50....... :ugone2far

If that's true it's obviously a different story.

You nailed it!

Checking out the google cache, it is clear that the files were being traded in interesting manners. First off, all the stories were zip files, which for text is a HUGE waste of time and effort based on current bandwidth (typical wank stories run 10-20k, big end being about 100k). It makes me wonder what else might have been in those zip files (like images to support the stories?).

It is also clear that their site was very dependant on the chat room areas and file swapping. It leaves little doubt the site was potentially a conduit for swapping of pedo material.

The whole story isn't there, and Xbiz is VERY sloppy to print only the site owner's version of the facts without anything to back them up. Giving a pedo support airtime is a true blemish on Xbiz otherwise decent reputation.

Alex

you mean no more horse porn stories :( ?

as for the other much nastier storied on that site, they are sick indeed - but it would be nicer if they focused on killing off the pictures and videos of REAL PEOPLE being abused before concentrating on text.

Wrong? of course. Illegal? no. Not in a country that has free speech. Obviously the USA does not fall in that category.

Would I like to punch out anyone who writes or reads this shit? Yes. Should the FBI be regulating what we can and can not say and write? No.

I'm against pedos as much as the next guy, but shouldn't we be arresting the pedos who commit crimes? God knows we see a new kid raped and murdered everyday by a convicted sex offender.

Mmmm... books and text have been prosecuted for years Soul. If the material is judged to be "obscene" (and who knows what that means - a jury on the verdict day).

Publishing houses don't just print any old shit that comes their way - if it comes from a writer of merit and possibly contains some literary merit, they may. But can't see Penguin publishing "My Seductive Daughter" or "The Whores Daughter" on Rosie's site?? :1orglaugh They would expect a court case same as is on the table now.

BTW.. I'm not defending the FBI in any way - they are paid to do what they are told. Who knows, but suspect there is a lot more to this saga and its not just about some possibly naive webmistress publishing "stories" with pedo, besitality and incest content. She doing it as a labor of love and to educate the masses? Check the motivation.

You know, it's easy for everyone to sit and discuss this and blame this one or that one, but no one here knows the specific reasons the FBI took the computers or shut the site, other than the word of the site operator.

Until we can see the court documents and see what they are using to charge her with obscenity, it's all speculation.

Now we're being told they have "file trading" which could be everything from stories to videos.

So yes, it appears there is much more to this story than we're being told.

people have to take a deep breath and understand whats going on here

when you are the fbi or local police and you investigate pedos and take their computers or child killers and you take their computers and after a while you start seeing a pattern that many go to the same sites feturing sick fuckin underage stories or sites that feature girls that look underage it wont be long before these sites have problems.

a friend of mine is now having serious problems and he runs a teen network i wont give out details right now.

its not a good time for many

I couldnt hold back one more post hehehe

I could have sworn many of the webmasters around here stood up for, attending conferences with, listened too... Lawrence Walters.

Are you people even webmasters?

http://www.firstamendment.com/virtual_article.php3

I pasted some quotes after looking this up before i leave because i know most of you wont read the entire article.

next time you host an image of a girl with a lolipop, realize you can, ONLY because it was fought for you to be able to do so.

http://www.firstamendment.com/virtual_article.php3

maybe thats the real story behind this bust, doesnt everyone on gfy say there is 3 sides to every story? So far we only have 1

Exactly!!! :thumbsup

The FBI or any investigative org is not going to discuss their reasons at this time. I know of one case pedos were given rope for over two years while the FBI and others watched. (There was good reason and involved police forces from several countries and also suspected murdered children.)

Although exploiting children is clearly wrong, fantasizing about underage sex is not a crime, and I wonder why the FBI would take action. Isn't that what these stories are about, fantasy?

There has got to be more to this..

Mother fuckers. This country is completely fucked.

What escortbiz posted makes some sense, not saying it's right. Anyway dont worry about your freedoms, they have already been gone, it just took you time to realise it.

