CDSmith is another american with his perspectives saying "we won war" "i have no respect for other countires" "god bless america" "we are number one" "we did more for u then u did for us" and i can go on forever.........

The truth is that you don't know TRUE reality man. Don't get me wrong, i like America but i HATE people like yourself with such a attitude. Yes Russia got downside right now, people leave country because they're human and looking for a better life. Don't tell me if it was vise versa where Russia would have worlds best economy and USA wasn't doing so great you wouldn't want to move and live a better life.

But as they say, things can not go on forever, there will always be a change one day.

XXXCAM your an idiot,

1. you still belive that our educational system is somehow controled by the US goverment and we only learn what our government wants us to know - the funny thing is it was just the opposite, huh?

2. Our constitution is what 213 years old, your current goverment is about 10 years old.

3. I agree that the US military is very good at killing other people, perhaps not something to be proud of however, our two little nukes didn't kill millions, they did kill a few hundred K directly/indirectly.

All of our countries have "dirty little secrets" and things not to be proud of, however as we have had a very open society for a couple hundred years and we display our dirtly laundry for everyone to see.

Have fun standing in line for food this week.

Oh Yeah budy, cdsmith is from CANADA not the USA - idiot.

These statistics were compired by a Brit, so im sure our Russian Friends will disagree with them.
(see below)

To my Russian friends, I do business with two Russian companies, I like Russia, i spent 2 weeks there in 96 on vacation. I collect documents, and coins of Russia, have for years. You are a good strong people, your kicked ass in ww2 and a HUGE cost to you, that cost still scars your society. Hitler was stupid to turn on the USSR - With that said your Goverment 1930's - 1970's consisted of oppressive corrupt murder's that stood upon the graves of their own people in order to Prop up their government. You love your country, you should. But I remained stunned that anyone here can compare anything the USA governemnt has ever done to Stalin's USSR. For gods sake he "disapeared" every third man and boy in your country, that was before the Germans. Your government, and to a certain degree your people still do not
"really" understand the people of the WEST, just like we do not undersand the people of Russia. That is nothing new, this has gone on for hundreds of years, perhaps we will never agree or see eye to eye, and if that is the case, that is too bad.

Some lend lease tidbits...

