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Newbies -> Watchout! Franck is using an old trick. He wants you to stop buying partner accounts, because he will buy them instead. Think about it. :pimp

what shit do i make up ?
that you are a gallery submitting loser whining that someone is going to take your part of traffic ? :1orglaugh

there's no money in submitting - stop it, and they will drop the paid submit passes ;)

what I'm finding, is a lot of the BIG tgp's have pretty crappy conversion ratios..
you get a lot of traffic, but most of it are bookmarkers, etc, who know to go there just for the free porn....

unfortunately, the submit market is flooded.. might as well make money off of it...

Even if i was a full time gallery submitter and making money with it i wouldnt see the problem. But just for you so you can stfu i just checked my log. I submitted a whole 5 galleries this month. Now please shut your hole. And who said im in this business since 2001? Im in this business longer than that and why would i lie about that.

Get your fact straight AND THEN attack me. Untill then stfu moron.

maybe you dont remember ,but not too long ago you were here claiming MANY times that you dont submit galleries, except the occasional gallery to thehun


last time I checked he is not selling partner accounts other than his usual paid listing ,so you are good :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

if that would be the case ? why would you care so much about this "whole partner account hype" then ?just looking out for your fellow webmasters ?

yup thats Franck , always caring about others :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Read above shitface and stfu. I am not a gallery submitter and i will never be. Yes i sometimes submit galleries. Sometimes 10 a month sometimes 1 a month sometimes 3 a day. But i do many things you dont need to know about. Galleries is one of the things i dont mind talking about on gfy. I know this is really hard to understand for your peanut sized brain but try to read it over and over again till you understand it.

ok, so if you submit 5 galleries per month (very little money in that), why the fuck do you care what other people do in gallery business ?

Not trying to bust your balls Franck, but you spent 750.00 on PA's and only submitted 5 galleries? Seems like a bit of a waste.

But best of luck with free submissions, there are still alot of good ones out there is the PA's are not working out.

Make up your mind already :1orglaugh

good job

lol

exactely

Frank is so caught up in his bullshit, it's hilarious :1orglaugh

Absolutely. I make a profit on all my paid accounts, but not usually as big as the example I gave.

Interestingly enough, before the site I'm talking about had paid partner accounts, I never used to get listed at all. :2 cents:

Ofcourse right after i bought those i submitted more. But after 2 or 3 weeks i noticed that i simply was wasting time and energy. The few sites that listed me sent a ridiculous low amount of traffic.

Point me out where im caught up in any bullshit? The only people who bullshit in this thread are you and ray which wouldnt surprise me if its the same person so you are since equally retarded, always show up at the same time in my threads and both have a hardon for me.

Pathetic. No really.

Im done with you and ray. I wonder why i already spent time on you 2 lowlifes with your made up facts.

If you don't mind sharing info, hit me up on ICQ 253889540. There's a partner account on my TGP in it for you if you make teen/babe galleries.

K. just curious did you contact the paid submission broker to ask where the fuck the traffic they advertised was? Just curious to the type of answer they would have give. Was your ctr in the shitter or just very little traffic to the gallery?

I don't see how this thread is going to change anything, I bet we all leave here today with the same outcome... same sites doing the same thing.

Interestingly enough I am walking away with 3 cool links to check out and a sig spot. Looks like I win.

because you're a troll :1orglaugh

not only your sig is uber gay - it is essentially unreadable

The problem is the quality control and the quanity of stuff going up on these sites. It's great handing over some money and getting listed, but when Guy A does it on 25 sites and Guy B does it on 25 sites and so on, you lose the originality of the free site, because you have the same crap as everyone else on your site. Sure it's great to make some killer money for a year, but what happens to your site after that? Productivity Drops, Sales Drop and you are the same as everyone else.

They have done case studies on similar situations, it just takes a bit before the fallout happens.

