Tony I agree, ( see post above) you know where this is headed. Everyone knows where this is headed.

The sad fact of the matter is ASACP is a noble cause that is embarrassed by the very people who have supported and funded them.

This last point has been expressed by many others as well, both inside and outside.

As far as recognition goes.... the members and sponsors of ASACP are informed of the successes, much like the many press releases that have been sent out by Joan over the 2 years.

While public acknowledgement for ASACP's efforts are desired, the reality is that it doesn't happen. But privately, people at the Attorney General's office and FBI offices know what ASACP does.

The end result of all the financial support for ASACP and all the hours that Joan, Gracie, Tim, and myself contribute (which could be spent on more profitabe efforts if we were selflless) is to shut down CP.

Read the almost daily news stories about busts in CP. Results happen, they aren't just attributed to ASACP in print. If you felt that it didn't deserve your contributions, then you wouldn't be giving them money.

if you feel it is a worthwhile cause, then that;s why people support by being members and sponsors.

the dollar is the almighty vote in business, and ASACP has alot of votes in its favor to keep it going on its mission. There is alot of the industry that are not members.. so looking to receive money from mainstream is not a bad idea.



Fight the no respect!

"it is funding warchest... various organizations will be applying for grants. wiredsafety.org supports .XXX but their reason is really to contain the adult space and eventually have it squeezed out of existance."

Well we know that will never happen.
If the CHurches and catholics can't do it no one can.

Aly,

The original post to you was not saying "Shame on you for the good things ASACP has done." It said, "Shame on you for being involved in their current support for .xxx"

Your response indicated that you do not in fact support ASACP's current position on .xxx. If this is indeed true: Bravo!

You also indicated that you will attempt to influence the board (that you are, I believe, a member of) to write a letter of retraction to ICANN. If this is indeed true: Bravo! and Thank You!!!

ASACP does stand for and does accomplish good things. We are a sponsor of ASACP and will probably continue to be one. However, we feel the ASACP has made a mistake of extremely serious consequence in supporting the .xxx domain extension and are crossing our fingers and holding our breath in anticipation that the ASACP will also see their support as a mistake and will attempt to rectify that mistake (the first step of which would be a letter of retraction).

If there is anything more we can do besides cross fingers and hold breath - please let us know.

I do understand your point. "child protection" is a much broader scope than shutting down "child pornography". to me, the name change was a symmantic issue for mainstream acceptance.

the name change was needed to get the non-profit status approved and more acceptance by mainstream be trying to keep the acroymn of ASACP and removing the "adult", "child" and "pornography" words.

if you can think of better words to fill in for A.S.A.C.P. to keep the branding, but yet serve the objective of being more digestable to state of california and IRS, and mainstream, then the input would be interesting.

if your argument is that ASACP should have kept its name and only worried about getting funding from within the industry, then i do acknowledge your point.. but before this .XXX thing came up, have you ever been a member when it was Adult Sites Against Child Pornography?

Not putting you on the spot, SO MANY webmasters are not members, you can see the membership list online.... where are those "Adult Sites" who are "Against" the "Child Pornography" website memberships applications in the 7 years the organization has been around?

If you were a previous member, and then decided to quit because of the name change and because of the .XXX issue, then your position would hold alot more credibility.

This is no different than FSC making the position that if you are not an FSC member, then you are not covered under the injunction they are receiving. Only stakeholders have the "right" to vote their thoughts, and that is done with $$$.

so for all those that are giving ASACP flak now, after 7 years of all the work they have done, and you have not been a member...... please use the can of hyprocrasy spray to remove the flatulence.



Fight the Farts!

Again, I respect the job that you folks do. But the simple fact is you have a panel and a membership made up of some of the best marketing people online and dare I say some of the most innovative people in business. The fact that ASACP is not acknowleged is as much of its own doing as it is those who attach a "stigma" to it.

As and example, I find it hard in an industry with people the likes of KB, ASACP can not get the ears of the media.

ASACP is not a booty call for the Attorney General's office and FBI or the NCMEC to take advantage of but forget about in the morning.

There are things that need to be done better, and you have a wide variety of people that could be approached for help.

The "stigma" will remain until youi wipe it away. Positive attention and acknowlegement will go a long way.




Fight the really bad tag lines :winkwink:

Well I am not trying to Give AsaCP guff, I am just trying to figure out where the money would go if they were "Technically" going to recieve monies from .xxx/IFFOR.

The answer has been given.
Stopping CP ONLY. Fine enough.
I aint happy with it but thats all there is to it.

Our industry needs a defense from Legislation and rogue Rightwing Law Makers.

So far it looks like no one wants to stop these Right Wing Law makers since doing so would be contrary to the bottom line $ to those involved in .xxx.

Fucken christ.

Absolutely! point well taken...

