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SetTheWorldonFire 06-22-2005 10:34 AM
siggity sig spot

crockett 06-22-2005 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkris
I would like to actually answer this one. If fris would not have done what he had done, Brad wouldn't have known(?) about the issue, thus, if a blackhat found the hole, they could be stealing all of everyones information. Granted, fris might not have respected privacy by posting the info, but he got Brads attention and I am hoping by this point the issue is being resolved with the software. I myself am into pen-testing (just now getting into web-pen-testing) but the same concept applies. Someone has to do it to stay on top of the game, otherwise people will get owned.
with open holes like that, there is no telling how many times the info could have already been stolen by others. Just because Fris is the first to point it out, doesn't mean others haven't already found those same holes and are using them to their advantage.

Sometimes I wonder why my webmaster e-mail accounts get so much fucking spam.. Could it be the sponsors selling their lists? Could it be open holes like this, just waiting for my info pluss every other webmasters and even customers info sitting their waiting to be taken.

Holly 06-22-2005 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cherrylula
well hello ladies! :girl
Hola chica :girl

XPays 06-22-2005 10:39 AM
http://www.evanradio.com/picslink/brad2.jpg

xxxice 06-22-2005 10:40 AM
ok just got back from wendys what happened ?
all i can say is fris is a great guy :thumbsup

dirtydesignz 06-22-2005 10:41 AM
Looks like Fris did you a favor Brad.....

Let's not forget how you posted screen shots of Danzas stats right here on GFY.....

I understand that you have egg on your face and you are a bit embarrassed, but lashing out at Fris is the wrong way to go. Maybe you should be concentrating on fixing your mess instead of threatening the guy who showed you the problem in the first place and quite possibly saved you millions in damages IF the wrong person had discovered your mistakes.....

:2 cents:

jawanda 06-22-2005 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydesignz
Looks like Fris did you a favor Brad.....

Let's not forget how you posted screen shots of Danzas stats right here on GFY.....

I understand that you have egg on your face and you are a bit embarrassed, but lashing out at Fris is the wrong way to go. Maybe you should be concentrating on fixing your mess instead of threatening the guy who showed you the problem in the first place and quite possibly saved you millions in damages IF the wrong person had discovered your mistakes.....

:2 cents:
Indeed. Seems Brad would be liable if this information was taken from his (OPEN) system and used illegally.

CDSmith 06-22-2005 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkris
I would like to actually answer this one. If fris would not have done what he had done, Brad wouldn't have known(?) about the issue, thus, if a blackhat found the hole, they could be stealing all of everyones information. Granted, fris might not have respected privacy by posting the info, but he got Brads attention and I am hoping by this point the issue is being resolved with the software. I myself am into pen-testing (just now getting into web-pen-testing) but the same concept applies. Someone has to do it to stay on top of the game, otherwise people will get owned.
I see what you're saying and where you guys are coming from, but it still doesn't answer my question.

Is fris in the habit of just picking a company and doing consulting work for them without actually being asked to or officially hired?

Is this some kind of good samaritan thing some of you guys are doing?

Unpaid exposing of exploits R us? :1orglaugh

evildick 06-22-2005 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn
How is what fris did any different than you posting Danza's stats/graph/etc.

Pot meet kettle.
Owned.

:thumbsup

DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing 06-22-2005 10:54 AM
my question is this..
say you own a business with an actual store front. One day you leave the office and forget to close the back door. Its wide open. Along comes a man who walks right in, goes into your back office and starts looking through customer information. He then leaves and goes and tells others that there is this private information in this unlocked, open, building.

Is that legal? My opinion is no.. under our current laws, I would have to say the guy is guilty of trespassing atleast. Then there is a conspiracy law since everyone else was told AND the guy knew he wasnt supposed to be there.. but he was.. and he told other people, while he had this knowledge... thats another law broken...

ChefJeff 06-22-2005 10:56 AM
Am I too late for a good sig spot?

candyflip 06-22-2005 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing
my question is this..
say you own a business with an actual store front. One day you leave the office and forget to close the back door. Its wide open. Along comes a man who walks right in, goes into your back office and starts looking through customer information. He then leaves and goes and tells others that there is this private information in this unlocked, open, building.

