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newbreed 07-14-2005 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K
roger, i think you have a dvd player coming your way.

Roger don't hold your breath, they owe me 2 now, and AaronM several more :1orglaugh

Aly 07-14-2005 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by newbreed
Aly that's a lame attempt at controlling the issue as presented in this thread thus far. AVN dropped the ball and got a little to greedy this time, bottom line. And to not listen to top advertisers and sponsors was a bad move on AVN's part, and I think most here will agree.


I really and genuinely don't think this is a lame attempt at anything. After every event all attendees and sponsors are emailed surveys asking for their feedback (if they put correct email addresses). Changes are made based on that feedback. If sponsors and ANY advertisers and, well anybody actually, has ideas or feedback it is now being listened to. Absolutely! But throwing that request in 3 weeks before the show is NOT realistic! It WILL be taken into account for the future.

newbreed 07-14-2005 07:56 PM

Aly seriously, one of your own lied out his teeth to me about some things, big things, and it was obvious a few hours later he was a liar. He cost me some cash, no doubt about it. But more importanly, he cost AVN some cash...

newbreed 07-14-2005 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
I really and genuinely don't think this is a lame attempt at anything. After every event all attendees and sponsors are emailed surveys asking for their feedback (if they put correct email addresses). Changes are made based on that feedback. If sponsors and ANY advertisers and, well anybody actually, has ideas or feedback it is now being listened to. Absolutely! But throwing that request in 3 weeks before the show is NOT realistic! It WILL be taken into account for the future.

Bullshit, it takes a 2 minute phone call from you to the powers that be...

This is what the MASSES want, listen or don't, your companies future will reflect any decision made. I really feel for you in the position you are in, I really do.

Aly 07-14-2005 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by newbreed
edit - as a potential advertiser w/AVN, I got screwed hard a few weeks ago by your sales force. I promised myslef I would not speak out publicly about it, but in this case it's totally justified. AVN has little to no respect from me and my partners, many of whon are pretty big on the other side of your company. Expect to see no mney from us for a while, at least until honesty and opneness becomes a priority over there.

Feel free to click the 'feedback' part of my sig, if you're ever inclined... Please. I really have no idea what your experience was. Thanks.

newbreed 07-14-2005 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
Feel free to click the 'feedback' part of my sig, if you're ever inclined... Please. I really have no idea what your experience was. Thanks.


Nor should you know, it's not your job according to you. You are responsible for Internext and avn feedback, not lying full of air employees. I don't even care anymore, doesn't even matter except to expose what a joke your company came of as when we tried to deal with them honestly and completly.

edit - it's not you Aly, it's AVN

3piece chicken Dinner 07-14-2005 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
Feel free to click the 'feedback' part of my sig, if you're ever inclined... Please. I really have no idea what your experience was. Thanks.

My goodness you have an awful job.



Aly, there is no one in this thread that will believe for one minute that this situation can't be resolved. While I can appreciate a well thought out response to some very tough questions by unhappy potential advertisers, unhappy sponsors, and unhappy attendies. Maybe I can help you out. I'll say it all for you.


Dear concerned webmasters, program owners and sponsors.

ON THE RECORD this is not going to change. EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO PAY!

Yes the evening guest pass was implemented so people could pick up hookers at the club and bring them back to their rooms. ( what time do the evening guests get kicked out btw? 8am, 9am, noon??) But do not fear concessions will quietly be made for a few super heavy hitters. They know who they are :winkwink: :winkwink: So keep you advertising dollars flowing our way, and don't worry, those with advertising dollars will get the secret VIP treatment.


If you have feedback , click aly's sig.

seeric 07-14-2005 08:26 PM

i have to commend aly for being the most diplomatic and level thinking person on this entire board. she should be given a raise and the biggest office at avn's office. she is taking the heat from all angles. heat that has gasoline being dumped on it, and heat that is, at this moment in the history of the shows, under a microscope. aly, you are doing a great job and at least listening to what people have to say, and providing feedback to the higher ups. you officially have the hardest job in adult online in my opinion. not many others could sit there and take the abuse you have been taking. many would have snapped and probably setback the overall mission of your position over there. it's not your job to fix all the problems, but you are doing one hell of a job at listening and taking the beating. my hats off to you. you're a great person.

