ASACP can SAY they are neutral but a neutral party doesn't take kickbacks

Nuff said

They sold out, now withdraw your support...I have had my beefs with the FSC in the past but on the issues of 2257 and .XXX the FSC is batting 2 for 2

Tell ASACP and anyone else selling you out to go fuck themselves

Bumpty, Bump.

asacp changing their name, and then moving in on this .xxx thing makes me think they hope adult was just a political springboard for them to move upward and make money. everything else is just bullshit.

instead of saying basically that they can be more acceptable by dropping adult sites from their name, maybe they should help us make adult sites something less threatening to the average american.

i strongly do not support .xxx. i strongly support parental participation and filters. .kids would also rock.

Connor - i'm a los angeles webmistress, and i've never seen a fsc person at the webmaster lunches we were having. i rarely see any of you on the boards. in fact, most of us know you're out there only from xbiz press releases.

i'd love to see the fsc more involved in our industry - i think that would encourage the industry to become more involved with the fsc. you seem to do great work, but honestly it's hard to want to support a group that says they're the voice of our industry when so many have neither had the opportunity to post with fsc folks or meet them?

The FSC has bi-monthly meetings in Woodland Hills, CA at the Marriot. The dates, times and places have been posted on GFY by myself for the past 6 months. Many webmasters make the trip to the San Fernando Valley for the meetings.

Why not contact [email protected] and give him your meeting information for posting on the FSC website's events page?

In truth, FSC boardmembers live all over the USA, not just LA. Therefore, we usually don't get together except for a day or two in order to conduct business. If we are close by when an event is occurring, we will attend.

We have attended all major trade shows with our booth.

I had a great time at the Phoenix Forum along with Michelle, our Executive Director. Were you there? We would have enjoyed meeting you.

Hope to see you soon.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I suggest you spend 30 seconds and use this link.

https://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=AL05F0...4&track=0#FORM

Well, I don't know when the last LA area webmaster lunch was, but I know Michelle was at the last LA area webmaster gathering a week ago Thursday

http://fubarwebmasters.com/current/c...5/100_5399.jpg

Sheesh baddog! Just read that link! :1orglaugh

There currently seems to be a lot of people walking all over the place and very few actually have a balanced view on any topic - Even those currently in power within the US - if we are to believe what is being said about em. A blind man can see thru others, including the originators of ASACP.

Underneath.. there is something "missing" :-) Good judgement is not a term that easily fits...

What law is that?? I never knew this - ya learn something new every day!

There is a very perverse sickness in the air and beginning to stink - that's coming from one of those who run "these criminal enterprises" (duh??) :-)

God bless the righteousness of your enemy - they know what is best for you - sure are seriously sad people :uhoh

Na dammit! Will add... That kinda shit is of a base level and ignorance that matches an Al Queda website any day. It has nothing to do with values, family or Christianity - yet it purports to offer "internships"? Sheesh.. gimme a break! Where do they breed?

.XXX will not stop anything!......................I am so happy some people are starting to realize this fact..........and you are so right this group ASACP i am sure they have there heart in the right place but i dont think Joan has control of what is going on. I think the very smart move for her is to move some place else that is not tainted or controled or moved by $$$ then the work can continue for all the right reasons, until then they dont get a dime from me or anyone I know.

The whole .XXX thing stinks really bad, and shame on them selling this load of shit using the "children angle" makes me so mad I just want to do something really bad. But as Lars says " i will pause when agitated"

Fuck .XXX
:321GFY

AlienQ...good point, but who else is taking the lead, someone who really represents our concerns and needs should be backed by all of us.

Where is Greg Dumas now, i want to hear him tell just how great this .XXX is now? He reads this board, why not post or come to a show and let us know, enlighten us with his wisdom and knowledge.

I want to see what the great thing is about this, and I want him and the rest to futher explain to me how this helps with protection of children? :mad:

I think Dumas is a has been by this time, or he just hides well.
Who knows.

I really do not think ASACP is technically a part of this industry so perhaps they over stepped there bounds in the first place.

CP is illegal and not condoned by this industries working businesses.

