WOJ Bot broken?



I spend alot of time piecing shit together.

This is wide open with alot of blanks its gonna be like a brick hitting this industry in the head.

There should be no shame in taking the money and building armor for us all since we ALL will be using it one way or another.

The Free Speech Coaliton.

ASACP does not exist to protect the adult industry against censorship. The FSC does.

BINGO! :thumbsup

The FSC turned the offer away.

Gary Kremen whined the whole fucking time about how he will benefit and who will get rich.
I brought up the point that the money could be used to defend us then and I was told to STFU.

i'll take my risk :1orglaugh

Aly - The AsACP are the only ones to acknowledgly admit they will take any money offered.

Thus if thats the case the responsibility should shift or could shift to yes protect us from Predators that purvey illegal content within our industry, primarily CP.

.XXX will be an umbrella whether we like it or not.
Embrace the shit and we have a chance to effectively defend ourselves.

You know what's your problem AlienQ? In order to disagree with someone from the beginning you are ready to make the most stupid posts. After that none intelligent poster can save your ass; no matter how much he likes you or feels sorry about you.

And you do what???

For the moment I'll wait for you to pathetically justify your comment that soon I won't have any other choice but to register .xxx domains.

Read the thread Soul Rebel educate yourself.

I did not know that ASACP was supposed to do anything for the adult industry, except maybe make it look a little better in some people's eyes.

That being said . . . . hmmm, maybe I should start a new thread as Alien has alienated too many people (pardon the pun), and it won't get enough views.

since you asked several honest questions, i'll give you some honest answers.

I will first preface the following, .XXX is a bad idea on every level and i clearly do not support it, being one of the few people who posted their comments to iCANN during the open comment period.


secondly, my company is on contract with ASACP for all the technology and infrastructure in the fight against cp.

1) as far as i know, ASACP is not receiving $10 from each sale. i believe 10% ( or some percentage_ of each .xxx domain is given to IFFOR by ICM registry to fund that non-profit. portions of the money received by IFFOR are allocated to various child protection type companies.. mainstream and adult.

even if it were receiving $10/domain, that doesn't change anything.

since ASACP has cphotline.org and the various technologies integrated, ASACP would contract with IFFOR for the use of cphotline.org to be the official place to report CP.

my contract with ASACP is a fixed-based one, and would not benefit from the .XXX money.


2) monies received will go to furthering ASACP's objectives, which could include lobbying of congress, providing more staff , etc.


3) DCIA, a P2P trade association for which Kazaa is a founding member, is using cphotline.org as a hotline for people to report CP on P2P. if you are against P2P software, then any issues about taking money from .XXX to support their anti-CP stance, should also stand consistent with taking money from P2P companies.

----

If you want to know who is really benefiting from .XXX ask around. while ASACP has visible connections to receiving monies, there are others in the shadows.



Fight the Lurkers!

Go ahead.

Take my idea and run with it.

The idea is over 2 years old when this started.
The concept should at least permeate thick skulls everywhere.

I suck at getting messages and points out.

Your honorable work has nothing to do with them wanting to separate from adult and putting a nail in the online coffin by writing icann supporting icm. Which sponsor wanted the name changed? I dont believe them .Sponsors didnt like that name that says the adult industry wants to fight against cp bullshit. Adult sites against child pornography showed the Adult industry not the whole internet ,was against cp and wanted to fight against cp. Its money came from the adult industry , all of the sponsors on their site are in adult or support adult. I think the letter to Icann showed the start of biting the hand that feeds them. Mark my words I bet by this time next year they have nothing to do with adult. There is lot more money in going against us then being with us. Also nonprofit doesnt mean a org cant be money hungry , people get paid salaries more money higher salaries.

6 bucks per registration to IFFOR.

