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kernelpanic 06-11-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by riddler
haha, more paper work? Being in this business before the new 2257 you barely had to keep any fucking paper work or any at all, Boo hoo we will have to become professional *cry* *cry*

Oh yay, I can't wait to do more work that brings in 0 new profit. Hooray! :upsidedow


But lets remember, its all about protecting the children.

Alex 06-11-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby
This should win post of the month here on GFY. Luckily there is no post of the month award because then all these people would get a clue.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

Alex 06-11-2005 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Oh yay, I can't wait to do more work that brings in 0 new profit. Hooray! :upsidedow


But lets remember, its all about protecting the children.

Fuck yea, lets stop doing our taxes as well.

I mean it is more paperwork and it brings no profit at all.

Stop making yourself look stupid.

riddler 06-11-2005 01:35 PM

I see it this way,

We are going to have people bitch and cry about the 2257 no matter what good light it shines on anything, This is one of the business before the 2257 that you barely had to keep much paper work unless you was a affiliate and then usally that was accountant stuff that you hired a accountant to keep on..

That is why mainstream business is harder to take off the ground, Because it has more to deal with paper work, Laws and regulations etc..

Everybody says working in porn is such a hard job working 12 hours a day.

Its bullshit, We are going to have to become more professional which is great, I hope to see the day when adult market is accepted on the stock market and porn companies start doing IPO's and so forth.

Alex 06-11-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by riddler
I see it this way,

We are going to have people bitch and cry about the 2257 no matter what good light it shines on anything, This is one of the business before the 2257 that you barely had to keep much paper work unless you was a affiliate and then usally that was accountant stuff that you hired a accountant to keep on..

That is why mainstream business is harder to take off the ground, Because it has more to deal with paper work, Laws and regulations etc..

Everybody says working in porn is such a hard job working 12 hours a day.

Its bullshit, We are going to have to become more professional which is great, I hope to see the day when adult market is accepted on the stock market and porn companies start doing IPO's and so forth.

They are moving to that point, and with 2257 in place people wont fear the big bad Adult Entertainment biz. Because it will be more professional

riddler 06-11-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Oh yay, I can't wait to do more work that brings in 0 new profit. Hooray! :upsidedow


But lets remember, its all about protecting the children.

Seriously, Porn industry has got used to making money from basicly doing jack shit but peddling smut which will always sell because we are humans, When the porn boom started it was easy to become rich from the shit, Now its harder because people learned that there is no regulations basicly to the whole operation, You sit at a pc all day and dont really deal with much and you make money..

Giorgio_Xo 06-11-2005 01:37 PM

There is no positive side of the 2257. It is a bureaucratic impediment to legal free speech. The burden of proof is always on the government. A clerical error should not result in jail time.

BSleazy 06-11-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax
thats bullshit
they know that 99% of the content distributed on the net is compliant
that's not what they want to know

they want to fuck with us... they want us to make is little record keeping errors that will get you to jail

such a law does NOT have a possitive side

I don't really think anyone is going to jail over some little record keeping error. It is a definate possibility though if you have young looking girls like little april and can't come up with any id or proof of age in court.

riddler 06-11-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex
They are moving to that point, and with 2257 in place people wont fear the big bad Adult Entertainment biz. Because it will be more professional

Yeah, The more professional the adult industry gets, The image will get better, Sure you will still have religions not accepting us, But hell Playboy and other media companies went through this years ago being accepted in society, Playboy was a big deal for years after it was published and now adays its basicly nothing to anyone anymore unless they are some hardcore bible thumper.

Alex 06-11-2005 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BCyber
I don't really think anyone is going to jail over some little record keeping error. It is a definate possibility though if you have young looking girls like little april and can't come up with any id or proof of age in court.

Which is why most people bitch. WHen it comes down to it, they cant prove that they are doing things leagally, or breaking the law with CP>

kernelpanic 06-11-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex
Fuck yea, lets stop doing our taxes as well.

I mean it is more paperwork and it brings no profit at all.

Stop making yourself look stupid.

Good job extending the argument where it doesn't apply. I take it you won't be posting a week before Apr. 15, since you'll be so fucking ecstatic that you get the privledge of doing your taxes, that you'll just do them over and over again. Am I right, am I right?

