Possibly some out there need to, yes. I know of several program owners that not only have a stable of affiliates but also buy paid spots and buy traffic all on their own, which in my book counts as working to reap more benefits.

Truth be known, I've done SEO work for more than a few paysites and paysite networks out there, which also shows that some are doing exactly what you're talking about. :D

It's nice to be able to carry on a debate/discussion without having some cocknocker beaking off at you, isn't it?

I wish this would happen more often here.


Guys, it's been a pleasure. :D

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup


Very good!!!

You couldn't hit further from home with me. I've never asked for anything from the sponsors I promote except for access to the content that is available to anyone else. I make my own sites, I have my own hosting, I get my own traffic, and I cash my check. That has absolutely 0 bearing on saying an affiliate is worth about 15% of a sale. What makes you think I would EVER send my traffic to someone that's going to give me 3% of what it's worth? It's already bad enough at 50%, nobody in their right mind would push a site at 15%.

Yes I know mainstream does it and mainstream is about 20 years behind the adult industry.

Glad you at least have some humor :winkwink:

Then by chance that means you are not the standard affiliate.

I am willing to do this type of work. I am at the computer 12+ hours a day (for my regular gig) and I always need steady income. If anybody has any opportunities please hit me up on ICQ 272309063. Thanks.

Would the almighty standard affiliates not go for something like this.
Per month:
0-2 sales 15%
2-4 sales 25%
5-7 sales 35%
8-9 sales 45%
10-20 sales 50%
21+ sales 60%

I still would imagine that the "standard" affiliates would bitch.

see what happens when actual professionals debate, and not trolls and idiots? LOL

i sit at my desk all day and eat (sometimes sleep) and breathe adult internet....which is more I can say for 90% of the people on this board

I wish I was doing more music work, but for now adult is paying the checks...i don't want to be a starving artist...LOL

that actually isn't a bad fucking idea...the more sales, the higher the payout

some programs do this already, but nothing this drastic

but there are so many programs that will give you 65% off the bat, it would have to be an across the board thing

Actually if a site could retain there is no reason why they could not do it.
To many build themselves up and around affiliate traffic from the get go. It has been my main point all along.

fire her

I think it's cool that she's asking questions and taking an interest in "our" side of the business. Refer her to an affiliate program or two and help her get some traffic going to her ads.
2 cents.

ROFLMAO

YA! What he said!

15% wouldn't cover the bandwidth that content would burn. Add in the time to crop/download/design/promote and you are in the hole.

Honestly, at 50% most affiliates are lucky to break even on the first couple sales. It's the recurring that makes it worth the effort, and single girl sites don't retain very well.

depends on the site, some sites that have a lower percentage can still make an affiliate more then pne that has a higher one.
the higher the payout the more ytour going to see shaving and other crap - also the lower payout site may convert allot better. Your math is flawed as it only looks at the main number, not the size of the end of month paycheck which in the end is what counts.

Guess im the only sucker paying 75% then :help

Your links would be pulled and replaced with another sponsor. Simple.

But since what you're saying isn't going to happen, what's the point of laying out all these scenarios?

Why not fire up a program and try out your theories? Like I've said twice in this thread now... YOU might offer a lower payout, but the next 20 programs over there are offering more... so where do you think affiliates are going to send thier hits?

If you want affiliates to your program, you have to make it worth their while. It's not my fault that that's the way it is, that's just the way it is, period. It's called competition, and the pay sites who thrive on affiliates are all competing to get more of them in theirs rather than see them send their traffic to someone else's.


some of you it seems fail to see that every part of this business is in balance with every other part, TGP's, link lists, gallery submitters, SE guys, designers, pay site owners, admins, content producers... we are all in this together. Some are into traffic flow, others are into marketing, others are into generating the very product that surfers are trying to get to..... it's symbiotic really.

Can someone go it alone without affiliates? yes. Should everyone? No. And I'm just not comfortable with the kinds of comments that basically say affiliates are needless or are overpaid etc, because I'll tell you right now, any program owner that says that about his affiliates will get zero hits of my hard-earned traffic. That's a promise.

depends on the site, I retain about half my members for 3 - 4 months or more and have about a hundred that have been recurring since 1997

maybe you have been promoting the wrong sites or your program is just telling you they are not staying longer so they can make some money.

