't pay me enough to be publisher either! :winkwink:

Scott more to this story- I'll gladly post all the inaccuracies and untruths in the next couple of weeks-

You all can read TRUE FACTUAL evidence about companies you decide to biz with -
NOT JUST AVN-

Then we'll see if I am motivated by my sister lawsuit or if I am more motivated on telling the truth about peopl ein this industry who DO NOTHING FOR YOU AND I-

Just make up BS and LIES

You'd make more than $25,000 in that position though-
Doesn't my buddy over there make $80,000 a yr?

Where is he in all of this?

How come the publishers and owners aren't talking but you are?
Is this your job? Are you the Communications Director for AVN?

:-))

I think if your organization wants to profit from webmasters-
They shouls at least show their faces once in a while don't you?

Has Paul or Darren Roberts ever made a post here? Have they ever introduced themselves to webmasters?

How about Farley?- He has made 4 posts and he is the PUBLISHER OF AVN ONLINE
A MAGAZINE FOR WEBMASTERS

This is the problem ALY
If you work for a company that is concerned about us, the little neophyte webmasters- how come they can't address us?

Are they too good for us?

I hear crickets churping

CHurp churp churp..

This thread will die very soon
I guarantee it.

ok, I took the bait....bump ;)


:thumbsup

and for the record I'd like to state that I endorse and supoort the ASACP whole heartedly-

They have nothing to do with supporting this .XXX thing- they are a non profit organization who needs to fight for the rights of children.

However that being said, .XXX"s intentions were noble years ago when they brought this up as a way to fight CP- however no one looked deeper into the issues of segregation this would have on the industry.

Where were all the high power attorneys when this was presented originally?

I do however feel that 2257 is equally unjust for the performers will be in grave jeopardy with all of their personal information- other than that fact I am all for doing away with FREE PORN - I know I won't be a popular person for saying this, but it's truly how I feel.

It should be harder for kids to access porn sites-
BUT this .XXX is bad for this industry in so many ways-

It makes us a real target, and I feel I can do this industry a lot of good by hitting up my media contacts and exposing the hypocrisy of the Government. I know that many people do not want me to be their voice-
BUT TOUGH

I am going to exercise my right to FREE SPEECH whether AVN, this industry, ICM , or anyone else wants me to or not.

what's the big deal anyways

Once again ,
I am right.

Damn. This thread is an eye-opener. :)

You are G-d damned right!

http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html
ICM

* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: ICM
* From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx
* Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400

ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry
make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes
sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major
deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to
eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a
self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that
promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional
business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising
awareness about this subject.

ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography
laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has
received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of
which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to
the F.B.I and NCMEC.

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible
business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and
support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the
adult industry and the global community.


Sincerely,


Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP

Tony they didn't pass .XXX it was passed by ICANN
U cannot fault ASACP for taking a cut. It was a deal made a long time ago that is it were passed they'd get behind it and support it-

It passed...Now what?

I know that NO ONE ever thought this would ever go through.

Are you kidding me you really think Icann didnt weigh a endorsement from a major child protection org. Remember this when we are all back to day jobs lol.

Why don't "they" leave us alone?

I didn't say that- I am on your side Tony-
I just know there was more than the ASACP behind this -

I'll keep doing my due diligence.
And I have already updated my mainstream resume

:pimp

Man day jobs suck, I have to shave then and get rid of my ear ring yuck lol

lol

I would have to refrain from swearing

I have a better question:

Who made Aly stop posting on behalf of AVN?

LOL

Told you the thread would die-
I am not letting it though.

people need to see the opinions and BS and form their own opinions on what they should do -
Don't be sheep, and don't be a follower-

Get educated and fight back!

See, now this is where you lose credibility KB, and I genuinely wish you'd notice the difference. I like a loud-mouth, I like it when someone speaks up, I'm not at all fond of sheep either, but you're placing an assumption as FACT here. If you have real facts, run with them... make some noise, but don't assume to somehow just 'know' what's going on when you couldn't possibly.

Use your powers for GOOD goddammit!

The only reason I stopped posting in this thread is because a discussion with you never ends. I have other threads to post in and other work to do. You always have to get the last word... and then make a fuss about me getting on with my job and not responding.

This could go on forever... and ever... and never end... but I really do have other things to do. If anyone else has questions or concerns, feel free to hit me up, but I'm not able to play with KB all day. Sorry.