J$tyle$ 07-14-2005 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K
i have to commend aly for being the most diplomatic and level thinking person on this entire board. she should be given a raise and the biggest office at avn's office. she is taking the heat from all angles. heat that has gasoline being dumped on it, and heat that is, at this moment in the history of the shows, under a microscope. aly, you are doing a great job and at least listening to what people have to say, and providing feedback to the higher ups. you officially have the hardest job in adult online in my opinion. not many others could sit there and take the abuse you have been taking. many would have snapped and probably setback the overall mission of your position over there. it's not your job to fix all the problems, but you are doing one hell of a job at listening and taking the beating. my hats off to you. you're a great person.

Very well said, brotha! I was just thinking the same thing.

:thumbsup

I hope AVN appreciates all Aly does.

:2 cents:

3piece chicken Dinner 07-14-2005 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
i have to commend aly for being the most diplomatic and level thinking person on this entire board. she should be given a raise and the biggest office at avn's office. she is taking the heat from all angles. heat that has gasoline being dumped on it, and heat that is, at this moment in the history of the shows, under a microscope. aly, you are doing a great job and at least listening to what people have to say, and providing feedback to the higher ups. you officially have the hardest job in adult online in my opinion. not many others could sit there and take the abuse you have been taking. many would have snapped and probably setback the overall mission of your position over there. it's not your job to fix all the problems, but you are doing one hell of a job at listening and taking the beating. my hats off to you. you're a great person.



I agree 100% I think you may have said it better than I did.

RonC 07-14-2005 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN
Ron, first and foremost if you really don't see a value in exhibiting in January I agree you shouldn't do so.

The assertion, however, that 'AVN just does not care'... based on the fact that Internext is unlikely to change it's pricing structure and refund money 3 weeks prior to the event, in order for female attendance to increase, seems very unfair.

I agree whole-heartedly that crowds of beautiful women (and men) will improve the overall atmosphere of the show, as does anybody in this office. The evening guest passes were implemented to help in that area, and the SilverCash Bikini contest should do so as well.

It would be excellent to come up with a great way of doing this next time around and I don't doubt they will, but that's how these things work Ron, and you know that. All those brilliant ideas/ feedback can be assessed, worked out and implemented for next time. I don't recall seeing a chocolate fountain at previous Phoenix Forums, or a cash-registerless 7Eleven for that matter... they're brilliant ideas that grew out of experience and change.

There may be many faults to find with AVN, and I want to hear them, but I want to hear them in order to implement positive change. I want to hear them because I see a value to the industry in making these products better. I encourage you to let time take it's course, to encourage positive change yourself, and to focus on how we can realistically make things better.

I appreciate any and all feedback you have. Thanks.



Aly

LOL you should run for office. Or better yet come work for me.

I know first hand what goes into a show of this size. I truly can say this because we had just as many people in Phoenix this year as this show will have. We are talking about 3 weeks.


What would really have to happen in 3 weeks.

1. You make an annoucement that all talent can come for free and all they need to do is go to the registration desk and get a badge

2. Anybody who has already paid please email us at [email protected] and we will process your refund.

3. Tell the registration Staff that Talent badges are free

4. Tell everyone that if you are caught with a talent badge and you are not talent you will be eject from the venue.

Even Ibill's employees could have made this happen in 3 weeks.

WOW


Ron C

RonC 07-14-2005 08:56 PM

Aly


I have said my opinions now and I am sorry that I put you in such a hot seat.
I have all the respect in the world for you and I totally understand what it is like to have people yelling at you and not be able to make the call since you are not the owner. For that my Hat is off to you. I guess I just wanted to let AVN know it was not just Roger and a few no names on GFY asking for this.

I must really need to take a vacation. I am sure glad I am going fishing next week in Cabo on my New Boat:)

So this will be my last post my Dear. Hugs and Kiss till Miami

Ron C

sharpx9 07-14-2005 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
Don't take my word for it, but from I understand you need a badge to be on the premises - which means you've got to be registered. But for 4 hotties, I'm sure someone can make an exception. Please. :winkwink:

nice sig :D

datatank 07-14-2005 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC

Even Ibill's employees could have made this happen in 3 weeks.



:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

BradShaw 07-14-2005 09:16 PM

Ron, I am in Cabo now. It is ROUGH and hot, Bring sunscreen and Dramamine.