What ASACP deals with is not this industry but criminals.
I do not recall a successful company in this industry that has it's foundations in CP as a legit business.

i just roofied myself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




Quoting in its entirety because it needs to be seen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




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Where did Aly go???

.............did someone say

BUMP

I think so

I read it too

the public comments forums were closed already 1 year ago, I am not sure if that is the right adress, and also if it can be challenged at all, by sending a few emails. From my understanding ICANN already approved .xxx and now entered the final technical and commercial negotiations with them...

hey they are on our side, I wonder if they take donations?

You are wrong...


I can tell you this: Its being Challenged, and thank Gawd for that!

ICANN is listening also....there are some things that were pointed out of great importance in the application process....that just sucked dick, to bad lol.

Thanks, Connor. I will go catch up. The last thing I saw from her was the 'neutral' stand.

Found the letter. Guess they're not Switzerland, after all.

.xxx = BS to make a few selected people lots of money and fuck the majority of the industry

Thats how the Adult Internet Business works...shame

You are correct

Her lips say one thing, her actions are something else.

I would not go that far. They may feel the same way about .xxx as we do, but they are not "on our side."

No, he is correct. Try sending an email to [email protected] and see what happens.

I will save you some time . . . it will bounce.

Fully agree with this statement
 

Here here !

Did someone say BUMP?

thanks for saving me some time :thumbsup

one fitty :thumbsup

[QUOTE=3piece chicken Dinner]This quote is taken from HERE in the context of the article it implys that .xxx will have a Best Practices requirement. after reading the above mentioned quote.. It sure sounds like people may have to get the "good housekeeping seal" from ASACP in order to obtain their domains of choice. If someone had a long standing relationship with ASACP it seems like their requests might be approved a little quicker? If someone had a paid membership perhaps they get approval faster.

QUOTE]

Jeesh I wander where they got the term "Best Practices Requirements"

could not have been from here could it ???? http://www.asacp.org/best_practices.php

I think ASACP has a lot more to do with this .xxx that you guys think. to think that that letter Joan posted is the only corespondance between ICM and ASACP is insulting to say the least.

Baddog's open letter and Connor's efforts to raise awareness over the .XXX issue to ASACP advisory council and members has prompted an email to all ASACP sponsors to get their input, which will most likely end up with an Advisory Council vote. No word on when a vote will be taken, just that input is now being solicited.



Fight the Divisions!

Do you know who is on the advisory Council??

that is a step in the right direction for sure.

this is sort of what i mean. for people who don't even know who the fsc is, or who have only heard of the doings through xbiz, why would one bother to go to a meeting?

what i don't see is the fsc reaching out to the webmaster community - except now, when the fsc needs funds. had more people known who you are, and more about what you do, more people would be members.

i see all sorts of other organizations reach out to potential members. it's not just good marketing - it's a way to be involved with the community.

http://www.asacp.org/aboutus.php

2005

* Aly Drummond, AVN
* Michelle Freridge, Free Speech Coalition
* Alec Helmy, XBiz.com
* Tom Hymes
* Chris Jester, SplitInfinity
* Holly Moss, HMoss Consulting
* Larry Paciotti, CCLR Internet
* Scott Rabinowitz, TrafficDude
* Morgan Sommer, Cybersocket
* Amanda Gross, Epoch Transaction Services

2004

* Aly Drummond, AlyTV
* Alec Helmy, XBiz.com
* Tom Hymes, AVN Online
* Gary Kremen, Sex.com
* Morgan Sommer, Cybersocket
* Jeff Southworth, Epoch Transaction Services
* Kat Sunlove, Free Speech Coalition





Fight the copy/paste!

correction, tom hymes is no longer on the Advisory Council, since Michele is already there.

Fight the not updated website!

The FSC should not have to explaine what they do.
THey been here since the video days and have defended this industry since day one. If you are not aware of them you really should do some homework.

Unless of course your a total noob that expects everything to be handed to them.
It's kinda your job to see and know what they do as an industry professional.

Wow, you mean to tell me that speaking up, and causing awareness actually has an effect still?

Nice to hear.