Go to any major city and in the downtown core you will see Those Mini stores that sell Cheap Electronics and purses and general garbage, usally "Panasoonic" or "gucccccci"..

When the first 4-5 stores opened they were banking, then everyone copied them, now you see 50 stores all with the SAME SHIT (same supplier) no originality and lower sales, and guess what is happening now? you start seeing them shutdown, where are your loyal customers? Best Buy, and they wont return because your brand is cheapened and the quality of the crap you have is the same as everyone elses, Can you start over? Not as an electronic store.

I think that Franck is jealous.
Think about it all these useless threads about the same thing..........why bother? Unless he wishes he had thought of it first!

If you really have a problem with paid partner accounts, just don't buy any.

The idea of partner accounts and buying them has been around forever, but the convenience of being able to buy them all in one place, that is where the great idea came from.

Good Work DH.

I like my uber gay unreadable sig.

Oh looksie! \/ There it is again... It just keeps getting better.

I take my comment back in my first post then. Did that look like jealousy? Fuck off then, i gave you guys a compliment and this is what i get in return. Bitch.

Exactly, the sites I make the most money from typically don't have mega-huge traffic and always are extremely selective about what gets listed. Consequently, the traffic converts very well. You simply can't expect results like that from a TGP whose first concern whether to list your galleries is "has he paid $XX this month".

A few of those types of sites help add to the bottom line a bit, but most do not. If you have good traffic and you're not concerned about a gallery builder helping to build your site with you, why on earth would you sell the traffic if it was good quality when you can use FHG's with far less hassle?

Huh? You still have to go to the individual sites to access the submit page anyway, how is putting the buy links on one page adding convenience for the customers?

SP adds a service benefit to TGP owners, for gallery submitters there is no difference between buying them direct or going through SP, except for the fact that you end up having to deal with a 3rd party with SP.

Not trying to knock SP, I buy through them myself, but their service benefits TGP owners, not the people buying the passes.

I will have to look at it more, I figured you talk to one of the guys and tell them you want 15 submit passes for these 15 sites and you get emailed the logins/passes. Saves you having to approach each guy and 15 different payments, but again i might be 100% wrong with how it works.

and yeah ofcourse you still would need to submit yourself.

Either way it seems to be working, so something is right.

Im selling partner accounts at a 300 uniques a day site, hit me up. $500 monthly and no guaranteed listings. Thanks.

This is just the inevitable result of the evolution of the market.

It's no different than search engines. At first search engines needed content, TONS of content....you could submit to a search engine and get thousands of hits the next day, because the SE's were trying to build their brand and a loyal base of bookmarkers.

Now that has evolved. The SE's for the most part could care less if they ever find your site, there are probably dozens if not thousands of sites just like yours out there, they have enough content thank you.
Now there's paid inclusion, paid placement, etc etc.

Everyone griped and bitched and moaned when that happened too.....but traffic is a commodity and like any other commodity it has a value, so if you want it you have to pay for it.

TGP traffic is no different.
There was a time when TGP owners needed your content in order to build and sustain their traffic base.
Now with free hosted galleries, free content from sponsors, content blowout deals, and bandwidth that can be had for under $20/meg....they don't need your content.
The traffic belongs to the TGP owners and to think that you're somehow "entitled" to free traffic just because you built a page with some pictures on it is absurd.

Very true. But there is no reason to applaude it like many people here do. Its bad for us. If something is bad for you you dont say "cool idea!".

Thats what bugs me. People dont think about it. They just say cool.

Well if you're referring to the service that allows you to fill out one form and it applies for partner accounts at a shitload of TGP's for you then I think that is a "cool idea"

Ditto with GTS's service that allows people to buy a bunch of submit passes from one place....one bill to pay and one contact person to deal with if you have issues.

The way I look at the partner account thing in general is this.....it's really no different than when I started back in late 2000.
Back then there was free traffic everywhere, but you had to pay for content ($20 per set at least) and pay for bandwidth ($3 per gig at least)
Now you can get the content and bandwidth for free from pretty much any sponsor, you just have to pay for the traffic. So at the end of the day the net profit is the same or probably more.

