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Ninja Scripts 09-02-2005 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
You are all a bunch of ignorant fucks. Now I see how Hitler was able to do what he did.

It's called propaganda people, and the oil companies are doing a great job.

Last night on O'Reilly he was talking to a member of the Kato institute. O'Reilly said for the good of the country the oil companies should drop their PROFIT margins by 20%. That's PROFIT not the cost. He was told that it couldn't be done because it would hurt the oil companies. Now these are the companies that are having obscene profits, and they can't drop their profit margins by 20%?

They are fucking this country, and we all know it. Our economy and the worlds economy can't take it. Even fucking OPEC knows it. They ain't gonna sell much gas when there is a worldwide depression.

Did you listen to anythign the guy he was interviewing said? Keeping prices low right now would guarantee a shortage. This is a fact and O'Reilly is a retard about this and pretty much everything else.

wedouglas 09-02-2005 07:37 AM

Im in southeastern Michigan. $3.35 for premium at Marathon.

pr0 09-02-2005 07:41 AM

2.89 here

Rex 09-02-2005 07:42 AM

They were at 3.50 yesterday on my drive home...fuckers

drama 09-02-2005 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth
this is what my good friend neal boortz had to say about it and guess what
He is DEAD right

When you hear the words "price gouging" uttered by somebody .. even if that somebody is the governor of a state .. you know that you are listening to someone who (a) has a limited understanding of the basics of free-market economics; or, (b) is a politician more interested in pandering to ignorance than in leading.

That describes Atlanta yesterday.

Yesterday afternoon I drove to the WSB studios to participate in a joint AM 750 WSB / Channel 2 fund raising venture. On the way I saw that cars were lined up on the streets waiting to get into gas stations. The panic was on. Word had spread throughout the metro area that there was going to be a fuel shortage. Everyone, it seems, was filling up everything they had that could hold gasoline.

The panic, of course, created that shortage that previously was only a rumor. Even when there is no shortage of gasoline, there is simply no possible way to keep the underground tanks at every service station full if everyone is going to try to fill up their car at the same time. There simply aren't enough tanker trucks on the road to do the job. When rumors create a panic and creates a demand that the marketplace can't meet, it's time for the mechanisms of the free market to take control.

There has never in the history of the world been a better way to allocate scarce resources than to simply allow the law of supply and demand to take its course. Whenever government steps in to interfere, shortages occur and chaos often reigns.

The way to handle the gas panic in Atlanta yesterday was to RAISE PRICES! It's not price gouging. It's the law of supply and demand at work. Today there will be people in Atlanta who might not be able to drive their own cars to work, to doctors appointments or to buy groceries who would otherwise be driving if gas stations throughout Atlanta had raised their prices in response to the increased demand and limited supply.

Let me explain:

As the panic spread, and the demand increased, the prices at the pumps were pretty much unchanged ... for a while. As a result people decided to top off every vehicle they owned .. .no matter how much gas remained in the tank. The predictable result was that stations soon ran out of fuel. The word spread, and more people hit the streets to fill more cars. Today people in Atlanta will find that many gas stations still have their pumps shut down. Throughout the night tanker trucks were busy trying to replenish the stations, but there simply aren't enough trucks to meet this demand. Another supply problem.

So .. what was the solution? For the politician the solution may have been to pander to the electorate by talking about imposing fines on gas station operators who "overcharge", whatever that means, consumers. The real solution, though, was to increase prices in response to the increased demand and limited supply. This is what the uninformed and the political class call "price gouging."

Let's take a look at what would have happened if the free market had been allowed to do what it has always done so well -- when left alone -- and that is to allocate scarce resources. If gas prices had risen strongly yesterday (as they in fact did at some stations) then people would have given a second thought to filling every car they own. If the prices were, say, $5 a gallon, consumers would have purchased what they thought they might need to get through the next few days, and would have started making plans for conservation., Certainly few people would have been shuttling back and forth filling up every car they owned. As a result, the gas that one consumer didn't pump into his second or third car because the price was so high would have been gas available for someone to put into the car they actually needed to get to work.
Keeping the prices artificially low encouraged over-consumption and hoarding.

