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fireorange 06-02-2005 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax
well said :)

if the asacp approved that shit they can suck my dick
that easy

Fuck ASACP wannabe internet police suck my dick too worthless cumstains.

Damian_Maxcash 06-02-2005 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

Regardless of what the post above says, their support for the .xxx extension was part of what allowed it to be approved.

Will they do the right thing and try to reverse the damage that has been done by taking a position against a mandatory .xxx if that is proposed?

IF that is true will the people most affected by .xxx withdraw support for ASACP?

tony286 06-02-2005 02:27 PM

ICM

* To: stld-rfp-xxx@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: ICM
* From: Joanasacp@xxxxxxx
* Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:52:05 -0400

ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry
make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes
sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major
deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to
eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a
self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that
promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional
business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising
awareness about this subject.

ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography
laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has
received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of
which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to
the F.B.I and NCMEC.

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible
business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and
support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the
adult industry and the global community.


Sincerely,


Joan Irvine
Executive Director
ASACP


We had no view thats funny how stupid do you think we are. Remember this when you pass their booth at the shows.

TheSwed 06-02-2005 02:28 PM

:pimp ..

orign8or 06-02-2005 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan
I was surprised about the current postings on GFY on .xxx and ASACP. All this information has been available to the public since 5/17/04.

I would like to make a few statements.

1. The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography and protect children on the internet. It does this by providing a CP reporting hotline. It also provides an Approved Member program which offers the benefit to its members of monitoring their sites which provides proof to government agencies that these adult sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well.

2. ASACP was approached for support. We decided that it was not in our mission to ?approve? or ?disapprove? such things. If the registry went through and they wanted to give ASACP money, it would be accepted, but we were not willing to take an official position for or against the registry, as that is not what ASACP does. ASACP reports CP to government agencies."

3. Alec Helmy of XBiz was the person who founded and funded ASACP from 1996 to 2002. However, ASACP is now a nonprofit association and completely separate from Alec's entities. Alec has always been diligent in his efforts to maintain this separation and in no way benefits financially from ASACP.

4. Recently, ASACP changed its name to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection to more effectively represent its members and nonprofit status, and work in harmony with government agencies and mainstream associations. The organization`s prior name and site no longer reflected the depth of its expanded mission. (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html).

5. ASACP has provided a child pornography reporting hotline since 1996 and sends over 3000 validated reports to the FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and other relevant international hotlines annually. Last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html).

The P2P PATROL initiative, which represents a voluntary collaboration of technology and related service companies along with government agencies and trade groups, offers programs focusing on education, deterrence, and enforcement for combating online child pornography, and operates the P2Ppatrol.com website.

CPHotline.org is a valuable tool complimenting P2P PATROL in helping consumers who inadvertently encounter CP to recognize, remove, and report it.

6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method.

7. As indicated by their work with the P2P Patrol, ASACP is pleased to help other groups be more effective in their efforts. On May 17, 2004, ASACP wrote a letter to IFFOR supporting their efforts to protect children;

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).

I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community."

8. As stated in the letter of 5/17/05 9 http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...msg00061.html), "ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography", just as it was negotiation with P2P Patrol (refer to #4 above).

9. My understanding is the IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP. This is no different than ASACP applying for government and other grants which it is doing this year.



Awesome Spam :thumbsup

Trax 06-02-2005 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
Have you read this thread? ASACP is not in a position to 'approve' a registry.

I must have missed that part in the big promo msg
95% of their "official statement on .xxx" contains nothing but information that has NOTHING to do with that topic....

"6. ASACP`s next project is to work with the cell phone industry to develop a solution for its users to report child pornography as this is the newest distribution method."

Now that is clarifying information - not

Joan 06-02-2005 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=Mr.Fiction]Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx.

Furious_Male 06-02-2005 03:02 PM

Yes .xxx will protect the children :1orglaugh

This shit cracks me up.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan
ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx.