RonC 07-14-2005 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw
Ron, I am in Cabo now. It is ROUGH and hot, Bring sunscreen and Dramamine.

Look for a boat called On The Edge. It is parked right at the front of the main marina 3 slips down.

I wish I was there I would take you out fishing. When do you leave I arrive next Wed.


Ron C

RawAlex 07-14-2005 09:28 PM

OKay, help me out here... define "talent"... can we go specifically for "bunnies and hares"?

Considering that show floor often isn't the hot spot at the miami show, can I ditch the badge and just get a "pink" badge? I suspect many people would be happy to just sit in the hotel all day all night and do nothing - not be part of the show floor, not go to seminars... just hanging out. Many people were "pink badging" the vegas show, just by not bothering to stand in line forever to get into the event.

Now, I think there might be something here. Perhaps for every 2 show badges purchased, you can get one pink badge for talent. So Ron, your 23 or 24 badges would also come with 12 talent badges.

I think that might solve many of the issues.

RogerV 07-14-2005 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC
Aly


I have said my opinions now and I am sorry that I put you in such a hot seat.
I have all the respect in the world for you and I totally understand what it is like to have people yelling at you and not be able to make the call since you are not the owner. For that my Hat is off to you. I guess I just wanted to let AVN know it was not just Roger and a few no names on GFY asking for this.

I must really need to take a vacation. I am sure glad I am going fishing next week in Cabo on my New Boat:)

So this will be my last post my Dear. Hugs and Kiss till Miami

Ron C

Thanks for the support Ron and everyone else.. You know I appriciate it.I really didn't expect it to take off like this but I guess alot of people had the same concerns or had other issues which have been ignored

Aly is a Sweet Heart we all know that.. she was given a position without any power which makes it difficult for her to make changes and which is not her fault at all.

If anyone can open AVN's eyes it's Aly I told her already if she couldn't I lost all faith in them.

The ball is in there court now and this will be my last post on this matter as well..



Aly I still love ya Darling

and Ron if she doesn't can I take the job offer :winkwink:

4Pics 07-14-2005 11:02 PM

Since Avn doesn't care about chicks, CCBill should put on a webmaster event the same weekend this year too. You have 3 weeks to plan it and make it happen.

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NETbilling 07-14-2005 11:26 PM

We are very excited about the Porn Poker Tour and whether you agree or not with the pricing, it is what it is and it is the biggest show of the mid-year. We are sponsoring in a big way and are looking forward to doing some good business and showing everyone a great time.

Mitch

p.s. Aly is an amazing person and is doing an excellent job, as always.

3piece chicken Dinner 07-14-2005 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling
We are very excited about the Porn Poker Tour and whether you agree or not with the pricing, it is what it is and it is the biggest show of the mid-year. We are sponsoring in a big way and are looking forward to doing some good business and showing everyone a great time.

Mitch

p.s. Aly is an amazing person and is doing an excellent job, as always.


Good Event. And at 300.00 a pop for talent. It'll be just like a real poker room.
800 cocks 5 chicks.

3pcd :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

xxxice 07-14-2005 11:36 PM

Have fun :thumbsup

RawAlex 07-15-2005 12:24 AM

I also wonder about all these "playahs" that can't fork up $300 to bring their girl with them...

wow.

Alex

eroswebmaster 07-15-2005 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
Good Event. And at 300.00 a pop for talent. It'll be just like a real poker room.
800 cocks 5 chicks.

3pcd :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

jonesy 07-15-2005 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
I also wonder about all these "playahs" that can't fork up $300 to bring their girl with them...

wow.

Alex

playas aint bitchin about bringing one girl.

i also wonder about haters too...

are you in the game?
are you going to internext?
have you been to any tradeshows?
would you like or do you think its REASONABLE to pay a thousand bucks for badges so 3 female reps can walk the floor for you?

just because a playa has money doesnt mean he should spend it foolishly ...

:pimp

Far-L 07-15-2005 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newbreed
Aly that's a lame attempt at controlling the issue as presented in this thread thus far. AVN dropped the ball and got a little to greedy this time, bottom line. And to not listen to top advertisers and sponsors was a bad move on AVN's part, and I think most here will agree.