Is that legal? My opinion is no.. under our current laws, I would have to say the guy is guilty of trespassing atleast. Then there is a conspiracy law since everyone else was told AND the guy knew he wasnt supposed to be there.. but he was.. and he told other people, while he had this knowledge... thats another law broken...
Forgetting to lock the door is one thing, not even bothering to put locks on the door is something completely different.

Buddy 06-22-2005 10:56 AM
I don't know Brad, but I've seen his board persona and he seems to take great joy at pissing on other people, so all I can really say is that if you choose to live by the sword you die by the sword. But in the end I think these pissing matches benefit the rest of us. NATS is a better product because of the exploit that Brad pointed out publicly. If Brad is smart ES will be a better product tomorrow when he has fixed this issue. Someone needs to find and point out these problems so that they aren't exploited by a bad guy.

Mr Pheer 06-22-2005 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBucksJohn
How is what fris did any different than you posting Danza's stats/graph/etc.

Pot meet kettle.
because he can dish it out, but he cant take it :winkwink:

LadyMischief 06-22-2005 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing
my question is this..
say you own a business with an actual store front. One day you leave the office and forget to close the back door. Its wide open. Along comes a man who walks right in, goes into your back office and starts looking through customer information. He then leaves and goes and tells others that there is this private information in this unlocked, open, building.

Is that legal? My opinion is no.. under our current laws, I would have to say the guy is guilty of trespassing atleast. Then there is a conspiracy law since everyone else was told AND the guy knew he wasnt supposed to be there.. but he was.. and he told other people, while he had this knowledge... thats another law broken...

But if you left your door unlocked, sure as hell insurance wouldn't be paying out on it :P

ninavain 06-22-2005 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ
Fris what ya did is wrong dude...

I knew ya were an asshole.
I knew it would be only a matter of time before unquestionable proof of such came about. Ya fuck with the bull ya get the horns. Ya can bet your gonna have to go all the way to court over the matter.

Brad does not fuck around.
Unfortunatly your such a newb ya got no idea what your up against....
:thumbsup :thumbsup

tranza 06-22-2005 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris
shall i post logs of you msging me on icq crying to me why i hate you?

dont be pissed off you little minion
You mean this?

Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:46 PM
You have sent a message to fris
Lol... I didn't know I had you on my list....
Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:46 PM
You have sent a message to fris
Why do you hate me?
Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:46 PM
You have received a message from fris
why are you msging me?
Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:48 PM
You have sent a message to fris
I was cleaning my list and I saw your name. I looked at the History and it seems that you didn't have any beef with me in January... So I wanted to know, why do you have beef with me?
Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:48 PM
You have received a message from fris
i dont care enough to answer
Date and Time: 06/09/2005 06:49 PM
You have sent a message to fris
lol... ok... nevermind.... I tried...

Where am I crying exactly?

Idiot.

MetaMan 06-22-2005 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoc
Fletch you may be to hardcore for Brad..


http://lavender.fortunecity.com/shor...rame/asa09.jpg

wow he can take knife pics with a cam, he MUST be hardcore, i think all that shitty music he listens to has gotten to his head and think that we actually CARE.

kimmykim get a boobjob. :2 cents:

RAM 06-22-2005 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy
I don't know Brad, but I've seen his board persona and he seems to take great joy at pissing on other people, so all I can really say is that if you choose to live by the sword you die by the sword. But in the end I think these pissing matches benefit the rest of us. NATS is a better product because of the exploit that Brad pointed out publicly. If Brad is smart ES will be a better product tomorrow when he has fixed this issue. Someone needs to find and point out these problems so that they aren't exploited by a bad guy.

Very good point :thumbsup

nico-t 06-22-2005 11:06 AM
ha hah ha ha sig spot bla bla
wtf!
Anyway some bikes have spokes

woj 06-22-2005 11:06 AM
100........ :glugglug

dropped9 06-22-2005 11:06 AM
woooooojjjjjjjjjjjj

s9ann0 06-22-2005 11:06 AM
pang!!!!