Gee since you know what this case is about, please inform as to the whole story, fucking idiot :1orglaugh

first i'll finish molesting you

:sleep :sleep

O' Canada

anyone come across any actual news stories or press releases regarding this case?

I agree more is going to come out on this, they wouldnt go after the written word only. Also Max and this one, I bet these are old the feds dont work fast, these have nothing to do with the porn task force .I bet they have been work ing on these for at least a year. They move slow.

I done some searching on google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22RedRoseStories.com%22&hl=en&lr=&filter =0
third one down.
pretty disgusting shit.
I hope this mother fucker rots in hell.

Do not get me wrong...
I like you. I really do. Ya seem like a great guy.

However.

This industry was never for the faint of heart nor the weak of mind.
You pay to play here and if you are not prepared for the worse you are preparing youself to fail.

Be prepaired to fight for what you think and believe in and be preparied to fight for your success the whole way. There is no other way. If it is not in you, leave now.

arrrgh. wait till they start burning books. its happened before. rofl.

politics and money. politics and money.

go look at ASSTR.ORG - that site is FULL of CP themed stories.
Hundreds of authors...

Where do they draw the line?

I thought my safe haven would be to go to mostly text content and stories sites until things are better defined... but now i'm thinking about just bailing completely.

Check the meta tag listing on whois.sc vs the current meta tags on the current page.

Using words like "incest and pedo" is issuing an invitation to the FBI to investigate.

I'm curious, also, about the "membership fees" the site operator spoke about when apologizing for not being able to issue refunds. Who was the billing processor for the site? What did membership entail?

it is in me, i just also care a lot about what my family thinks...and it's not in them lol...

oh my god. that is some fucking awful shit right there. i still believe in freedom of speech, but damn...that fucker does belong in jail just for even writing shit like that haha...

Agree! :thumbsup You act and do whatever re content, but be prepared to defend your actions with a jury. Common sense is a basic good guide - and ya don't need a lawyer for that.

Anyone in "adult" has not lived till they have been thru an obscenity allegation.


BTW.. I have done the "obscenity" defense crap and fortunately the jury were favorable. (Tho the "content" was so mild and pathetic at that time, they probably had little choice but a not guilty verdict.)

just like most of the people posted already..
im 110% against CP but freedom of speech & printed word is what makes this country FREE, or at least its supposed to.

there are (legal) loopholes to this "freedom" though. one, for example, a person writting a confession to an illegal act/felony. im sure CP is included somewhere in that loophole (at least i hope it is anyways.)

After reviewing the posts here, I'm with the DOJ and FBI on this one. I am surprised anyone would support stories that are clearly over the obscenity line.

What's the difference between writing about CP and images of CP? They are both digital files about CP and both provide visual and sexual stimulation. Words create images even though they are not images themselves. The end result is the same effect. And that is what needs to be considered by the courts.

Its the same thing as if you start saying threats about the president. The secret service would arrest you just for saying the words even if you don't follow through.

Its the same thing as if you were a terrorist with an assembled bomb ready to go and just a bunch of bomb parts and ingredients on a work bench. The Feds would arrest you in either case.

Its the same thing as if you were just writing plans for a conspiracy to kill someone and then you had someone else do the killing. You are still getting nailed for murder either way.

So I don't think words should be protected if they involve pornographic descriptions of sex with minors and especially if they are being sold on a commercial web site.

Obviously this site caters to pedos. Obviously there is more to the site than just stories since members were apparently able to trade image files and you can bet they aren't pictures of generally acceptable pornography.

I'd venture to guess many who say this cp stuff should be protected don't have their own children yet. If you did, you wouldn't be backing this sick shit up one bit. There IS a line out there. It may be murky at times. But as they've said in many cases, "You can't describe precisely with words, but you know it when you see it."

Agree KRL! :thumbsup

Even if there are no "words" - you can smell the stench at 100 paces. Being born yesterday is nada excuse.

the Miller test defines it.