Then stop crying to our friends that I am making fun of you and taking shots at you.

You know who I am taking shots at - and if you want to take "ownership" in your workplace, then you have to deal with it sweetie.

I take shots all day for the people I promote and shit i have done in my past and you know what?
I deal with IT-

I also admit when I was wrong.
I am NOT wrong.

Do I have a perosnal axe to grind? You may make it seem that way to others in regards to my sister in laws's lawsuit she has pending with AVN

But the truth of the matter is-
They do not have clean hands in this matter- or any matter as far as I am concerned-

I think I was and am privy to a lot of information you'll never really know.

Once agin , How does making posts about 2257 and .XXX help your Summer Internext?

I may be in the minority but I, for one, fully support the use of .xxx domains IF the .com owners are given first right of refusal for their name in .xxx and although I can't speak with any authority on the subject - it is my belief that they will.

Is that the only issue you can come up with here? you read through about 100 posts and that is what you think this is all about?

god save us from retards

No Mike, I know the issues as well as you do - just don't think I needed to rehash them one by one.

If you have to resort to insults to make your point - it really lessens any attempt on your part for an intelligent conversation though.

hi bama-

well, you have the keyword being "if" and there is a lot to investigate and report about the difference between applicants who maintain ownership of: a dot com, a trademark, and those with a dot com and a trademark.

"If" is your keyword.

i have a higher postcount than bama and mikesouth btw

Darn Newbies!

LOL

Wow, you're onto something there!
:1orglaugh

You bring up good points and yes, there are some assumptions that would have to be made in regards to offering the .xxx to the owner of the same name in .com

I would assume, and yes, it is just an assumption, that someone who owned a registered trademark would have already taken the necessary legal steps to protect their intellectual property against somone who owned the domain of the same name.

The point that I was trying to convey, and I may have done a poor job of, is that if the government has imminent domain (and they do already) and they decide to pick your house up and move it to make room for a new freeway - they can.

What they can't do is sell your house from up under you - thus offering up the .xxx to the .com owners.

From the posts I've read so far I take it that most are worried that ISP's will block .xxx domains and what is being overlooked is that ISP's can block any domain they want now already - stop acting like this is some new "thing" that couldn't already happen.

I'm reading alot of "they'll do that", "it's the first step of that" and quite honestly I don't believe anyone here is an authority on anything other than how to yank your pud - myself included so enough of the "Listen to me the sky is falling - I know what I'm talking about - doomsday cryouts already".

CNN isn't calling anyone for their expert opinion, Congress isn't asking any of you to testify and no one is offering up a book deal.

.xxx may not be good for an individual webmaster but it is good for the industy.

.xxx is bad for webmasters, bad for the industry, and bad for free speech.

As long as you are against those three things, you should support .xxx.

i hope all the clients you represent know that you feel this way - cause most of the old school dumbass idiots that keep tooting this line don't have the real traffic or cash anymore.

maybe you should put that in your sig, i'm sure it'll help you business endevors these days. :thumbsup


buuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

cnn did a piece on it already and i am seeing it in the media.

tgp traffic is the shizznit and kb is sounding like a content producer.

I highly doubt you know the issues as well as him , in fact I would bet Mike has forgotten more than you know. lol Also good for the industry? when US is blocked from .xxx by isps pounced on by religious groups . One minister threaten microsoft and they folded. Microsoft! That one statement shows how little you truly know

i heard avn converts better than the button in your sig

Dang Sleazy - if you were anyone with any accomplishments - that would have hurt :)

someday someone will pay for porn. untill that day I'm giving it away

They already have.... Even the Democrats. ask Lebberman what he thinks LOL

2005 .xxx created.
2006 .xxx filtered and isp blocks .xxx unless surfer pays an additional fee for porn access. or .xxx comes blocked by default in IE just like popups. or blocked by default in AOL, etc...
2007 if we are really unlucky govt will force all nude sites to use .xxx by law, which is already filtered.

Some of you should read some main stream websites... everyone who comments on these stories who looks at porn thinks it is cool... .xxx is cool i see my porn there. everyone else is saying good, now they got it, next thing they need to do is enforce it. 9 out of 10 surfers already want .xxx enforcement before it has even been implimented. some of you need to wake up and take a look at what is going on.