The truth is that when Georgia's Governor Sonny Perdue signed an executive order late yesterday afternoon threatening heavy fines on gasoline retailers who, as he said "overcharge" customers, he became a part of the problem and not a part of the solution. His statements were a signal to the people that there was a crisis in gasoline supplies, and to get out there and fill up everything they could while he held the prices down. Today Atlanta drivers will experience the results of the governor's actions.

This whole price gouging nonsense was also front and center last year when four hurricanes ripped through Florida. Entrepreneurs abandoned plans to rush needed supplies and commodities to South Florida when politicians started pandering to voters with dire threats of fines and even jail time for evil price gougers. The marketplace simply wasn't allowed to respond properly to increased demand .. and shortages resulted.

Here's an example I used yesterday. Hotel and motel rooms. In the aftermath of the hurricane -- especially Hurricane Charley -- there was a huge demand for rooms for displaced hurricane victims. So, here come the politicians with their laws restricting what motel owners could charge for rooms. The result was that fewer families could find a place to stay. Here's why: A family of four arrives seeks shelter at a hotel where rooms rates are being held down by anti-price gouging laws. They decide to get two rooms when one would do. One room for mom and dad, the adjoining room for the children. Along comes the second family of four, only to find that there are no more rooms. Sorry, out of luck. Now, if prices had been allowed to rise with the demand that first family might have decided to make do with one room instead of two. That would have left a room available for the next family to arrive.

This is a problem borne of economic ignorance. Our hideous government schools do a pathetic job of teaching the very basics of free market economics. The ignorance of the public is then exploited by politicians for votes and support.

And thus it will ever be.


He is right to an extent. If things were left to go unchecked then chances are that hotel room would be too expensive for either family to afford. Now if the clerk had some commonsense then they would rent only one room out to the family in a time like this and i would expect the fmaily not to be so ignorant to waste a room like that.

If left unchecked who's to say the gas stations wouldnt raise their prices to that $5/gallon mark on their own. A hotel room which normally costs 75 might cost $300.

They do need to fix prices in these situtations so that everyone and not only the rich can have access to supplies to live off of.

spanky part 2 09-02-2005 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts
Did you listen to anythign the guy he was interviewing said? Keeping prices low right now would guarantee a shortage. This is a fact and O'Reilly is a retard about this and pretty much everything else.

I hate O'Reilly myself, but what he said was so right on. There is no way that a 10% drop in production would cause shortages. They have been playing this angle for years. If there was such a shortage of refineries why have they shut down several in the last 5 years?

The oil interests are playing us, and you are just one of the flock. Tell me something. Why did the oil companies with the largest profit in our history, just get a huge tax break with the energy bill?

Same reason that our government is letting then fuck us now.

Ninja Scripts 09-02-2005 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
I hate O'Reilly myself, but what he said was so right on. There is no way that a 10% drop in production would cause shortages. They have been playing this angle for years. If there was such a shortage of refineries why have they shut down several in the last 5 years?

The oil interests are playing us, and you are just one of the flock. Tell me something. Why did the oil companies with the largest profit in our history, just get a huge tax break with the energy bill?

Same reason that our government is letting then fuck us now.

Their profit margin is pointless. We are using very close to every drop of gas that is refined now and 10% of the nations production is HUGE. It's not small. This is on top of the lost oil production from the area and will continue for a long time. Charge 2 cents or $20.00 a gallon and you still can't use more gas than is being produced.

$tandaman 09-02-2005 08:05 AM

So even if you do fill up, what are you gonna save? $20? are you gonna stop filling up for life?

~Ray 09-02-2005 08:07 AM

I filled up a week ago and still have 3/4 tank. What high prices?

Gnus 09-02-2005 08:12 AM

$2.79 a gallon here this morning

Gary

CE_BigB 09-02-2005 08:16 AM

50 gas gouged GFYrs

I hope some of you guys are NOW taking my idea seriously...

NO GAS PURCHASES FOR FOUR DAYS!!

especially if you can!! Now .. it's an American thing to do!!
Dont buy it if you dont need it!!!

Big B
CECash.com

GweedZilla 09-02-2005 06:29 PM

Sittin about $3.15 here in Southern WI, glad I filled up all 3 of our vehicles on Monday.


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