lemme get this straight, there are webmasters who actually peddle anal sex and preggo sex but think a story about a guy who likes to fuck a chicken should get a man jail time and have his rights removed.

oh man, im done with this thread, only idiots will continue this argument.

i dont want to fuck a pig, but a story about it shouldnt be illegal :1orglaugh

in one word - yes.

When you are profiting from stories about pedo sex, YES IT IS VERY FUCKING WRONG.

Sleazy, for the first time in my years of reading your posts I must say your personal catch phrase gets to be worn by you today.

anyone who truly thinks this is a 'good thing' needs to rethink their place in this industry. it matters not whether the *fictional* written word is repugnant to you personally, dragging americans to jail and/or stiffling their freedoms over the written word is abhorent, and totally contrary to the rights that americans are supposed to be able to expect..

:2 cents:

maybe everyone forgot about this...


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That always surprises me! Some webmasters clearly have nada clue re the nature of some of the material "they think" (and hope) is "legal". Probably because they have never been charged or have to stand up in court and defend their content.

Ask any attorney specializing in this area, - whether within the US or elsewhere, - they always come up with the same comments which are usually "how the net got off lightly so far" and "it's only a matter of time".

Being blind or naive to the possibility of prosecution is lalaland fantasy.

YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE HALF OF IT!

This website and its operator were a catalyst for CP and underage sex in realtime/real life. The FBI wanted the computers not because they wanted the stories, but because files of another nature were being passes around here.

Remember the Candyman bust where they hammered something like 1,700 guys who were involved in trading pictures of children, NOT posing in artwork but instead ingaging in sex with adults? THAT is what this is about. After the FBI serves the warrants on the traders of CP, XBiz will try to distance themselves from that story they printed.

It will be like when the news broadcast the lastest and greatest diet drug Phen-Phen and then took a sharp 180 degree turn and warned the public that it kills you.

Looks like the story really shouldn't be taken at face value then and xbiz really haven't done their homework before publishing that.

So you're not only fat, you're fucking stupid as shit too, I can't understand why you're single in your late 30's.

It's fucking written words moron. You can't censor books/text in any way.

Murder is wrong too, but I can fucking write about it all I want in a free country.

If there is nothing else to this story than the written stories, they should not be censored. If you don't believe in free speech for the speech you hate most, you don't believe in free speech at all.


I can't believe that people in this business are defending the FBI here. I guess that's what happens when half of the business is comprised of half retarded high school drop outs who couldn't get a job anywhere else. Anyone who defends the FBI here should have their FSC membership revoked. What the fuck do you morons think the FS stands for???

50....... :ugone2far

If that's true it's obviously a different story.

You nailed it!

Checking out the google cache, it is clear that the files were being traded in interesting manners. First off, all the stories were zip files, which for text is a HUGE waste of time and effort based on current bandwidth (typical wank stories run 10-20k, big end being about 100k). It makes me wonder what else might have been in those zip files (like images to support the stories?).

It is also clear that their site was very dependant on the chat room areas and file swapping. It leaves little doubt the site was potentially a conduit for swapping of pedo material.

The whole story isn't there, and Xbiz is VERY sloppy to print only the site owner's version of the facts without anything to back them up. Giving a pedo support airtime is a true blemish on Xbiz otherwise decent reputation.

Alex

you mean no more horse porn stories :( ?

as for the other much nastier storied on that site, they are sick indeed - but it would be nicer if they focused on killing off the pictures and videos of REAL PEOPLE being abused before concentrating on text.

Wrong? of course. Illegal? no. Not in a country that has free speech. Obviously the USA does not fall in that category.

Would I like to punch out anyone who writes or reads this shit? Yes. Should the FBI be regulating what we can and can not say and write? No.

I'm against pedos as much as the next guy, but shouldn't we be arresting the pedos who commit crimes? God knows we see a new kid raped and murdered everyday by a convicted sex offender.

Mmmm... books and text have been prosecuted for years Soul. If the material is judged to be "obscene" (and who knows what that means - a jury on the verdict day).

Publishing houses don't just print any old shit that comes their way - if it comes from a writer of merit and possibly contains some literary merit, they may. But can't see Penguin publishing "My Seductive Daughter" or "The Whores Daughter" on Rosie's site?? :1orglaugh They would expect a court case same as is on the table now.

BTW.. I'm not defending the FBI in any way - they are paid to do what they are told. Who knows, but suspect there is a lot more to this saga and its not just about some possibly naive webmistress publishing "stories" with pedo, besitality and incest content. She doing it as a labor of love and to educate the masses? Check the motivation.

