my point was basically that affiliates these days have EVERYTHING except the sale handed to them on a silver platter....I have actually had one program offer me: hosting, an on hand designer that they pay for at anytime I need him, free copy of chameleon and some clothing...all in one swoop...WTF is that shit? i understand wanting to make people happy, but I had not even sent them one sale yet!

[QUOTE=After Shock Media]Affiliates for the most part are already spoon fed everything. Sponsor programs do the creatives, the content, the free hosting, the free hosted galleries with descriptions, and so on. The vast majority of affiliates do not do enough to justify the money they get. Fact is most of what the average affiliates does it import and push a damn button.

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:321GFY I can see you've been in the biz along time and understand that being affiliate is just a rool-in-the hay... Fuck, the postman has to have an armed guard for all the checks. Just put up a FAKE TGP and you're in the money.

Oh do you have it together!! Don't do any creatives, don't buy traffic, don't worry about SEO, don't have to buy content, fuck everything is for free. Skip the scammers, the shavers, skip 2257 too...., traffic, oh it's free from google.

Read my lips --- Shut The Fuck Up!

It's always bad news when models start asking stupid shit like this

She's going to cause you troubles

yes, the business model has become standard, but only because of competition, and the market is saturated...and every program trying to give more and more and more...until finally it will pop...and it eventually will...and things will back down drastically

hahahaha, that was a nice one :)

Oh, the days when PussyCash checks actually said PussyCash. That envelope never arrived sealed....LOL

Such a paysite could still do that, have their 500 monthly subscribers all to themselves AND.... by adding an affiliate program bring in twice that.

You can't look at it as bringing in 1000 members but only making half the money. That is money that the paysite owners otherwise wouldn't have, and that's why it is worth it. Trying to explain that to someone who just doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand is futile though, some people just will not get it no matter how it's explained.

If the affiliate program business model was the big bad utterly retarded thing that some of you seem to want to make it out to be, then why are ALL of the largest progams in adult running them?


And as to the point about affiliates being lazy... give me a fucking break people. An affiliate still has to build sites, still has to do design work, hundreds of hours of promotion and arranging link trades and networking in order to build up traffic, has to invest money for promo, must spend money on all the things he/she isn't able to provide themselves such as programing work, graphic design, ongoing grunt work, not to mention hundreds of hours a month in maintaining things...... anyone who thinks they can start from scratch and become the uber-affiliate overnight is completely out to lunch.

I'm not saying it's like digging ditches, but it's certainly not a simple cakewalk either.

Program owners who run affiliate programs are competing with each other for affiliates and their traffic. Why should I send even one hit to a site that offers me a payout of $5 when I can just as easily send my traffic to these other twenty programs who pay out $15 or $20?

Models who thiknk like Cheesefrog's model does should really stick to modelling. I've heard the same shit from some solo girl site owners, some of these girls just don't get it about why it's worth paying out 50% for affiliate referrals. I've come to tealize that this is one concept that you either get it or you don't.

Carry on...

Heheh and for some reason she seems to think that photographer = webmaster. And since there are so many photographers out there... yeah, you get the idea. :1orglaugh

On an affiliate by affiliate basis I would not know. There is a good chance you may very well earn what you recieve, and could possibly even justify even more. My comments are directed at the "standard affiliate".

Fine by me, think what you wish.

50...,......

And then there's woj. :1orglaugh

I just started another who will be pushing reality cash actually. It is not 50% payout though.

oh, i agree...affiliates are a GREAT thing to have...but if you seriously think that adding on affiliates will double the member base of any paysite, i personally think you are wrong...affiliates don't bring in as many members to a paysite as you would like think they do

i agree, extra money is good, and the larger sponsors agree also :)

look at my above post about what one of the larger programs offered me.....I said "I have actually had one program offer me: hosting, an on hand designer that they pay for at anytime I need him, free copy of chameleon and some clothing...all in one swoop"....that is them paying for everything I need to do anything, including design and promo...
WTF?????

Maybe I was a bit harsh. Lets go with absolutely no understanding of how or why this business works.

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jesus man, you just don't get how annoying that is, do you? i will make sure no one I know promotes anything that you ever fly in your sig

moron

Been in this long enough to know what I am saying.
First off understand the differences between a standard affiliate today and the select number of real affiliates who do actually work.

I have been an affiliate for a very long time and I do understand the work envolved, problem is very few "standard affiliate mindset" understand it.