Joan, I'd like to believe you on that one... but we've seen your letter. It's public record. How can we believe that ASACP has no position after seeing your letter and knowing that you are getting funding from ICM for every domain name sold?

JPeterman 06-02-2005 03:04 PM

If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already).

She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?

woj 06-02-2005 03:04 PM

50........ :)

pornguy 06-02-2005 03:08 PM

Thanks for putting that Joan.

The really sad thing that I see, is the the government, in all the efforts to stop child pornography, is doing thier best to get rid of the watch dogs that do help them, and that is us.

I have no problem having the 2257 in order, but the government is trying to make 2257 into something that it should not be. And that is a tool to get rid of legal porn.

Joan 06-02-2005 03:09 PM

[QUOTE=JPeterman]who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

Joan 06-02-2005 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor
Jknowing that you are getting funding from ICM for every domain name sold?

IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP.

tony286 06-02-2005 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=Joan]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction
Will ASACP take a stand against a mandatory move to the .xxx domain?

ASACP does not ?approve? or ?disapprove? .xxx. Democrat Joe Lieberman had already proposed .xxx legislation. ASACP does not lobby, that?s what FSC does. But personally I would not support mandatory .xxx.

How can you say that when you wrote yourself :

ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online
Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing
reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary
monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.

I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers (ICANN).


Now Im not the smartest guy in the world but I applaud sounds like support. lol

Connor 06-02-2005 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman
If you don't approve of ASACP, then stop giving them your money and support. Joan will wither away (even more than she has already).

She has proved to me and many others that she does NOT have this industries best interests at heart. Watch out for any self-appointed "industry watchdogs" -- remember that NO ONE VOTED or HAD ANY SAY AT ALL into who serves on the ASACP committe. Who is watching the watchers?

I'm not against everything ASACP has done... the premise is solid. Fighting child porn is a solid goal. Many people in this industry want a mechanism for helping in that fight. When it sticks to fignting child porn and to an honest approach, ASACP can accomplish some good things.

But in this case all good sense was stragely set aside. In this case of .XXX it doesn't matter who's on the Advisory Council because it seems they weren't the ones who made the decision on Dot XXX, and Joan hasn't said otherwise. If that's not right and the Council voted then PLEASE tell us! So who made the decision? Why wasn't the Advistory Council asked to vote before that letter was sent to ICANN and funding was accepted?

Now we're going to see attempts to make this mandatory... apparently Senator Lieberman has already lined up to make the push, if Joan is right. The fact that making it mandatory would only HELP increase what ASACP gets in funds (since the Xbiz stoy says they cut a cut of every domain name) raises a serious "conflict of interest" concern.

JPeterman 06-02-2005 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=Joan]
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman
who serves on the ASACP committe.

This information is on the ASACP site - http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php


Hey, way to take a piece of a sentence out of context and answer a question that was never asked.

Let me ask another. Does ASACP still take XXL-Cash's sponsor money, even after XXL-Cash's processing was terminated by CCbill for direct links to child porn? The ASACP banner flying on the XXL-Cash site is proof of your ineffectiveness and incompetence. And how does getting sloppy drunk at tradeshows fit into ASACP's mission statement? We've all seen you!

Kimmykim 06-02-2005 03:24 PM

Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

rankscom 06-02-2005 03:26 PM

Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold?

If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc)

Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography"...

It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered.

It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one.

p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan
IFFOR will contribute to various child protection associations, not just ASACP.

ASACP was started by and funded by the ADULT industry. And as such, it was in a position to act as a representative of the ADULT industry during the comment period. Other "various child protection associations" were NOT in that position... ASACP is unique in that regard. So I really don't see how it matters if other child protection groups are getting money. Had ASACP not offered that letter of support and ICM just offered some money because they liked ASACP that would be one thing. But that letter of support is there, on the record.

abyss_al 06-02-2005 03:26 PM

good stuff joan :thumbsup

tony286 06-02-2005 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim
Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

I agree with most of what you said but to just let off the people that helped this process go forward and endorse it for money. This will ruin careers of hard working good people who make a ok living in adult is not acceptable. This also effects consultants as website owners as well.