Thats not bad.

when you purchase .com domains from registrars like GoDaddy and network Solutons, do you have a right to know where the money goes? no.

a better question is who in the industry is benefitting behind the scenes from .XXX, when it has been made clear that ASACP is in the open about its planned financial benefits from .XXX



Fight the Follow the Money!

also the name says child protection . Child protection is a whole other subject than cp . Every right wing christian group says the gov has to get rid of porn to protect the children . Will the asacp be involved in that now????

wrong example they got .xxx based on is nonprofit they created and the money will be giving to groups. Also godaddy doesnt charge $60 for a .com. You know I respect you a great its hard to take you seriously about asacp when you get paid by them.

Fight the longterm blindness lol

the FBI and NCMEC will never officially recognize the solid CP leads that ASACP provides. NCMEC is the national center for missing and exploited children, who receives a large chunk of funding (over $20M) from the government to operate their entity.


people can report suspected CP leads to missingkids.com

asacp.org receives 100-120 cp leads A DAY, from concerned web surfers, which 5-10 A DAY, turn out to be actual CP sites.

these confirmed leads are sent to NCMEC, which ASACP has to be the largest provider of leads, and will never get any recognition for its efforts, because there is a big stigma tied to ASACp about being "adut", even with the name change that was designed to allow for more mainstream acceptance.

if you read the daily busts that occur on CP websites, you can be sure that ASACP's researched leads played a role.



Fight the bad Guys!

Can you clarify this?

1) as far as i know, ASACP is not receiving $10 from each sale. i believe 10% ( or some percentage_ of each .xxx domain is given to IFFOR by ICM registry to fund that non-profit. portions of the money received by IFFOR are allocated to various child protection type companies.. mainstream and adult.

Particularly:
this part:
i believe 10% ( or some percentage_ of each .xxx domain is given to IFFOR by ICM registry to fund that non-profit.

Which non Profit is being referred to?

ASACP or IFFOR?

I am with the "Shadow Men" in this, I am wondering why the light of opportunity was not siezed in the 2 years that lead to the present.

We got some entrepenuer from England as a front man but thats really all I got so far.

I am also wondering why .xxx will not be used to give us some protections with lobbying power or a defense from a government that wants us put out.

I saw that AsaCP gets a piece a small piece but its somthing that can be used.

should be the opposite in taking me more seriously in the answers i have provided and my involvement... i get "paid" by the current members and great sponsors of ASACP.

http://www.asacp.org/members.php

these companies all acknowledge the time and effort i put in, well beyond what i am "paid" to do. if you were a contributing member to ASACP, you would understand, but since you are not, you really don't have much say as to where and how the money is spent then....

Should ASACP receive funding from .XXX, it will go to other resources. So if ASACP hires a new assistant, you going to shame that person because their salary was paid in part by .XXX money?

As i already stated, my "funding" comes from existing member/sponsor $$$, and EVEN IF, .XXX money was used to subsidize the effort, you expect me to stop my contract because you feel the money is "dirty"??

Shall i point out the hypocrasy in accepting affiliate commissions from sponsors that shave?

You and i agree on many big important issues (like 99%)... on this one, you have it wrong, but history will decide that.. for now, i do the good work that i do for the mission of ASACP.... and i oppose .XXX




Fight the 1%

.xxx is not blood money unless its resources are purely squandered to line pockets.

Organisations that are supposed to help this industry just stepped away more or less.

Except AsACP.
Which I guess there positions has been clarified.

NO DEFENSE LOBBY or Warchest.

1) IFFOR is a non profit created to essentially rule over all the .XXX owners. ICM is a for-profit organization that handles the technical part of adminstering domains. Both companies are linked together intricately.

2) because those industry players that gave their support 2-4 years ago, probably never really thought this would ever happen, and more importantly.. with 2257 now a realization, and people can now see how 2257 can be used to regulate/shutdown the industry, its not so far stretch to see how .XXX can do the same, should 2257 have its legs knocked out like COPA.

It's a different time now with 2257 being real, and some of those that gave their support, are probably thinking they made a mistake.