Even as convoluted as the American tax code is, it still serves more purpose than this change in 2257. Since you're obviously not dumb, just say it - you welcome this change, because the time you lose to 2257 will be more than made up for by sales you pick up from people who have been forced out of the business. Your business model must be more 2257-proof than average, and you look to decreased competition as a source of increased profits.

Its 2257 today, xxx segregation tomorrow, and then what? Are they going to start licensing adult websites like they license adult bookstores and liquor stores? And will you welcome all that red tape too because of the "professionalism"

2257 is having the side effect of exporting tons of profit from the US and you know it.

kernelpanic 06-11-2005 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex
Which is why most people bitch. WHen it comes down to it, they cant prove that they are doing things leagally, or breaking the law with CP>

Hey, did your host give you the receipts for the servers you're operating from? I mean, they could be stolen, and you want to be doing things on legal ground.

riddler 06-11-2005 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Hey, did your host give you the receipts for the servers you're operating from? I mean, they could be stolen, and you want to be doing things on legal ground.

I have every invoice for servers ive purchased and your point being?

Alex 06-11-2005 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Good job extending the argument where it doesn't apply. I take it you won't be posting a week before Apr. 15, since you'll be so fucking ecstatic that you get the privledge of doing your taxes, that you'll just do them over and over again. Am I right, am I right?

Even as convoluted as the American tax code is, it still serves more purpose than this change in 2257. Since you're obviously not dumb, just say it - you welcome this change, because the time you lose to 2257 will be more than made up for by sales you pick up from people who have been forced out of the business. Your business model must be more 2257-proof than average, and you look to decreased competition as a source of increased profits.

Its 2257 today, xxx segregation tomorrow, and then what? Are they going to start licensing adult websites like they license adult bookstores and liquor stores? And will you welcome all that red tape too because of the "professionalism"

2257 is having the side effect of exporting tons of profit from the US and you know it.


I do not welcome this change, and if i had the choice i wouldnt do my taxes.

Cant you even consider any opinion other then yours?

Taxes and being 2257-compliant are a most. Sure i would protest agaisnt it but the fact is that we are going to have be 2257 compliant anyways. So why not see the positive side to it.

wjxxx 06-11-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by taibo
sig spot

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Alex 06-11-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Hey, did your host give you the receipts for the servers you're operating from? I mean, they could be stolen, and you want to be doing things on legal ground.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Okay i see where you are getting at, but if the servers i host on ARE stolen. I wont see any jail time for it, my hosting company will.

But if a sponsor gives me undearge content and i publish it on my site to promote them, i will see jail time.

kernelpanic 06-11-2005 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex
I do not welcome this change, and if i had the choice i wouldnt do my taxes.

Cant you even consider any opinion other then yours?

Taxes and being 2257-compliant are a most. Sure i would protest agaisnt it but the fact is that we are going to have be 2257 compliant anyways. So why not see the positive side to it.

I see exactly where you're coming from, and yes, there are some positive aspects to it. Adult operations can claim strict regulation when defending their legitimacy against further attacks, and this does further remove the legitimate operations from the association with CP that the media loves to use as a scare tactic.

Overall, though, its having a net negative effect on US webmasters.

I dunno, maybe I'm the only one seeing this as the beginning of the end for everyone but the major players.

PMdave 06-11-2005 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by riddler
Yeah, The more professional the adult industry gets, The image will get better, Sure you will still have religions not accepting us, But hell Playboy and other media companies went through this years ago being accepted in society, Playboy was a big deal for years after it was published and now adays its basicly nothing to anyone anymore unless they are some hardcore bible thumper.

Don't you think Playboy is only "temp. accepted" for the moment there are other things to focus on. If hardcore porn gets banned today playboy would be the target for tomorrow. Has nothing to do with proffesionalism but with 'the lesser evil".


That video thats posted above made me kinda spill my coffee. Flint saying "if you have an undefendible video, to try and take a hardline position for yourself, you're not going to do anything but harm yourself and harm the industry". This comming from the men that made his name, fame and fortune by pushing the limits.... kinda made me laugh


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