You know, it's easy for everyone to sit and discuss this and blame this one or that one, but no one here knows the specific reasons the FBI took the computers or shut the site, other than the word of the site operator.

Until we can see the court documents and see what they are using to charge her with obscenity, it's all speculation.

Now we're being told they have "file trading" which could be everything from stories to videos.

So yes, it appears there is much more to this story than we're being told.

people have to take a deep breath and understand whats going on here

when you are the fbi or local police and you investigate pedos and take their computers or child killers and you take their computers and after a while you start seeing a pattern that many go to the same sites feturing sick fuckin underage stories or sites that feature girls that look underage it wont be long before these sites have problems.

a friend of mine is now having serious problems and he runs a teen network i wont give out details right now.

its not a good time for many

I couldnt hold back one more post hehehe

I could have sworn many of the webmasters around here stood up for, attending conferences with, listened too... Lawrence Walters.

Are you people even webmasters?

http://www.firstamendment.com/virtual_article.php3

I pasted some quotes after looking this up before i leave because i know most of you wont read the entire article.

next time you host an image of a girl with a lolipop, realize you can, ONLY because it was fought for you to be able to do so.

http://www.firstamendment.com/virtual_article.php3

maybe thats the real story behind this bust, doesnt everyone on gfy say there is 3 sides to every story? So far we only have 1

Exactly!!! :thumbsup

The FBI or any investigative org is not going to discuss their reasons at this time. I know of one case pedos were given rope for over two years while the FBI and others watched. (There was good reason and involved police forces from several countries and also suspected murdered children.)

Although exploiting children is clearly wrong, fantasizing about underage sex is not a crime, and I wonder why the FBI would take action. Isn't that what these stories are about, fantasy?

There has got to be more to this..

Mother fuckers. This country is completely fucked.

What escortbiz posted makes some sense, not saying it's right. Anyway dont worry about your freedoms, they have already been gone, it just took you time to realise it.

Gee since you know what this case is about, please inform as to the whole story, fucking idiot :1orglaugh

first i'll finish molesting you

:sleep :sleep

O' Canada

anyone come across any actual news stories or press releases regarding this case?

I agree more is going to come out on this, they wouldnt go after the written word only. Also Max and this one, I bet these are old the feds dont work fast, these have nothing to do with the porn task force .I bet they have been work ing on these for at least a year. They move slow.

I done some searching on google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22RedRoseStories.com%22&hl=en&lr=&filter =0
third one down.
pretty disgusting shit.
I hope this mother fucker rots in hell.

Do not get me wrong...
I like you. I really do. Ya seem like a great guy.

However.

This industry was never for the faint of heart nor the weak of mind.
You pay to play here and if you are not prepared for the worse you are preparing youself to fail.

Be prepaired to fight for what you think and believe in and be preparied to fight for your success the whole way. There is no other way. If it is not in you, leave now.

arrrgh. wait till they start burning books. its happened before. rofl.

politics and money. politics and money.

go look at ASSTR.ORG - that site is FULL of CP themed stories.
Hundreds of authors...

Where do they draw the line?

I thought my safe haven would be to go to mostly text content and stories sites until things are better defined... but now i'm thinking about just bailing completely.

Check the meta tag listing on whois.sc vs the current meta tags on the current page.

Using words like "incest and pedo" is issuing an invitation to the FBI to investigate.

I'm curious, also, about the "membership fees" the site operator spoke about when apologizing for not being able to issue refunds. Who was the billing processor for the site? What did membership entail?

it is in me, i just also care a lot about what my family thinks...and it's not in them lol...

oh my god. that is some fucking awful shit right there. i still believe in freedom of speech, but damn...that fucker does belong in jail just for even writing shit like that haha...

Agree! :thumbsup You act and do whatever re content, but be prepared to defend your actions with a jury. Common sense is a basic good guide - and ya don't need a lawyer for that.

Anyone in "adult" has not lived till they have been thru an obscenity allegation.


BTW.. I have done the "obscenity" defense crap and fortunately the jury were favorable. (Tho the "content" was so mild and pathetic at that time, they probably had little choice but a not guilty verdict.)

just like most of the people posted already..
im 110% against CP but freedom of speech & printed word is what makes this country FREE, or at least its supposed to.

there are (legal) loopholes to this "freedom" though. one, for example, a person writting a confession to an illegal act/felony. im sure CP is included somewhere in that loophole (at least i hope it is anyways.)