You do know some of the "shadow men", you just don't realize it i guess.

During the comment period a year ago, i posted many .XXX threads on GFY, especially for people to make their comments. Posters like VirtuMike and I made our public stand against .XXX.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf...ads.html#00053

(mine has subject line of .XXX exposed)



Fight the Darkness!

Well what do you think FTP?

What do you think about .xxx funding a warchest.

Don't you see the beauty in that?
I do.

Now I wonder why it was refused.
For 2 years now I have wondered why the concept was not taken seriously.

You missed the part where ICM Registry has created a fund of $250K to be used in the fight against any congressional law to make .xxx mandatory.

they have a hot-shot 1st amendment attorney in DC that doesn't think .XXX could ever be made into law....

and i believe that to be true... who needs congress... when you can get VISA to force you to use .XXX

directory lists like yahoo or google could REQUIRE that adult content be only on .XXX and use keyword filtering to remove .COM adult sites.


there are many private sector ways to force .XXX

and lastly, .XXX could have a requirement that forces you to give up use of .COM call it a conspiracy theory, but when it happens, you can thank Cleo, since she told me about it.

Fight the Psychic Friends!

if the ASACP is the largest single provider of CP leads to NCMEC that lead to arrests or the actual protection of children and they are not getting the credit they deserve because of the "stigma" Perhaps they need to evaluate the parties working there.

ASACP is either proud of their association and history with online adult or their not. It IS that simple. Perhaps quarterly press releases to everyone under the sun highlighting the amount of leads provided. Perhaps a more vocal presense in the media.

As of Late I get the impression that someone at ASACP feels like they are walking a fine line. YOUR NOT! you do what you do. It is that simple, and assuming the statements by FTP are true your track record of leads to NCMEC would indicate you MUST be taken seriously.

If you are doing the things you claim to be doing, then stop acting like the unorganized new kid who would rather blend in. Make a statement, stand up for your organization.


This NFP org has been in large part been funded by our industry. Funding has been provided because the people involved believe it is the right thing to do with no strings attached. However, one would hope that ASACP would remember and not be embarrassed by the very industry that has shown support for them.

STAND UP AND BE COUNTED ASACP

it is funding warchest... various organizations will be applying for grants. wiredsafety.org supports .XXX but their reason is really to contain the adult space and eventually have it squeezed out of existance.

there are several child protection groups that will be receiving funding from IFFOR, ASACP is just one of them.

But IFFOR is getting only a small percentage of the overall .XXX pie.

the shareholders and deals made with ICM by various industry people are the ones that will really be making the money.


Fight the things that make you go hmmmmmmm!

You know what Im talking about if you read all of my posts .They have done great work and it shows well for the adult industry when it was adult sites against cp . Can you see that? It showed that the industry in a positive light. It was the industry that funded them.Adult sites Also the change from cp to child protection those are two very different things.Can you see that? Every group that wants to get rid of porn uses protect the children as the reason . Will Asacp be part of that?

Fuck I think I am going to be sick...
I hope thats not all true.

10% to Iffor is big, it can still be used.

Tony I agree, ( see post above) you know where this is headed. Everyone knows where this is headed.

The sad fact of the matter is ASACP is a noble cause that is embarrassed by the very people who have supported and funded them.

This last point has been expressed by many others as well, both inside and outside.

As far as recognition goes.... the members and sponsors of ASACP are informed of the successes, much like the many press releases that have been sent out by Joan over the 2 years.

While public acknowledgement for ASACP's efforts are desired, the reality is that it doesn't happen. But privately, people at the Attorney General's office and FBI offices know what ASACP does.

The end result of all the financial support for ASACP and all the hours that Joan, Gracie, Tim, and myself contribute (which could be spent on more profitabe efforts if we were selflless) is to shut down CP.