Thanks to the dumb bitch, we have a good business thread on GFY.

100...........

Bro, you really get annoyed with "sig spots" don't you? :winkwink:

Remember though, you might only be able to speak from your own site's performance, but a long-time webmaster would likely be speaking from experience with dozens of different programs comprised of 100's of pay sites. That perspective is definitely where my opinion comes from.

As to your earlier point, I have on occasion sent traffic to lower-paying sponsors that I knew would do well for me, so you're right in part. But that other fellow's math was not flawed in essense, because if girlsite A is paying out 15%, and girlsites B-through-G are paying out 50%...... there is very little chance that site A is going to grab any significant share of the affilates looking to promote those types of sites. Thus girlsite A will make less money than the others unless girlsite A gets offer her ass and does all the promo on her own or else raises her payout to be competitive with that of the others.

http://www.rankmyride.com/data/9/2/4...eesefrog02.jpg

Nuff said.

Edit: Will anyone here other than Cheesefrog and I get this post?

People that jump into threads and post "sig spot" are obviously deficient in some vital element their body needs in order to maintain proper brain activity.

They should be strapped down and given electroshock therapy, one week for every "sig spot" they ever posted.

We would obviously never see some of you again. :D

There is around 475 main solo girls site , not hard to replace her if you are going to 15%. Take 30 seconds to remove a link and replace it.

The next one will be happy to offer 50-65% or PPS.

15% is for mainstream products crap. Who the hell will promote a solo girl for 15% ? Waste of time, bandwith etc etc

Like usual , some models think affiliate programs are magic to get sales. IF you fuck up with affiliates , they will move to the next program and never come back.

HAHAHA 0/0 does not = 0! ;-)

also, don't link her to GFY. you're the boss, she models, she gets paid. you do your job, and she does hers.

DON'T link her to this thread...do u want a model questioning your business practices reading gfy.com?

c'mon man, you're not fucking thinking here!


:helpme

Damn, I haven't seen that pic in a while. Right now my car is sitting up on jackstands waiting for the new VTEC mill to go in. Pushing for 700+ hp at the wheels this time around :thumbsup

That's exactly my point, but she's very new to the scene and is still learning about the way things work :) She has a lot of people telling her how they think things should be done, but none of them are actual WM's or program owners. Mostly just friends and photographers.

what he fucking said

fucking sig spot loser cunt bitches

A site can get all the affiliate they want, if they are not converting then they are not converting. There are amateur and single girl sites that will convert better then canned sites, so you could get 100% and still make less if it does not convert.

its all about what converts for your traffic, a lower payout on a lower percentage site can make you more money then a higher payout and vice versa, its all in the type of traffic and the type of site its sent to.

as for getting off ass and doing her own promo, it would be advised for any site to do that since most affiliates do not know how to get good diverse and targeted traffic, they all use tgp's and mgp's instead because they know nothing else.

Models have no business trying to run a business...

Look at the majority of solo sites run by the model featured. Do they make as much money as a Lightspeed site? Pretty much, no... Most of them come up and fail just like booth businesses at a mall. No one even knows the site exists here at GFY because she tries to do it all without affiliates even though CCBILL (her processor) has an affiliate system that an emu could run. Shame on her for trying to think.

I'd personally kick her to the curb.

Yep, run a fusker site like you do.

Yes, yes, but where are the pics?

remind me to get out of this business before i turn out like you.

but that the point, the only people who would do this job would be those who could not make more than $10 /hour. Which means you will be losing money on hiring these guys.

If you are hiring people who don't know what they are doing and training to do everything, then the second they start making more than $10/ hour they will jump ship and work for themselves.

you might just hint to your model that

1. she can make 50% of hundreds of webmasters' sales *OR* she can make 85% of ZERO sales. i don't know anyone in this business stupid enough to promote a site for 15%.

2. if she is a partner in your site, send her to some affiliate programs - the good ones - and she can see what the competition is paying (many up to 70%).

if she's not a partner, it's none of her business.

how does supply and demand play into this? for online porn the supply is practically unlimited

that is not true...the last guy I had work for me sat with me for a week and learned what I do, and after that he was a fucking HORSE...he learned and did so much on his own, it rocked....

this position I talk about is an entry level position, not for someone that knows their shit and is already making money