Lend-Lease Vehicles on the Eastern Front
During the early days of Operation Barbarossa, when the Red Army was losing a hundred or more of its obsolete battle tanks and inadequately armed and armored "tankettes" each day to the advancing Germans, Stalin approached the Allies with urgent requests for all manner of military and humanitarian aid. At the time, only Britain was able to respond (and it had its own problems in the Western Desert) and deliveries of aircraft, vehicles, and strategic materials were underway by September, 1941. By June 30, 1942, the expiry date of the first Aid Protocol hammered out between the new Allies, over 3,000 aircraft, 2,000 tanks, 30,000 other vehicles, and hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel, oil, and other necessities had made their way to Russia.
By the end of the war, the Allies had sent over 14,000 aircraft and 12,000 battle tanks. This represented about 10% of the total Russian production during the war in either category. The Allies also sent at least 425,000 trucks, halftracks, and other assorted motor vehicles - more than the Germans produced during the war and far more than the Soviets were able to produce for themselves. Certainly one of the most important ingredients in the eventual Soviet victory was the 6x6 Studebaker truck.
Historically, the Russians were glad to get these tanks, any tanks in fact, when they needed them most. However, you will see that much of what the Allies sent was simply inadequate to deal with later-war German designs like the Panzer IVh and Panther. Many Western tanks also suffered from having narrow tracks that did not allow them to maneuver well in snow, or had gasoline engines that ignited readily when hit (details that would undoubtedly be important to the poor guys who got stuck with such pigs of machines, but are too small to allow for in a relatively simple game such as ST).
British Tanks
Matilda Mk II Infantry Tank - These, along with Valentines, were the first tanks to be sent to the USSR. Several hundred were sent in late 1941 and 1942: some Matildas arrived in time to participate in the winter battles before Moscow. Most Matildas kept the 2-pounder (40mm) gun (that fired only armor-piercing ammunition, hence the low AP value) but some were converted to carry the same 76mm gun found on the T-34c (AT value 22, AP value 18).
Valentine - two major Marks of this tank were produced, the Mark 3 with a 2-pounder gun, and (later in 1942-3) the Mark 9 with a 6-pounder (approximately equal to a 57mm). Almost 2,700 Valentines were sent to Russia in 1941-3.
Churchill - Culmination of the "Infantry Tank" concept in British design (strong armor, pitiful gun and speed). About 250 of the Mark 3 and Mark 4 versions, carrying a 2-pounder and 6-pounder gun respectively, were sent in 1942-3. Most of them went to the 49th Guards Heavy Tank Regiment, which fought at Kursk in the summer of 1943.
American Vehicles
M5A1 Stuart - Over 1,200 of these were sent in 1942-3. This fast tank carried an improved 37mm gun. It did well in the Western Desert but was too lightly armored to be of much use against the heavier German tanks it met in southern Russia.
M3 Grant - About 1,300 of these were sent, with small numbers arriving early enough in 1942 to meet the German offensive into the Caucasus. This tank carried two guns: a 37mm gun in a turret and a 75mm gun in a sponson on the right side of the hull. Therefore, there are two AT and AP values given: the higher (the 75mm gun) is used when the target is in "12 to 3" field of fire (imagining the bow of the tank to be 12 o' clock), and the lower (the 37mm gun) when the target is anywhere else. Guns may be fired at different targets in the same Phase.
M4A2 and M4A4 Sherman - About 2,000 of the M4A2 model were shipped, beginning at the end of 1943. These carried the standard "short" 75mm gun. Beginning in early 1944, M4A4 Shermans with the higher-velocity, more accurate 76mm gun began to arrive, and a total of about 2,100 had been sent by the end of the year. The 3rd Guards Tank Corps was equipped mainly with Shermans.
Halftracks - Thousands of these were sent to Russia, beginning in the summer of 1943. By the end of the war, the Russians were also producing modest numbers of an armored truck called the ZIS-33. Treat these units exactly as German halftracks but bear in mind that they were less frequently available.
Early-War Soviet Tanks
T-26b and T-26c - Thousands of these were built before the war as "fast tanks", and formed the majority of Russian stocks at the beginning of the war. They served well in the Spanish Civil War but were chewed up by the heavier German tanks. The T-26b had a 37mm gun and the T-26c had a 45mm gun.
T-60 - This light tank entered production in November 1941 and about 6,000 were built. It was modestly armed with a 20mm gun and was specially adapted for mobility on snow.
T-70 - The T-70 began production in early 1942 and over 8,000 were made. It carried a 45mm gun but many different versions were produced (e.g. flamethrower tank, artillery tractor, command vehicle, etc.). The T-70 chassis was also used for the SU-76 SP gun.

- peace-

You Know you can shoot your mouth off here all day long,but the change you are looking for , is not going to get handed to you on a silver platter! You have to go out and work for it. BTW You and all your fellow Russians posting here, have a very good command of the English language. Where did you all learn it in KGB school??

Horndog did you Forget about them ripping off the B29 Bomber design? There was an excelllent program about it on the History Channel a few days ago, including actual footage of the plane (1of 3)and how they tore it apart, and copied it piece by piece!Along with interviews with current Russian officials, confirming the details!!

And yet, here you are talking to me. Duh.

I wasn't justifying anything. My point, which you missed entirely because you have that shitty Russian attitude (I'm thankful that not all Russians think as you do). My point was that the nukes were used to STOP further killing. At the time, not that much was known about the nukes, and by letting the world see what power they held and the dammage they could inflict, maybe it served in the long run to save a lot more lives by sending the message that A) Countries enjoying freedom are not going to put up with shit from facsists, communists, tao-ists or any other "ists" that want to take away our freedom, and B) that using nukes is probably not a good idea.

And incog, stop crying. I respect your right to spew out your slanted dumbass drivel, how come you can't be my Komrad and respect mine?

GO CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah i know, but there is a long list of "ripped off/stolen" weapons including the HBomb, I dont blame them they had to compete, and it is easier to copy than to re invent the wheel so to speak.

I actually have given up, I said something earlier on here that was totally wrong just to test our Russian Friends, they compeletly missed it, even still after another american copied what I said and said it again. Just shows they have no idea what they are talking about- I should have been called on it - but they have no clue - as i thought.

Horndog did you Forget about them ripping off the B29 Bomber design? There was an excelllent program about it on the History Channel a few days ago, including actual footage of the plane (1of 3)and how they tore it apart, and copied it piece by piece!Along with interviews with current Russian officials, confirming the details!!

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I also saw on TV how americans didn't land on the moon and the landing was fake..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Last post.

The Russian guys on here said "Horndog" doesn't know history - that his Master's degree and books (small books mind you) didnt mean anything. So Horndog thought he would say something that anyone who knew some "history" of the USSR military would KNOW was wrong.

I said that the MIG1 was copied from the P39.