Mr.Fiction 06-02-2005 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman
Who is watching the watchers?

That's a good question to ask in most situations. Especially one like this where a lot of money is involved. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../xyxthumbs.gif

tony286 06-02-2005 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom
Is it true that ASACP benefits with funding (percent or per domain) in direct proportion to the number of .xxx domains that will be sold?

If ASACP is benefitting from .xxx directly or indirectly, is the funding used for any other purpose other than to fight child porn? (misc business expenses, salaries, etc)

Although I highly respect Connor, I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

"I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography"...

It's almost like Joan is looking to exploit any opportunity to fight child pornography, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. She doesn't seem to be looking to take a bias either way, she's just saying hey thanks for considering ASACP. That's how I read it at least. My honest take so far, but I reserve my final judgement until more questions are answered.

It's hard to go against ASACP since they've done a lot of good for this industry. If any type of organization should be given the benefit of the doubt, it seems this would be one.

p.s. I'm strongly against the .xxx domain extension.

How can you not see that as a endorsement are you kidding me, its a positive letter about the icm written by the head of a child protection org. If they truly had no postion they would said nothing.

Choker 06-02-2005 03:35 PM

The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks

Connor 06-02-2005 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom
I'm looking at Joan's statement and don't see it as an endorsement for .xxx:

Do you REALLY think that's how ICANN would view it? As a generic, general, neutral message that is neither for nor against dot xxx? Or do you think they'd check that one off as support? Put yourself in ICANN's position and read it again. Not the words "support" and "applaud" in there. I make a living with written words, and I don't view those words and neutral.

There are plenty of ways to fight child porn without the entire adult industry being put in this awful position. I've been in this industry for a long time now... when it was just forming AS an industry. I think this industry is unlike any other, and for the most part I love its culture. It disturbs me to see people from INSIDE the industry put it at this kind of risk voluntarily.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404
How can you not see that as a endorsement are you kidding me, its a positive letter about the icm written by the head of a child protection org. If they truly had no postion they would said nothing.

Bingo. Agreed.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choker
The only question I have is does asacp get a cut from every xxx name sold or not? Please answer yes or no Joan. thanks

From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

SteveLightspeed 06-02-2005 03:48 PM

I do not support Joan or the ASACP. That is well documented. But in this case my "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves" position seems to be holding true.

Back-peddle all you want Joan, you are only digging the hole deeper for yourself and ASACP.

Steve Lightspeed

rankscom 06-02-2005 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor
Do you REALLY think that's how ICANN would view it? As a generic, general, neutral message that is neither for nor against dot xxx? Or do you think they'd check that one off as support? Put yourself in ICANN's position and read it again. Not the words "support" and "applaud" in there. I make a living with written words, and I don't view those words and neutral.

There are plenty of ways to fight child porn without the entire adult industry being put in this awful position. I've been in this industry for a long time now... when it was just forming AS an industry. I think this industry is unlike any other, and for the most part I love its culture. It disturbs me to see people from INSIDE the industry put it at this kind of risk voluntarily.

Just my opinion. But you're right, the government may look at that as a form of endorsement, even though she isn't giving direct support to .xxx as an official ICANN domain. My only point is her "intentions" and that's what I'm trying to figure out here. It appears like she made very bad judgement, but everyone appears to be hanging her and ASACP on a tight noose for her death which might be a little pre-mature at this point. This is why I asked some other questions, it's important we know all the facts here. I don't think this letter alone proves enough evil intent on Joan's part.

Dirty Dane 06-02-2005 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPeterman
Let me ask another. Does ASACP still take XXL-Cash's sponsor money, even after XXL-Cash's processing was terminated by CCbill for direct links to child porn? The ASACP banner flying on the XXL-Cash site is proof of your ineffectiveness and incompetence.

