Originally Posted by Connor

Jknowing that you are getting funding from ICM for every domain name sold?

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx.

Originally Posted by JPeterman

If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already).

She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?

Originally Posted by JPeterman

who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Originally Posted by Joan

IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP.

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

Originally Posted by JPeterman

Who is watching the watchers?

Originally Posted by rankscom

Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold?

If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc)

Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography"...

It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered.

It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one.

p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension.

Originally Posted by rankscom

I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

Originally Posted by tony404

How can you not see that as a endorsement are you kidding me, its a positive letter about the icm written by the head of a child protection org. If they truly had no postion they would said nothing.

Originally Posted by Choker

The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks

Originally Posted by Connor

Do you REALLY think that's how ICANN would view it? As a generic, general, neutral message that is neither for nor against dot xxx? Or do you think they'd check that one off as support? Put yourself in ICANN's position and read it again. Not the words "support" and "applaud" in there. I make a living with written words, and I don't view those words and neutral.

There are plenty of ways to fight child porn without the entire adult industry being put in this awful position. I've been in this industry for a long time now... when it was just forming AS an industry. I think this industry is unlike any other, and for the most part I love its culture. It disturbs me to see people from INSIDE the industry put it at this kind of risk voluntarily.

Originally Posted by JPeterman

Let me ask another. Does ASACP still take XXL-Cash's sponsor money, even after XXL-Cash's processing was terminated by CCbill for direct links to child porn? The ASACP banner flying on the XXL-Cash site is proof of your ineffectiveness and incompetence.

Originally Posted by Connor

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Originally Posted by rankscom

Just my opinion. But you're right, the government may look at that as a form of endorsement, even though she isn't giving direct support to .xxx as an official ICANN domain. My only point is her "intentions" and that's what I'm trying to figure out here. It appears like she made very bad judgement, but everyone appears to be hanging her and ASACP on a tight noose for her death which might be a little pre-mature at this point. This is why I asked some other questions, it's important we know all the facts here. I don't think this letter alone proves enough evil intent on Joan's part.

Originally Posted by rankscom

Yep, can't argue with this. ASACP will have a hard time backpeddling this.

Evidence is much more clear. Thanks Connor.

Originally Posted by Connor

Evil intent is a different ballgame. Nobody at ASACP is evil. But that doesn't mean a decision wasn't made for the wrong reasons, and now the rest of the industry is paying for that decision. We have so many people from the OUTSIDE gunning for this industry that the last thing we needed right now was people from the INSIDE supporting something like dot XXX, something that will almost certainly be used against us.

Originally Posted by Connor

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

Originally Posted by JMan

(Hope y'all can read JManese :1orglaugh )

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I can ready JManese, I'll translate:

ASACP sold us out. :321GFY

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I can read JManese, I'll translate:

ASACP sold us out. :321GFY

Originally Posted by JMan

But if you are HERE on GFY and say you are part of OUR Industry then start sitting on our side and look at the big picture.

Originally Posted by JPeterman

who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Originally Posted by JMan

Hahahahah indeed you do my friend.

Something must be done for Child Pornography and if they on the ball on that, God Bless.

But if you are HERE on GFY and say you are part of OUR Industry then start sitting on our side and look at the big picture.

Originally Posted by JMan

It's how we will as an industry, Roll with the Punches that will make a difference.

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

Originally Posted by baddog

I think I am pretty well known for being against any Chicken Little, the sky is falling issues that have come along. My theory is that the strong survive, however, .xxx could be a pretty heavy knockout blow, when you take into consideration things like processors and ISP's and how they can use it against us.

Originally Posted by Connor

Joan -

I'm glad that you replied, and I have a tremendous amount of repsect for you personally. I'm sorry that we're on opposite ends of this issue, and I'm sure there will be other issues on which we both agree. Dot XXX will never be one of them, however.

The problem is that ASACP in fact DID support the creation of dot xxx. That's what you're doing when you send in a letter to ICANN during the application process saying that you "applaud" and "support" ICM. You are helping to make something possible that affects the ENTIRE industry.

I don't know who at ASACP made that decision... was it the advisory council? Was it you personally? Whoever made that decision made a choice that affects a whole lot of webmasters, and made it IN SPITE of the fact that the only public industry meeting on .XXX resulted in a DOWN vote. If that choice goes bad for a lot of people then certainly you can see how they would be a little upset at the people who affected their business. ICM needed the support of industry groups in order to get their application approved. Your organization helped tham get that approval, and without that approval we wouldn't be facing the significant censorship threats that we are now facing.

As far as comparing this to applying for funding... come on Joan, that's not a very effective way to explain this. There were strings attached to this funding, and to accept the money you had to support something that can significantly harm the industry. Will the funding be worth it when some Senator tries to make dot XXX mandatory? Will the funding be worth it when Visa decides only people on .XXX sites will be processed? I thought the adult industry was doing a fantastic job supporting ASACP. In Sacramento, I can't think of how many times I plugged ASACP to one of the senators or councilmen I spoke to on behalf of the industry. So many companies have stepped up with donations. Weren't we as an industry doing a good enough job supporting ASACP? Why did your organization have to accept funding from ICM when you KNEW that doing so could result in all kinds of problems for the adult industry as a whole?

Frankly Joan I don't think you're in a defensible position. All this may be old news to you, but it's not to a lot of the industry. And I think it's only going to get worse when the first congressman announces his plan to make dot XXX mandatory and the industry is facing YET ANOTHER big legal fight, this one brought about by small groups of people INSIDE the industry. And if private industries start using dot XXX against us... oh man!

I spoke with you about this several months ago and pointed out some of my concerns. I asked you to consider revoking your support of dot XXX, but didn't hear back from you. I didn't know at that time that ASACP was getting funding for their support. I know that funding is important for any organization, but there HAS to be a point where the damage caused by accepting the funds isn't worth it.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I agree. I assume it would be the FSC that would be the main opposition to this. I found this quote here, which I find kind of worrysome:

"Tom Hymes, AVN Online

?There is also a strong case for having a content-specific gTLD (and corresponding SLDs under ccTLDs) such as .xxx or .sex. Sexually explicit services could then be legally required to operate with domain names in this gTLD (or SLD under a ccTLD) that would make it much simpler and easier to control access to such sites to protect children from the whitehouse.com problem, for example. This would not be to impose censorship or restrict free speech, but would restore an effective means for consumer choice which sites like whitehouse.com subvert by exploiting that present ?inherent propensity to confuse?). Similarly, non-commercial sites, including sites for abuse or complaint might usefully be allocated a specific SLD for that purpose.? [9]"

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/it...tml#P161_39485

Originally Posted by kBizzle

It's not ISPS and processors- It's Mastercard and Visa that you have to worry about

They are the next ones that will be punishing us because now it will be easier to find all of us..

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Is that a quote from AVN? I thought they just said they didn't take a position on .xxx?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I agree. I assume it would be the FSC that would be the main opposition to this. I found this quote here, which I find kind of worrysome:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Originally Posted by kBizzle

Originally Posted by Connor

Clever. Then sue for "trademark infringement" when someone else gets pussy.xxx, and yank the domain name from them. This is going to be one giant mess.

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Is that a quote from AVN? I thought they just said they didn't take a position on .xxx?