Read the almost daily news stories about busts in CP. Results happen, they aren't just attributed to ASACP in print. If you felt that it didn't deserve your contributions, then you wouldn't be giving them money.

if you feel it is a worthwhile cause, then that;s why people support by being members and sponsors.

the dollar is the almighty vote in business, and ASACP has alot of votes in its favor to keep it going on its mission. There is alot of the industry that are not members.. so looking to receive money from mainstream is not a bad idea.



Fight the no respect!

"it is funding warchest... various organizations will be applying for grants. wiredsafety.org supports .XXX but their reason is really to contain the adult space and eventually have it squeezed out of existance."

Well we know that will never happen.
If the CHurches and catholics can't do it no one can.

Aly,

The original post to you was not saying "Shame on you for the good things ASACP has done." It said, "Shame on you for being involved in their current support for .xxx"

Your response indicated that you do not in fact support ASACP's current position on .xxx. If this is indeed true: Bravo!

You also indicated that you will attempt to influence the board (that you are, I believe, a member of) to write a letter of retraction to ICANN. If this is indeed true: Bravo! and Thank You!!!

ASACP does stand for and does accomplish good things. We are a sponsor of ASACP and will probably continue to be one. However, we feel the ASACP has made a mistake of extremely serious consequence in supporting the .xxx domain extension and are crossing our fingers and holding our breath in anticipation that the ASACP will also see their support as a mistake and will attempt to rectify that mistake (the first step of which would be a letter of retraction).

If there is anything more we can do besides cross fingers and hold breath - please let us know.

I do understand your point. "child protection" is a much broader scope than shutting down "child pornography". to me, the name change was a symmantic issue for mainstream acceptance.

the name change was needed to get the non-profit status approved and more acceptance by mainstream be trying to keep the acroymn of ASACP and removing the "adult", "child" and "pornography" words.

if you can think of better words to fill in for A.S.A.C.P. to keep the branding, but yet serve the objective of being more digestable to state of california and IRS, and mainstream, then the input would be interesting.

if your argument is that ASACP should have kept its name and only worried about getting funding from within the industry, then i do acknowledge your point.. but before this .XXX thing came up, have you ever been a member when it was Adult Sites Against Child Pornography?

Not putting you on the spot, SO MANY webmasters are not members, you can see the membership list online.... where are those "Adult Sites" who are "Against" the "Child Pornography" website memberships applications in the 7 years the organization has been around?

If you were a previous member, and then decided to quit because of the name change and because of the .XXX issue, then your position would hold alot more credibility.

This is no different than FSC making the position that if you are not an FSC member, then you are not covered under the injunction they are receiving. Only stakeholders have the "right" to vote their thoughts, and that is done with $$$.

so for all those that are giving ASACP flak now, after 7 years of all the work they have done, and you have not been a member...... please use the can of hyprocrasy spray to remove the flatulence.



Fight the Farts!

Again, I respect the job that you folks do. But the simple fact is you have a panel and a membership made up of some of the best marketing people online and dare I say some of the most innovative people in business. The fact that ASACP is not acknowleged is as much of its own doing as it is those who attach a "stigma" to it.

As and example, I find it hard in an industry with people the likes of KB, ASACP can not get the ears of the media.

ASACP is not a booty call for the Attorney General's office and FBI or the NCMEC to take advantage of but forget about in the morning.

There are things that need to be done better, and you have a wide variety of people that could be approached for help.

The "stigma" will remain until youi wipe it away. Positive attention and acknowlegement will go a long way.




Fight the really bad tag lines :winkwink:

Well I am not trying to Give AsaCP guff, I am just trying to figure out where the money would go if they were "Technically" going to recieve monies from .xxx/IFFOR.

The answer has been given.
Stopping CP ONLY. Fine enough.
I aint happy with it but thats all there is to it.

Our industry needs a defense from Legislation and rogue Rightwing Law Makers.

So far it looks like no one wants to stop these Right Wing Law makers since doing so would be contrary to the bottom line $ to those involved in .xxx.