Well of course it wasnt,

Here is a nice story in Russian for my friends.

http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/1/MiG-1.html

I guess you never should do battle with the unarmed.

Re the p39 air cobra - We did send the russians many to use against the Germans, and they used them to good effect, even tho the army air corps didnt like them much, one of the biggest problems was that the powerplant was under/behind the cockpit, the drive shaft actually went between the legs of the pilot. Ouch!

http://www.fotoimages.com/aircraft/ManfSpecs/bc_p39.htm

Ok now that you've shown just how big of a fucking idiot you are I think this thread can rest... At least Im satisfied that you are just a moron with some kind of anti american stick up your ass who is willing to believe anything.

xxxcam - get a good telescope, you guys have a few, look up at the moon, and look at our flag and foot prints for yourself.

You guys did mange to crash land some poor dog on the moon i think.

PersonasNonGrata your babbling.
LOL:Hollering

Its not worth it, im off to read some US Government Propaganda

The Washington Post

ok you two morons aka PersonasNonGrata and horndog.....

I'm not anti-american, in previous posts i stated they i LIKE AMERICA and have no problems with it, but what i dont like IS RETARDS like you...

russian ....... should've won... fuck they played so bad!! againest the us..... they played like some pussys, but on the other hand the russian team they play on NHL, its' like russians are from the U.S.... .... it's like U.S vs U.S lol


xxxcams....... WORD UP!

Russians are the best,,,,, and they are goign to be the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .. like they say don't mess with the best....

Okay I insulted you, you insult me. Of course you like the USA who else you going to sell porn to ;-)

Course if im a retard your barley breathing, look at some of your posts :-)

If You Like them So Much Asshole , why didnt you stay in Russia! :321GFY Youre probably one of the illegals living off the Canadian Welfare system:thefinger

Said the kaptain of top Russian debating squad.

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JFK I learnt my english while I travelled and lived abroad.
That's no big secret. I've seen half of Europe , lived for 1 year in scandinavia and lived in Spain for quite some time too.

No dont start it - I didnt travel out of Russia cause it's so fucking bad here with all bears, VODKA and commies.

I did it mostly for fun and because I had to.

And that is one of the reasons why I love my country so much. Because I have seen other countries.
That easy. No disrespect though, havent been to US by the way.
I mean simply that my own country is good enough for me.
And it's not about where You are, but who You are.

Also Horndog, cant You get it? What possible respect IN HISTORY can be here for a porn webmaster who's actually a historian? Dont get me wrong and please no hard feelings, but You're either doing porn or history. Right now You're doing porn. For me it means You were a bad historian.
(or very unlucky with women :) )

Also no Russians will ever dispute over DETAILS of history. Damn it - we see DIFFERENT details each and every time some idiot tries to write a history book.

There was a war. That's known. Russians won it - that's known.
Hitler tried to fuck everyone and we basicly (ok our grandfathers) saved this half of the world and that is also known. America basicly stayed out of trouble. America basicly planted 2 nuclears and killed as You mention 200+ K people and basicly made a movie Pearl Harbour later which is a fucking joke. Now that's history.

Who stole what weapon, who sent what crap - is bullshit.
Meaningless and unimportant.
Honestly, are You fucking out of Your mind or what? We're discussing human lives here. Millions of our country's lost lives protecting peace as we could, 200K+ japs You killed.

And 50 years later You come with what ? A porn historian mentioning some stolen weapon for fucks sake?


You say You're living in a FREE country? Is that really so? How much is everyone of You free? With all loans, debts, mortages?
Most of You cant even think of moving anywhere cause You got Yourself tired if not chained till You pay out.

How much is anyone of You free sitting here , 24 hours a day, by Go Fuck Yourself.com ?

It's not true CD.
Now we can go wherever we want to go, nobody controls it anymore. The only question to go to Canada for example is to get canadian visa to enter your country.

I visited about 20 countries in 5 last years.

Just had another "strong thought".
Really how free are You?

How many americans actually leave USA? Forever?
Immigrate?

I think close to none.
And I mean we got a secret here obviously then, I mean, either You're living in the best country out there where EVERYONE is happy , which is bullshit , either You dont have enough money for tickets which I think is also bullshit or something wrong with Your freedom obviously otherwise You'd migrate like anybody else out there.

Unless we remember something.
At communist times NO ONE was going out of russia. And 80% of them probably didnt want to because they were absolutely sure that the rest of the world is a WRONG PLACE with bad people.
:)
That's what brain whashing does.


I hope You get the point FREE guys.