Right, and if you are an amateur girl, you probably keep your records at home, sweetie.

How am i a pot ?

If you mess up on simple book keeping sorting than you are a fucking retard, Seriously They arent asking for much, Sorted by Model name, Date of Production, Movie, Real Name, SS..

A simple database can sort any tables of data anyway you want it, Newbreeds software is a good example, You input the data and it can be sorted any fucking way you want it, Hell its not like they want the cock size of the guy or the gap of the vagina or how loose it was, etc..

I'm not getting your point.

Are you talking about girls who are in content theirselves and promote themselves on their own websites?

I think you are grossly misunderstanding most amateur girls...I am not talking about girls like Vanilla and Allie, that are successful enough to do that...I'm talking small time girls who just make enough to be able to stay home with their kids.

Yes, I'm talking about amateur girls who run a small site on the side or whatever. i know this because I've been there. I'm in a niche, so my appeal isn't broad enough to sustain the kind of success that girl like Sunny, Vanilla, Allie, Ellie, and so on can reach.

I understand what you mean jesus, Thats one thing i do see thats a problem but not that big of a deal in my opinion, Thats what we have local law enforcement for, I mean hell girls work in strip clubs every night and leave alone? Whats the fucking difference? Not much really.. Same risks.

Right, because its not like thats personal information or anything.

Besides, these regulations permit a simple clerical error to send someone to jail. That is not right. Jail is for criminals, not people who may have a few errors among thousands of entries.

Even without 2257 all the surfer has to do is check the whois and usually the address is listed.

But true that is one HUGE downside. The only issue i see so far that puts a small percentage of models at some risk.

If the regs were stated that was the rule from the effective date forward, I would agree...but going back over the last ten years of work is a daunting task.

I call B.S

If you have one clerical error they arent sending your ass to jail. THey will allow you to correct it. THey dont haul people to jail.

Whois can be santized for free, or $8 (private reg.) if you don't want to break the registration agreement.

2257 is unavoidable, and will put models at risk.

But how would you prove wheater you put up a page before or after to the DOJ?

Do you not do taxes? One fuck up on taxes can land you in a world of shit, NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

I don't know about that, I don't have my address in my whois info just for that reason. I would hope that most girls are net savvy enough to recognize that danger when they buy a domain to run their site on, but I am sure there are some who aren't.

Not all models. Only those that are webmasters too and keep the 2257 at thier house.

But yes, this is a large downside. But then again, you wouldnt care about model's safety. Most of the people bitching about 2257 are worried about themselves.

Everything on digital media is time stamped, Isnt to hard to prove.

Very good, PBS, Media all fear spreading bullshit.

Shit, i know. I see your point, and i cant think of anything to say but you are on your own which sucks. ANd i do care for models/webmasters because there are sick people out there.

ALright, but look.

If you are going to have to start collecting data to prove when you created this content, and have to deal with explaining to the DOJ, you might as well become compliant.

I honestly dont care if there is sick people out there or not, It is really no different than working at a late night strip club, A creep can follow you home just as easy as he can get your info from some stupid 2257..

surfers are nortoriously retarded. I bet 99.9% don't know what a whois is.

News organizations profit on conspiracy and secret government agendas.

Sorry but i dont believe that this is all part of a plan to end porn.

I'm not sure I follow you...so let me restate my piece so I know at least one of us is up to speed here, lol....

If all I had to do as a webmaster was obtain the documents and keep the required records for the sites/galleries I put up from the 23rd on, it wouldn't be THAt bad. But having to go back over all the sites and galleries I have listed in the past decade, track down docs or pull the sites/galleries, and get the required documents in order...well, to put it simply, what a fucking pain in the ass!

Are you saying that there is no way for the DOJ to tell what the date was and that's why they go back ten years? If so, then, the same is true for a decade ago, right?

Not sure what you mean, But i seriously doubt alot of people have any porn still on the web from 10 years ago, Thats a long fucking time and a long fucking jump in technology advances and harddrives etc..

Yes, I do do taxes.

However, to stay legal with your taxes is much simpler, and precedent has shown that people who make honest errors will end up losing deductions, or paying fines/penalties. One of the big problems with 2257 is that we haven't seen how they plan to enforce it, and if they'll seek jail time.


If you think its no big deal, go ahead, be noncompliant after the 23rd and make yourself a target.

:1orglaugh

I know. But tell me how many people will click on a 2257 link at the bottom of the page, or know what to do with it? Or actually visit the location?

Yea i totally fucked up my wording on that.

I mean how would you prove you put the gallery online before or after June 23.

it turns to he-said she-said again.

Why would i go non compliant? I aint a fucking retard that cant keep book keeping in a professional manner.

Also watch this part about 2 minutes in.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...view/5_hi.html

You and i know that there is a difference between being non-compliant and being compliant with a clerical error that can be fixed.

Well, I'm not a stripper...I'm just a mom who runs a small site so I can be the one raising my kids, instead of some day care worker.

I chose not to put myself in that situation, (not that any clubs take chubby girls, lol, but whatever), and when I began doing this, I could cloak my identity better. Suddenly that safety net has been ripped away.

Yes, I agree, if someone was very determined, they could have found me before. But now it's so much easier that it will take a less insane person to accomplish it.

I value my privacy and do not want stalkers having a much easier time finding my driver's license number, phone number, or home address. The 2257 rules is one of the reasons why I won't shoot for anyone else. :2 cents:

Very True, All i can say is use your Second Admendment right to the fullest :)

That is the only downside to 2257 that has been shown me.

I guess what i can say is try getting in contact with a lawyer, and see if you can find away of keeping records at a thrid party. I know its agaisnt regs, but then again a lawyer would know more.

The law makes no distinction between the two.


Its amazing how you're welcoming something that will mean more paperwork and headaches for you, while not keeping children any safer, as it was supposedly designed to do.

Models will have to become more business savvy, The bigger ones like yourself, Have contracts that say the company thats shooting you can not releasing your info unless under certain stuff is laid out first, Such as a screening process any normal real world job would do.

haha, more paper work? Being in this business before the new 2257 you barely had to keep any fucking paper work or any at all, Boo hoo we will have to become professional *cry* *cry*

Who said anything about me welcoming it? I am not.

That wasnt why i started this thread. I'm merely poiting out that if the laws are going to be passed, that there is a positive side.

Absolutely not true. I've had a few stalkers whom I've filed police reports against. None of them were able to find my address from following me home. If a stripper is cautious, she can always avoid being followed. That goes for anyone. It's very easy to check your rearview mirror and take alternate routes. With 2257, all a stalker has to do is post up here asking how to buy content of a specific model and he can get her personal info once the transaction completes. MUCH DIFFERENT!