For 15% she better be really nice lookin.

Pics please.

give me his info so i can take advantage of him as well :winkwink:

Actually those "booth businesses" at the mall make a fucking killing if you know what you are doing. ROI as high as 500% a year. And those failures will run you upwards of $10,000 a month for rent. Just saying.

kickass body, but i don't care for her face...got anything head on?

tell her to get on the floor and get back to work...

CDsmith, I am truely sorry but I just typed out a very long response to your qoute of what I said. I managed to click the stupid ass new button on my mouse that paged back on me and it is lost now. :mad:

Main point is I took an unpopular opinion and am willing to ask why not?
Sure it may be outside of the norm, but it should never be taken as an insult to anyone. Not all affiliates are overpaid, many deserve every penny they generate.
Someone who is willing to take on an unpopular view and question the norm should not be thought the village idiot. Worst case is a business thread appears on GFY and actual buisness is discussed.

Let me break it down to why 50% is perfectly fair and 15% is absurd.

A affiliate sends your site a sale.
lets say the going rate is $19.95 for a membership.

At 50% that makes the webmaster $9.98 per sale.

Ok, take off processing and check fees and you're looking at $9.00 to the affiliate.

That $9 has to cover the bandwidth it took in page views to generate that selling click from the gallery/freesite/landingpage/banner/etc.

There's costs of advertising for gallery building affiliates to take into consideration too. That ranges anywhere's from $30 a month for a month's worth of listings to $600 a single day for one gallery. Multiply this by how ever many sites you pay for inclusion and/or review for inclusion.

Next, lets factor in the design time and money.

A good gallery design costs $30 in money and/or time. Same for a freesites and any other sites you build to promote with.

Now... simple scenario: It costs the gallery building affiliate $30 for a gallery, $20 in hosting after submitting to a few hundred sites and however much it costs for advertising (fees to get galleries review and/or placed) lets average the cost to being $100 for a simple low level gallery affiliate. That includes hosting, placement fees and time/money for the gallery design. Again, this is LOW level gallery affiliate. MANY are spending 10 times that per day.

He sends you 6 sales from this one gallery over time.

That equals $54. Multiply that by the industry standard 2.5 months that a member stays a member and you got $135 that the affiliate earns. $35 dollars profit. At that, the profit margin is pretty low to begin with but they bite it and submit more than one per day and find other methods of traffic generation, which still costs time/money.

Now lets look at this from a 15% standpoint that this greedy girl is suggesting.

That leaves the affiliate earning $5 from that single gallery thus leaving the affiliate in the hole by $95.

Now, to the girl wanting to drop payout to 15%: Are you intelligent enough and have enough financial backing and the drive to push galleries, freesites, landing pages, banner ads , SE pages etc etc every day 7 days a week X however many affiliates there are promoting your site?

I say this because nobody would take a hit of $95 each day because you don't understand what the numbers are. 50% is more than fair to pay affiliates. They worked hard, used their intelligence and put money and time on the table to promote you.

Don't be so fucking greedy.
You stick to spreading your legs, we'll stick to promotional campaigns. Pay the fair 50% and spend your money on coke, booze, useless handbags ...whatever. We don't care. Just don't think for a second that 50% is too much. There's a reason you're the one spreading and not the one selling and your suggestion proves it.

an extra 15 % would be very nice...heheheh

Why not just suggest taking 35% off her paychceck to teach her a lesson for trying to think.

if you are doing one side of things, you have to do the other....

now break costs down on the paysite owners side of things, i am too damn lazy to do it

I thought about that just after I posted it. it works out to about the same as what gallery affiliates make at 50/50. it's just the startup cost that is a lot. but that's not the affiliates responsibility.

The site owner also has a large advantage. Advertising ability in their site directed at proven CC weilding hormone driven males.

You'd be the lowest of any ccbill sponsor I have and probably lose traffic. :2 cents:

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You could have 5 affiliates stupid enough to send you traffic for 15% (where you gross 85%) or you could have hundreds of affiliates sending you traffic for 50% (where you gross 50%). Its a volume game. If you as a paysite owner aren't willing to offer competitive rates to basically earn "free" sales and branding, than I as an affiliate would be more than happy to move on to a different program.

Affiliate programs base their business models on VOLUME.

Tell her to worry about keeping her hips thin and the breasts perky so she keep that moneymaker workin!

Honestly, if you cant explain adult online economics to her, nobody here can.

This girl would do great.
But really webmasters wouldnt settle for 15%, it does not matter how sweet she is.

And this girl looks very very sweet.

Here's the other side of it. A paysite could REALISTICALLY pay 100% of what affiliates make them because of the FREE branding and type ins that are created from it. Ask a talkative paysite owner how many type ins they get out of nowhere from somebody remembering the url from a gallery and how many sales they pick up with no referral even though an affiliate got the customer there to begin with 3 months ago. They might pay 50% on paper but the actual figure is nowhere near that. Then you have word of mouth referrals from people that joined through an affiliate link but the person they told doesn't go back to the page it was seen on they type in the URL. That's just a few examples, there are many more.

this is really a great informative thread....for once on gfy...WOO HOO!

You'd have to do something absolutely sensational for reasonable minded affiliates to accept a drop from 50% to 15%. Then there's still the rest of the affiliates left. :)

Excellent points, but I don't expect her to know this right off the bat. Like I said, she's new and there's a learning curve to this whole game. I like my girls to be involved somewhat in the back-end of the operation so that just in case anything ever happens to me, they might have some kind of clue about what to do. But right now, I'm afraid she's being fed misleading and uninformed advice from people who have never been in this business before. Thanks for putting things in perspective. :thumbsup

I want to thank everyone for this thread. I like these types of business discussions and look forward to the next one!

Cheesefrog: You seem like you care about your models so the 'tell the bitch to shut the fuck up and spread her pussy' response isn't for you. The simplest answer is for her to understand you just can't do everything yourself. The old expression is 'jack of all trades... master of none.' But having knowledge of all areas is a great thing. It keeps your business in perspective and enables you to make informed descisions.

The simplest answer is for your model to start promoting herself though various methods. Maybe she's doing this already. She should have her own affilate code with an amazing payout percentage to motivate her. As long as it doesn't distract her from her primary responsibility of being content, it would help her understand the business better. And increase revenue and keep her interested in the business long. With the turn over of models in the adult/modeling business, keeping a quality model is a task in its self.

I can only assume you believe she has the mental capacity for this business. I know many people (younger and older) that lack the focus or commitment to be in business for themselves, or hell, for that matter others. Best of luck to you and your models.

the supply and demand of joins that affiliates can send.

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