Profit does indeed keep going up.

Weren't you the one posting that the gallery days are almost over?

list the duds

Hey Franck, I spoke with Sarah after she posted this and told her that you did actually compliment us (apparently she didn't read the origional thread deeply enough). So I apologize for her comments, she's had a bit of a rough day today.

If you don't like paid partner accounts and think they are not worth the money that is your own business. Obviously I do think they are worth the money or I would not be putting my name on them or selling them.

However you did just called my wife a bitch, I would like you to apologize for that.

DH

Thanks Pipe, actually Ray and Johnny from Submitpasses deserve most of the credit for the idea not me. :)

DH

That is not helpful by any stretch of the imagination... for one thing, you don't get 'one bill', you get separate charges on MVC or you make separate payments via epassporte, the same as you would do if you were sending money to each site owner individually.

And as for 'one contact person', your contact person is not anyone who is running the TGP directly or actively participating in it in any way. They can't make any decisions regarding your galleries, all they end up doing is relaying messages back and forth between you and the person you need to communicate with. I can see why TGP owners would appreciate having a contact person like that so they don't have to answer replies directly, however it makes every communication much more difficult for the gallery submitters; and for that matter, it's really a shitty thing to do, defer responses to a third party, when you're accepting payment from people that contribute galleries to your site. At least some of them do still leave the channels of communication open though.

Im sorry. And i also didnt know she was your wife.

fully agree with this.

^^ this comment is made too much and it doesnt make sense at all. Think before posting this AGAIN

blah, at the end of the day paid passes are better for the tgp owner because good or bad conversions, they don't lose.

Hi Amateurflix, I always like to hear criticism good or bad. There is little we can do about the seperate charges with MVC unfortunately but you should not be paying seperate payments on Epassporte? If you buy more than one partner account you should pay only one amount?

I will double check with Ray in the morning and see if that is the case as I don't deal with the day to day operations and accounting of Submitpasses.

Regards,
DH

Yes I was referring to gallery submitters and the days of "free traffic"

Submitters are as much to blame for the current situation as anyone else...spamming out 10 galleries a day with russian submitter when the TGP rules clearly state one gallery per day.
Even with the influx of new webmasters over the past couple of years I bet if everyone was "really" following the rules that there wouldn't be such a glut of submissions that TGP's could charge people for the right to submit and have a gallery reviewed.
Add to that all the cheaters/redirects and other bullshit that shortsighted people have done with galleries and alot of TGP's are charging something nominal like $5 a month just so they'll have your personal info to keep you from submitting again if you burn them the first time.

While free hosted galleries, tons of new free sponsor content and bannerless free domain hosting have contributed to the current situation, I still feel the single biggest factor that brought us to where we are today is gallery submitters themselves. They dug their own graves (which was the title of the thread you're referring to)

I saw this coming a couple of years ago and started shifting my business model then....we make our living solely from paid listings these days and it's alot easier that way.

Hello,

I think I've got everything there on MVC atm anyway, but if I had used epassporte for my purchases how would they have been all on one bill since I purchased them all on different days of the month? Do you guys pro-rate the charges or something like that? It's really not much of a concern either way, using epassporte takes only a few seconds.

My point about the communication issue is something I suppose SP can't really do much about, I get the feeling your main selling point to the TGP's is separating them from dealing with the gallery submitters directly, but this really sucks for those of us who are paying hundreds of dollars every month and need to ask some occasional question, or run into a situation such as I did, with a sponsor host unknowingly redirecting traffic - and getting blacklisted without a chance of chatting with the site owner about it. Had I been able to explain my situation I have every confidence that I would have been able to get listed at the site again, instead I'm branded as just another cheater... which kinda fucks up the chance for other future dealings with the webmaster for traffic trades and such.