I respectfully disagree. I think Aly answered directly, professionally, and with consideration to both sides of the issue.

It is not easy to be in her position nor is it easy to deal with dissatisfied clients.

seeric 07-15-2005 01:45 AM

ALY IS MY HERO!!!!!!!!!

theres an old adage:

don't shoot the messenger. aly is that messenger and therefore consequently immune from all harrassment and insolitude.

she is the icon of withstanding.

ALY FOR PRESIDENT!

seeric 07-15-2005 02:14 AM

end of thread.

point made.

king roger lives for eternity.

11 pages.
5281 views.
www.madviews.com
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night night.

D-Money 07-15-2005 02:18 AM

...... :disgust

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-15-2005 02:27 AM

I really do not see so much diplomacy here...

Nothing was negotiated.

Xenophage 07-15-2005 05:48 AM

This is a very long thread. See ya all in Miami come hang out at our Cabana by the pool :) I got lots of girlie t-s to give away to all the talent LOL

sexysphere 07-15-2005 06:24 AM

Ok this is how it works.

Time to make new badges for models: 6 hours
Invest = few hundreds dollars.

Time to make a new thread for the good news: 7 mins
Invest = free.

Time for AVN to decide it = 6 months.

Sometimes people want to turn easy resolution into complicated stuff.

tony286 07-15-2005 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sexysphere
Ok this is how it works.

Time to make new badges for models: 6 hours
Invest = few hundreds dollars.

Time to make a new thread for the good news: 7 mins
Invest = free.

Time for AVN to decide it = 6 months.

Sometimes people want to turn easy resolution into complicated stuff.

I agree with you , the response the show is only 3 weeks away so there is nothing we can do is kind of weak. Also the show is sold out so Avn isnt going to pay attention. Now if it wasnt sold out then I think you would have their attention. Also big fish did you just wake up from your slumber to realize the deal its been like that for how many months.After they have everyones money at that point your bargaining power is weak.Also they know no matter how much everyone bitches you will all be at everyshow they have. People in this industry have a need to be seen and internext feeds that need. Like in reality Ron what is there for your salesman to sell ? Most in the biz already have ccbill is their primary or their secondary. Its not like there are 25 billing companies out there fighting for the biz.Its not like one of your sales people is going to go up to one of the big fish fish and go hi Im from CCbill and the big fish would say ccbill whats that?

EroticySteve 07-15-2005 08:05 AM

This thread is non-stop. Poker will be good for sure.

RawAlex 07-15-2005 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy
playas aint bitchin about bringing one girl.

i also wonder about haters too...

are you in the game?
are you going to internext?
have you been to any tradeshows?
would you like or do you think its REASONABLE to pay a thousand bucks for badges so 3 female reps can walk the floor for you?

just because a playa has money doesnt mean he should spend it foolishly ...

:pimp

Son, I have been doing this for long before you were even allowed to drink or look at dirty pictures. I have seen the playahs come and go.

If having the girls haning around makes you money, then the $300 is worth it. If they aren't making you any money, they are just there to make you look good, then how good do you want to look?

I understand the need for eye candy at a show, but I can't figure out a player who can afford to pay a flight, a hotel, and to feed all these girls for 4 or 5 days, but $300 per girl is gonna break the deal. Seems to me that isn't the big expense of the trip, now is it?

RogerV 07-15-2005 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
Son, I have been doing this for long before you were even allowed to drink or look at dirty pictures. I have seen the playahs come and go.

If having the girls haning around makes you money, then the $300 is worth it. If they aren't making you any money, they are just there to make you look good, then how good do you want to look?

I understand the need for eye candy at a show, but I can't figure out a player who can afford to pay a flight, a hotel, and to feed all these girls for 4 or 5 days, but $300 per girl is gonna break the deal. Seems to me that isn't the big expense of the trip, now is it?

Let me clarify something I'm paying for 4 girls to make me look good like I Always do. but I have alot of girlfriends who live in Miami and I don't think paying $300 for them to hang at the pool is fair. Plain and simple

Aly and I go way back and I've also seen Playa's come and go over the past 9 years whats your point? trying to punk me??

You talk big for a playa

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-15-2005 10:44 AM

Folks with cash did not get alot of cash by spending it without regard and thought.

Even penny's count.


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