I will stick with what I said. A program can do it by themselves and generally equal out to the same figures.

Tell her that after the shave it all evens out to 15% anyway. :)

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Time for a new sig, butt we do get the message.

I fully understand how and why this business works. So what if I take an unpopular opinion. Does it worry you or something if you know I am wrong, or is it possibly hitting a little to close to home.

Yes the super large programs are pretty much built by affiliates. Then again most also have timing on their sides as well. Fact is most sites that are not part of a giant program or who have not been around for the last 5+ years and specially smaller sites just starting out can take another route.

OK, agree. Many don't get the time really required. That's why the turn over...

Which model is it? Torri, Dakota, or Jayden?

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well if she ask the question, she dam sure won't understand your post. :1orglaugh

Should just tell you WILL NOT send any traffic 2 her site, and if I knew which one was her site I wouldn't send any as of RAT now even if she paid me 75%, She's a moron.

Torri...

I can only speak from my own experience, and according to that experience I am not wrong in the least.

Put it this way, one example happened many years back. I found an extreme niche fetish paysite that had zero affiliates. I struck a deal with the owner because I thought I could do well with promoting his stuff. That program, with ONE affiliate, increased it's membership by over 1/3 in a very short perdiod of time. I doubled his overall traffic back then and was paid whatever the standard affilliate payout was back then.

If he had of added in 100 or 200 more affiliates, well... it ain't rocket science as to what would have happened. And that's just one small example. I'm sure many program owners could tell you exactly how much they value the signups that their affiliates send each month, and why.

You're of course still entitled to think I'm wrong though. :D

Of course there are going to be exceptions.. but why complain? Bottom line for me is, I at one time had to put in a fucking TON of work to build and promote my sites in order that today I can "push a button" as someone said and make some money. It's still not that easy as far as I'm concerned, and the time it took to learn how to be able to "push that button" is valuable enough.

But hey, if every single paysite owner were to lower payouts right across the board then I guess affiliates would either have to suck it up, or develop their own pay sites and start taking 100% of the profits. :D

Most paysite owners I know don't seem all that hard done by for paying out what they do though, or offering other perks and incentives. I can think of several who live life pretty large the way things are, and they wouldn't be nearly so loaded without their hundreds or in some cases even thousands of affilates.

you talk to the help?

it's not a stupid question for somebody to ask who's not in this business - it's a very commission to pay on a sale. not sure what other business pays similar sales commissions - maybe none.

but as somebody else said earlier in the thread, that's a model to be worried about if she's already that suspicious - pay your models modeling fees.

She's delicious. :)

ask torri if she would like to spend a night with me

Just explain to her these very simple equations that I am sure any, well almost any, model can understand...

0+0=0
0-0=0
0/0=0
0x0=0

Bottom line is, nothing said here by anyone is going to change the fact that:

a) I can send my traffic to another program if yours doesn't want to pay the industry standard

b) any paysite owner is free to not have an affiliate program and do it all on his or her own, and keep 100% of the profits.

c) I forgot what c was...

d) Saying that affiliates are needless is laughable to the programs whose affiliate base sends them 100's of signups per day (or more), they would sooner stab themselves in the face with a screwdriver than drop their affiliate program.

e) there is no e.

very well said, and I agree on all counts

but I still think that programs should work on internal promotion far more than they do now, so they can increase profits overall without having to payout as much, thus reaping more benefits

Did anyone really say that exactly?

Non adult usually pays 10-15%

it is laughable to those programs, i think mainly because they can't concieve a world without affiliates, which is sad...i think you should begin and ahcieve stardom without affiliates, and then just use your affiliates as sort of a tent around what you already built...

but you are right, we all have our own opinions of how things should be run...and if someone is successful at what they are doing and living the high life, there is NO reason to change at all...if it works for you, then so be it :)

sure... it only takes so much time to update your sites (and shoot content for those that do it).. and even with content management systems now, you can plan ahead updates.

so really if sites arent out self promoting.. they are wasting a lot of time

ding ding ding.....which is what I never understood in adult...mainstream does do that one thing right, being greedy :)

"One of my models thinks...."

Are you positive on that?

no shit...with the CMS's out now...the only hard part anymore is initial design, shooting the content and then editing it...once that is done you upload and you have shitloads of free time...so why not aim to be a better salesman than your biggest affiliate?