Fucken christ.

Absolutely! point well taken...

Fight the use of the patent-pending really bad tag lines process!

stay tuned :thumbsup



Fight the ... and now back to our regularly scheduled activism!

Activism=Good.

I think our industry has a shot to protect itself.
I am hoping it comes to that day.

.xxx is one of the windows we can take.

But its upto .xxx to figure out what to do with all the coin.

Fight the "Who holding all the cards"?

Or Make the call and see what can happen.

So far FSC and ASaCP are side stepping.
Thats not a good sign.

i disagree... .XXX should not have any coins.


Fight the short posts!

I know I am out of the loop these days, but I did just read the press release that Aly sent over. That is the first time I seen an official reference that ASACP was actually a non-profit. The company was originally setup by Alec Helmy, which I give him Kudos for, but it was not setup as a non-profit. I am assuming something has majorly changed, and they have re-incorportated and have official non-profit status with the government now. Has anyone actually verified this? Just curious. :)

But they do man...
Thats a fact.

see this press release on the announcement of the name change and non-proit status: http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html



Fight the who reads press releases?!

.XXX has no coins. they have not opened up shop yet and won't be operational for a few months.

the people who support .XXX have alot of coins.



Fight the shiny things!

I like shiney things.

Shiny things can create opportunities.

I said earlier I stand to make a few bucks off of .xxx since I am sure people will need design for them. Baring that I might need to be an authorised/cerified XXX designer?

Humm...
AsaCP Dues
FSC Dues...
Authorised XXX Designer...
Certified XXX Domain Buyer.

Fee's fee's charges...

How many more fee's can I expect down the road?
Awe fuck this...

I am going to go back into doing what I do.

Design.

the question is

who is to gain the most from .xxx?

Ahhh what a good question: that is my question also. But I for some reason already know the answer to this, I hope I am wrong.

When most on this board and in our community are sleeping or are to busy dealing or not dealing with the 2257 issues, this smelly .XXX is trying to get by.

I have many problems with this, as I have posted so many times, its just stinks for one, for another why sell something saying that it protects children when it clearly does not, or .com could do the very same thing. Also the players, ahh the players lurking in the background, come forward and tell us who you are, you say you represent the majority of us on the internet, come forward and let us know who you are, I for sure know who you are. Hey if its so fucking great ...raise your hand and take some credit.

Its all about many things, greed being one of them, its a bunch of guys who have been in this biz along time, who want to continue to somehow control out industry, but where there plan fails is putting us all in one area, and then it becoming controlled by many different parts of the world, credit card, states passing laws etc. Do they care, Fuck No....the leader of this group has never ever been in our business nor does he really give a flying fuck about us.

If this bullshit .XXX passes it will be OUR fault for not coming together and telling these people that what they are saying is false and it?s not what WE want. We are quick to go to shows have fun, but putting all our resources together as "1" they could not ever touch us....but do we do it NO.

I am telling you that this .XXX thing is a bunch of bullshit, and its on us to make sure this thing does not go thru....those who have there heads buried in the sand or think it will magically go away you need to get involved and keep a close eye on this....

This could be the "silver bullet that could kill or seriously control our industry, don?t say it couldn?t happen, cause that is exactly what will happen.

I was told one night that this thing was "to big" and these guys are "untouchable" and its "to late" or "I don?t sit at there table" or some horse shit like that, when I hung up the phone all I wanted to do was take a blow torch to the whole thing.

I say suck my dick .XXX............hope it burns in hell. :mad:

ahhh i feel much better now ...thank you!

I am building a site called fuckdotxxx.com Mike you want in on it ;-)

my sentiments exacly mike about it being the major players behind the scenes - but who are they and who is this guy thats the leader?

as for coming together, good idea but realistically i dont see it happening unless a concerted effort is taken by some bigger players that oppose .xxx to come together - it takes money to "represent" as they say.