You're kidding, right? :helpme

Mr.Fiction 06-02-2005 03:49 PM

In the future, ASACP may be the hammer that the government uses to beat the adult industry with.

Doesn't ASACP's letter of support of .XXX tell the government that the adult industry believes that .xxx is a valid way to fight child porn?

Imagine Lieberman talking about how even the adult industry anti-child porn group supports .xxx - only those who support child porn in the adult industry must be against .xxx!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images/icons/mad2.gif

rankscom 06-02-2005 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor
From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Yep, can't argue with this. ASACP will have a hard time backpeddling this.

Evidence is much more clear. Thanks Connor.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom
Just my opinion. But you're right, the government may look at that as a form of endorsement, even though she isn't giving direct support to .xxx as an official ICANN domain. My only point is her "intentions" and that's what I'm trying to figure out here. It appears like she made very bad judgement, but everyone appears to be hanging her and ASACP on a tight noose for her death which might be a little pre-mature at this point. This is why I asked some other questions, it's important we know all the facts here. I don't think this letter alone proves enough evil intent on Joan's part.

Evil intent is a different ballgame. Nobody at ASACP is evil. But that doesn't mean a decision wasn't made for the wrong reasons, and now the rest of the industry is paying for that decision. We have so many people from the OUTSIDE gunning for this industry that the last thing we needed right now was people from the INSIDE supporting something like dot XXX, something that will almost certainly be used against us.

Connor 06-02-2005 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankscom
Yep, can't argue with this. ASACP will have a hard time backpeddling this.

Evidence is much more clear. Thanks Connor.

No problem.

rankscom 06-02-2005 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor
Evil intent is a different ballgame. Nobody at ASACP is evil. But that doesn't mean a decision wasn't made for the wrong reasons, and now the rest of the industry is paying for that decision. We have so many people from the OUTSIDE gunning for this industry that the last thing we needed right now was people from the INSIDE supporting something like dot XXX, something that will almost certainly be used against us.

Agreed!! :thumbsup

Choker 06-02-2005 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor
From the XBiz article:

"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...archstring=xxx

Thanks that all I needed to read. Fuck ASACP. It's pretty obvious this thread is nothing more than damage control. ASACP sold us all out. PERIOD.

Jman 06-02-2005 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmykim
Damn, Joan, you must have said you don't like SUVs at some time, so the government raised the price of gas to try and get them off the road.

Personally I see the .xxx as someone's idea of a way to make money. From that standpoint, I'm sorry I didn't think of the idea myself and figure out how to get a cut off every one of the registrations. When .xxx becomes a fact, what registrars will handle it? The same ones that handle .com, .net, .biz, etc? If so, I guess quite a few people stand to make some money on it.

To the industry, it's a fucking joke. Child pornographers don't care about .xxx, they don't care about .com, they don't care about anything. The vast majority of them aren't in the US would be my guess.

The government is going to do everything it can in the next few years to cripple this industry. I think that so many people's time could be so much better spent figuring out how to keep their legs under them than bickering with every other segment of this industry.

I'd use my herding cats statement but that one's been appropriated over the years by so many other people I don't like the taste of it in my mouth any more.

:thumbsup

Some peeps who are in this industry and that we look upon are going to make a few bucks out of it.

This deal as been well thaught off and planned.

It's how we will as an industry, Roll with the Punches that will make a difference.

In many threads regarding this issue many of you have placed great comments and although I truly beleive that ASCAP is there for a good cause and working for one of the big problems in the industry. But I have to agree with Connor, although they say they are biase and do not agree or disagree, they have made it clear in a letter they think it's a great idea and with that statement and makign a cut out of the $10 for each domain sold, well, shows at some point they are keen on the Idea...

(Hope y'all can read JManese :1orglaugh )

xXxtreme2005 06-02-2005 04:26 PM

interesting stuff never the less

juve20 06-02-2005 04:36 PM

thanks for keeping us updated.

tony


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