Currently the U.S. Supreme court uses the "Miller test" to determine if
material is legally "obscene" and therefore NOT subject to First Amendment
protection. Interesting and insightful information on this test is available
at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

Yep I agree with you 100% It may be morally wrong to write about sex with kids, horses and what ever else they did.. However censorship of words is the downfall of a democracy.. well that is if we really were a democracy.

I agree 100% with that.

This doesn't seem like a freedom of speach issue in retrospect :pimp

X-Biz should retract that story until they have more information.

Do you also think it should be illegal to write stories and make movies that have murder and drug use in them?

How about making anything illegal in real life illegal in stories and movies?

You are living in a country where the government defends and uses torture on real children, but you want fictional stories to be illegal?

:1orglaugh

there's a BIG difference between a picture of a girl holding a lolipop and a descriptive story about some old guy forceably fucking the shit out of an 8 year old with a lolipop.

Hey man can you at least give us a little hint of what's going on, was it a paysite network.. free sites network?

There are a lot of us in the biz that could be targets, of this BS. You don't have to name names or give specifics, but this shit affects a lot of people here. We really need to know as much as possible about what's going on, so we can protect ourselves as well as possible.

Sorry Mr F. but I'm looking at this case's facts and then judging those facts based on generally acceptable levels of community standards.

Publishing pedo fantasy stories about 6 month old babies getting finger fucked is OBSCENE, is over the line, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I have no sympathy for this site. It should not be protected as free spreech. The entire premise is to cater to the fantasies of pedos at the most debased and perverted levels imaginable. When you are writing sexually perverse stories describing pornographic acts on infants, toddlers, and children you are generating the same effeect as if you were publishing pictures of such.

As I stated above. There is no difference between words and images. Words create images in your mind. Images are described by words in your mind. The end result of both is that they create visual sexual stimulation in the mind.

I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

pedo's make it pretty hard to fight to keep this right, because fighting for it makes us look bad as a whole, even though it sickens us too.. but isnt that exactly what the government wants?

There is one important difference, images of obscene behaviour are (typically) proof that it actually happened, while a mere text description is typically a product of fantasy.

However disagreeable you, me or anyone else may find it, it is only a work of fiction.

Government should be able to discern fantasy from reality. Most every other adult is capable of doing so.

So then how in your mind can movies that glorify murder not be obscene? I agree with you that stories like that are pretty freaking sick. I will also say if there are other things going on behind the scenes then it's a whole different matter.

However I don't think text alone no matter how bad it is should be censored and considered obscene. When you start banning words it's brings us ever so closer to the end of freedom of speech.

So let's say I wrote a book about becoming a suicide bomber should that mean I should be prosecuted as a terrorist, simply because it might stimulate the mind of someone that is already of that thinking?

Then you support making movies that have murder in them illegal?

Should rape in movies be illegal? What about the movie Taxi Driver?

Supporting free speech means defending speech that you find offensive. Anyone can support free speech for things they agree with.

there is no difference betweeen a story and an image? are you fucking kidding me? there is a big difference between raping a child and photographing the event to share with others and writing about raping a child.

words aren't the products of victems

Dont it just burn you balls sick people like this are protected by the same Amendments as you,i and everyone else. Yeap like it or not hate it or not thats what are great country is about.

People like you piss me off you cry free speech free speech but when another group of people who are protected under the same laws as you do something that aint to community standards people say throw them to the dogs. Is it sick writeing those storys yes, do i like them no but they are protected under the same laws as NORMAL people sadly to say.

I am not knockin you dude. I see you post and you seem like a bright guy. Just surpised by your posting

Bush will start putting people in camps soon, then they will gas us. It is a sad day when words are censored. Bin laden has won!

I highly recommend everyone read The Handmaiden's Tale by Magret Atwood - a story of a fundamentalist fascist state in America. More amazing is that she wrote it 20 years ago. The book was made into a movie of the same name starring Robert Duval.

If the ACLU doesn't come to their defense, then we will all know there was much more nefarious goings on going on...

People defending the rights of CP???

WTF??????????????

If you surveyed the American public, I'm sure at least 95% would say the FBI was right to shut down this site.