Manowar 06-22-2005 11:07 AM
my sig spot in this thread is priceless

Peaches 06-22-2005 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyMischief
But if you left your door unlocked, sure as hell insurance wouldn't be paying out on it :P
In the US it would.

mikeyddddd 06-22-2005 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy
I don't know Brad, but I've seen his board persona and he seems to take great joy at pissing on other people, so all I can really say is that if you choose to live by the sword you die by the sword. But in the end I think these pissing matches benefit the rest of us. NATS is a better product because of the exploit that Brad pointed out publicly. If Brad is smart ES will be a better product tomorrow when he has fixed this issue. Someone needs to find and point out these problems so that they aren't exploited by a bad guy.
That...well, that..it's just..too sane to be sensible :winkwink:

ninavain 06-22-2005 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyJ_ExtendedMarketing
my question is this..
say you own a business with an actual store front. One day you leave the office and forget to close the back door. Its wide open. Along comes a man who walks right in, goes into your back office and starts looking through customer information. He then leaves and goes and tells others that there is this private information in this unlocked, open, building.

Is that legal? My opinion is no.. under our current laws, I would have to say the guy is guilty of trespassing atleast. Then there is a conspiracy law since everyone else was told AND the guy knew he wasnt supposed to be there.. but he was.. and he told other people, while he had this knowledge... thats another law broken...

big time bingo

Alex 06-22-2005 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbreed
Why even comment? Why not just keep it out of the public eye? I cannot believe your counsel would let you make a public statment like that. :disgust
You actually think anyone is going to sue anyone?

Meat 06-22-2005 11:11 AM
lol
first brad blames his staff when he doesnt know what the fuck is going on
then he blames himself when he gets called out about it but doesnt know what the fuck is going on
then he blames himself and his staff cos he still doesnt really know whats going on

NOW hes shooting the messneger

ROFLMAO

PATHETIC

Brad the weasel shaw points fingers at everyone else he can at every opportunity but when the fucking finger is pointed at him he cant take his own medicine

useless fuck

Alex 06-22-2005 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fris
what crime, i did not hack you, or anything of that matter. i would love to see this stand up in court. i was showing a vuln in your product which shouldnt be ignored. because i brought it to gregs attention in montreal that their was issues that should be looked at. but he ignored that. he you choose to ignore it over time. you could lose important date from someone destructive. i was showing you weak points so you could fix it.

but my lawyer will go over these and have no issues going to court with you. i have no problems with that.

its what i do for a living and i have been doing security consulting for 7 years.

i will enjoy meeting you face to face.

am i disgruntled? no. you are just another character on gfy.

hope to chat to you soon.


you know how to contact me if you need anything regarding anything.
:thumbsup

Dameian 06-22-2005 11:13 AM
He *did* violate the privacy of several thousand people.

TheGoldenChild 06-22-2005 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyddddd
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This was my early morning laugh of the day

sig spot

mobbucks.com/kb

sign up today
Brad Shaw will be sending me traffic tomorrow

:-))

polish_aristocrat 06-22-2005 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
You actually think anyone is going to sue anyone?
Mr "I am always right" just entered this thread

Turtle 06-22-2005 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameian
He *did* violate the privacy of several thousand people.
That would be the only real case, I would think. :2 cents:

mindoza 06-22-2005 11:19 AM
Fris has a great talent and I am glad to see it is being used for good! Nobody is perfect and shit does happen, however it is not the problem but how you handle it that counts.
Greg A+++
Brad F

Oh on another note, I have a similar talent as fris. I test out men's sexual skill. I have found a hole or two as well but most have not let me crack that code LOL. If there is anyone interested in a free evaluation hit me up, it is a limited time offer. and CD no, nobody asked me to do this im just a good citizen!!

Alex 06-22-2005 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameian
He *did* violate the privacy of several thousand people.
Brad shaw did.

Since it was in a public directory availibe for any one to see, fris didnt hack or violate anything.

MickeyG 06-22-2005 11:21 AM
bwhaaha Brad u got owned. What comes around goes around and you sure as fuck had it coming!

Dameian 06-22-2005 11:22 AM
Here's a fun scenario to consider: Imagine if those customers were ever able to get together and file a class action suit against fris for violating their privacy *and* Brad's company for some sort of gross negligence.

Now THAT would be drama.

Alex 06-22-2005 11:23 AM
Also.

If i had $1 for evertime someone called out someone else on gfy and said "my lawyers are waiting and prepare for the lawsuit" but nothing ever happend.

I would have so much money i can buy bradshaw three times over.


This is all fake drama so bradshaw can gain back his "ego"

KMR Stitch 06-22-2005 11:23 AM
Someone call the wahhhhbulence


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