Fight the use of the patent-pending really bad tag lines process!

stay tuned :thumbsup



Fight the ... and now back to our regularly scheduled activism!

Activism=Good.

I think our industry has a shot to protect itself.
I am hoping it comes to that day.

.xxx is one of the windows we can take.

But its upto .xxx to figure out what to do with all the coin.

Fight the "Who holding all the cards"?

Or Make the call and see what can happen.

So far FSC and ASaCP are side stepping.
Thats not a good sign.

i disagree... .XXX should not have any coins.


Fight the short posts!

I know I am out of the loop these days, but I did just read the press release that Aly sent over. That is the first time I seen an official reference that ASACP was actually a non-profit. The company was originally setup by Alec Helmy, which I give him Kudos for, but it was not setup as a non-profit. I am assuming something has majorly changed, and they have re-incorportated and have official non-profit status with the government now. Has anyone actually verified this? Just curious. :)

But they do man...
Thats a fact.

see this press release on the announcement of the name change and non-proit status: http://www.asacp.org/press/pr030205.html



Fight the who reads press releases?!

.XXX has no coins. they have not opened up shop yet and won't be operational for a few months.

the people who support .XXX have alot of coins.



Fight the shiny things!

I like shiney things.

Shiny things can create opportunities.

I said earlier I stand to make a few bucks off of .xxx since I am sure people will need design for them. Baring that I might need to be an authorised/cerified XXX designer?

Humm...
AsaCP Dues
FSC Dues...
Authorised XXX Designer...
Certified XXX Domain Buyer.

Fee's fee's charges...

How many more fee's can I expect down the road?
Awe fuck this...

I am going to go back into doing what I do.

Design.

the question is

who is to gain the most from .xxx?

Ahhh what a good question: that is my question also. But I for some reason already know the answer to this, I hope I am wrong.

When most on this board and in our community are sleeping or are to busy dealing or not dealing with the 2257 issues, this smelly .XXX is trying to get by.

I have many problems with this, as I have posted so many times, its just stinks for one, for another why sell something saying that it protects children when it clearly does not, or .com could do the very same thing. Also the players, ahh the players lurking in the background, come forward and tell us who you are, you say you represent the majority of us on the internet, come forward and let us know who you are, I for sure know who you are. Hey if its so fucking great ...raise your hand and take some credit.

Its all about many things, greed being one of them, its a bunch of guys who have been in this biz along time, who want to continue to somehow control out industry, but where there plan fails is putting us all in one area, and then it becoming controlled by many different parts of the world, credit card, states passing laws etc. Do they care, Fuck No....the leader of this group has never ever been in our business nor does he really give a flying fuck about us.

If this bullshit .XXX passes it will be OUR fault for not coming together and telling these people that what they are saying is false and it?s not what WE want. We are quick to go to shows have fun, but putting all our resources together as "1" they could not ever touch us....but do we do it NO.

I am telling you that this .XXX thing is a bunch of bullshit, and its on us to make sure this thing does not go thru....those who have there heads buried in the sand or think it will magically go away you need to get involved and keep a close eye on this....

This could be the "silver bullet that could kill or seriously control our industry, don?t say it couldn?t happen, cause that is exactly what will happen.

I was told one night that this thing was "to big" and these guys are "untouchable" and its "to late" or "I don?t sit at there table" or some horse shit like that, when I hung up the phone all I wanted to do was take a blow torch to the whole thing.

I say suck my dick .XXX............hope it burns in hell. :mad:

ahhh i feel much better now ...thank you!

I am building a site called fuckdotxxx.com Mike you want in on it ;-)

my sentiments exacly mike about it being the major players behind the scenes - but who are they and who is this guy thats the leader?

as for coming together, good idea but realistically i dont see it happening unless a concerted effort is taken by some bigger players that oppose .xxx to come together - it takes money to "represent" as they say.

100..........

jonesy...........dont give up hope buddy, there is some good stuff being worked on as we speak.....i cant say what but its very good.

When this is a dead issue the ones that killed it will for sure talk about how they did it..... :thumbsup

No Brandon Im not member Im a member of other orgs and I thought about but once I saw they supported .xxx. I would never join them and I also highly doubt they couldnt nonprofit because of the name. The whole icm thing is not to fight cp but to protect childen and imagine that in their new name they have child protection. Also if we are not doing cp and dont have hardcore on our tour who the fuck are these people to say what is on my site and whats not on my site. Trust me this is all going to come back and bite us on the ass hard.
The org was adult sites against child pornography if they werent getting enough recognition for that ,thats their fault . We have a 24 hr news with lots of time to fill.

:Oh crap

im on point mike :thumbsup - there are those for and against and nothing like this gets through without a fight.

look at 2257. i think when all is said and done there will be more changes but definitive ones regarding secondary producers.

Bump


pay attention please to this ...........thanks